Staking the Land

I received this in e-mail from a reader and wanted to post it so you could evaluate it.  I’m thinking you will come to the same conclusions I did after you read it.

This was taken from a flyer distributed by a hypercharismatic church in New Jersey.  Before you read it, I’m going to give you my impression.  Witchcraft, nonsense, and … well, that pretty much sums it up.

                                                   Staking (Redeeming the Land)

1. To prepare yourself before staking, repent of all the sin in your life. Forgive everyone.
2. Forbid the retaliation of any wicked spirit against you in Jesus’ (Yahshua’s) name.
3. Set the stake in the ground. Do not drive it in yet.
4. Hold communion – impart healing, strength and health to the ground and the people.
    a. Eat half the bread – crumble the rest around the stake. Confess the sins of the land  such as murder, idolatry, witchcraft, etc. Then speak: “To the ground which has lost its strength through the curse, I break barrenness and all curses from the fall; and from people who formerly occupied the land and who currently live here. I command this land to yield strength for every Godly purpose. I declare that Jesus bore stripes, nails and thorns for the healing of  this land and its inhabitants. I pray for repentance, revival reconciliation and restoration.”
      b. Drink half the wine – pour out the rest on the stake. “In faith, I pour the wine of the covenant table on the ground as a statement and a witness that the blood of Jesus was shed to break the curse and release the land from all demonic activity. I break and cancel all blood covenants made on this land and cleanse the land by the blood of the perfect Lamb of God. Blood is required for blood. I plead the blood of Jesus (Yahshua the Messiah) over this land. I grant redemption or  this land according to Leviticus 25:24. I declare before Heaven and Earth that the stake, as I drive it, reestablishes God’s authority and permanently cancels all former wicked assignments. Satan, the blood of Jesus is against you. Every right you have established ownership through sin is hereby cancelled and obliterated. I take back and redeem the land for the glory of the LORD of Hosts and the advancement of His kingdom here on earth.”
5.  Pour salt on the land as  sign of a covenant between you and God. Prophesy saltiness to the Church. (2 Chronicles 13:5; Numbers 8:19; Matthew 5:13)
6.  Anoint the stake or ground with oil and dedicate the land to God. Prophesy life and blessing to the ground as the Holy Spirit leads.
7.  Drive the stake completely in the ground as far below the surface as possible. (You may need a sledge hammer.)
8.  If the stake shatters, it is not a problem. Simply gather the pieces and bury them with the stake.

Scriptures on the Stake to Redeem the Land

Revival – Ezra 9:8; Psalm 85:6; Hosea 6:2
Reconciliation – Judges 4:21; Psalm 115:16; Matthew 18:18
Repentance – Matthew 3:2; Acts 2:38; Revelation 3:19
Restoration – Isaiah 43:1; Isaiah 54:5; Joel 2:25

(Note: Your stake has been anointed and prayed over before shipment).

73 thoughts on “Staking the Land

  1. oobiedoobie

    This sounds like something the WICCANS use to cast spells for healing their lands. If this nonsense was biblical I would like to hear about the stories of Jesus’ “staking” ministry.

  2. Rev's Kate & Rich M.

    Somebody needs to take a stake and drive it into that thought process, quickly…

    I think drinking half the wine… is it a bottle, perhaps a magnum…how much wine, is most likely the problem!

    How about a little red wine with the stake– funny, ya got to laugh.

    Let us pray! Kate & Rich:)

  3. Tim Thompson

    If a person isnt hurting me or others and it has nothing to do with me and these certain people want to do this or that and it isnt really sinful whats the big deal?If I cant prove that its sinful than why be botherd by it?Sometimes we can get to religious and easily to botherd and we need to CHOOSE OUR BATTLES CAREFULLY.

  4. IWTT

    Boy I did this a couple of times in my past life as a hyper-charismatic and frankly what a waste of time. I mean, I went for it with gusto and faith (though misplaced) and it proved absolutely noting. It provided nothing other than a warm fuzzy feeling that I had some kind of divine power and …. blah, blah, blah. What’s to redeem? The land? Why, God is going to destroy it in the end anyway and give us a new earth. How about preaching Christ crucified and help redeem the lost soul by planting the seed if Life through the gospel. We do things that are so “super-spiritual” and frankly is outside of what God is simply asking of us now that He has already redeemed us through Christ.

  5. Harry

    John 6: 28 They replied, “We want to perform God’s works, too. What should we do?”
    29 Jesus told them, “This is the only work God wants from you: Believe in the one he has sent.”
    It is when we are not satisfied with what God has revealed to us about Himself in His word or desire more than He is willing to reveal about Himself that we run after and believe nonsense like this.This is exactly the reason why we must know the word, and stick to it!!!

  6. Rev's Kate & Rich M.

    Tim, my dear–isn’t your blog, Exposing the Darkness?

    You know of course God’s Word goes sooo way beyond that feeling of… if it feels good it’s okay junk, and if it’s not hurting anyone, it’s alright; for Pete’s sake, you know that already.

    You’re just keeping us on our toes, yes?

    Good man!

    PS–Crrraazy ceremony, huh? K

  7. IWTT

    I wanted to add this thought (which I found from another site……. I think it fits here to the idea of staking land..

    None of the promises to Israel can come to the Church, albeit that the gentile believers have been grafted in (according to Paul). The promise of God (in chronicles) to heal the land is specific to the land of Israel. The promise about honouring the tithes brought into the storehouse in Malachi is all about God sending rain to Israel so that they would have an abundance of crops, and nothing to do with Church finances.

    Tithing of money has nothing to do with the Old Covenant Tithe of food to the tribe of Levites. Christians are not bound by the law of Moses. Now, before someone points out that Abraham gave a tithe to Melchizadek and that Jacob tried to strike a bargain with God for 10% of everything God gave him … what Did Abraham do with the other 90% of the spoils of war? He gave it back to the King of Sodom.

    Jacob tried to strike a bargain with God. Read on and see what God’s response was.

    The old testament is important for Christians in order to understand God’s Character. But we need to be very careful to apply anything from the Old Testament to our present situation. We don’t need priests today, or altars or vestments or incense or any of these other things. (or such as staking the land.) I added the parenthesis.

  8. Christopher M

    I think the real danger here is that there is nothing , or almost nothing biblical about this “ritual”. Having come out of a similar “church”, I at one time engaged in similar rituals. There were times when I, upon the instruction of my cult leader…ooops I mean pastor, would walk my property and anoint the 4 corners of the property with oil and “plead the blood” and “bind the devil” and “loose the holy ghost”. How about the times when I would annoint the doorposts of my house and pray demons off my kids? I think that the biggest common denominator in these type of “ministries” is that it all lies in what a person must do to break the curse or bind the devil or whatever else is on the agenda for the day. This theology makes satan soveriegn and God subject to what we do. This belief affects everything from thier view of salvation to the believers daily life. In essense, it is a works based theology and man centered. God is merely a means to an end, a genie in a bottle if you will.
    We must also remember that there are precious souls that are in this system and we must be patient and longsuffering in our attempts to teach them the truth. God opened our eyes according to His plan. He alone is soveriegn and we are only his vessels. Many people in this movment love the Lord and are really trying to serve the Lord. I dare say that many of them are more successful at living a holy life than many of us. We should pray for them and speak the truth in love. Just remember, sometimes love hurts.

  9. Annunk

    I’d say this all sounded pretty impressive. Well thought out, straight and to the point, clarity – you name it. But it was lacking in one thing… scriptural backing… which makes this impressive, well thought, straight to the point, clearly written out set of directions no different than directions on practicing incantations…which coincidentally don’t need to be done in any one particular person’s name…

    But I did love that part about what to do if the stake shatters.. #8. Hollywood – or at least an ABC Movie of the Week.

  10. jude newman

    You are kidding right. These people call themselves christians. They are false teachers, preaching a false gospel leading many astray. We are to expose them. They teach doctrines of devils

  11. rick

    Where’s the Hokey Pokey? It won’t without the Hokey Pokey.

    I guess Jesus was just wasting His time when He became accursed for us.
    I guess His fulfilling the law was not enough for our Father.

    Stupid people, stupid ideas.

  12. Grant

    LAW based Man based I need to do something else because Jesus’ sacrifice wasn’t enough based stupidity gone to seed

    BTW they forgot to say that you need to get a scoop of dirt mix it with some Pesi Cola drink it and do the Twist seven times 7 minutes after midnight on the 7th day of the month where you need to stake your land and also wear pink shoes and a bow tie and smile a lot when you do it

  13. Teresa

    @ Tim T.

    Please allow me to ask you a question or two. Do you believe that this practice in supported in scripture? If so, where. Tim….. I have visited your website and read a few comments you have posted. Are you a part of this movement?
    You are right about choosing our battles carefully. We commanded to expose false, unbiblical teachings and that is what Chrystal is doing…… Great job Chrystal.

    August 2007, my husband and I let my old church for several months to attend another church. I thought I was going for one reason but God sent us there for another reason. Simply to open our eyes to New Apostolic Reformation, dominionism, Kingdom Now and so forth.
    The pastor of this church was a female, who just happen to be under Bill Hamon from Christian International, whom I did not know who he was at the time.
    We attended there from August 2007 to January 2008.
    In October 2007 the female pastor held a woman’s conference there. The speaker’s were Kim Cramer who was connected to Christian International and Mary Jo Clouse.
    Let me just say that this conference was quite strange. I saw things that I had never seem before. From giving birth in a crouching position, to voice’s changing under the anointing. The speakers acting like drunks and much more.

    Now to get to my point. Kim Cramer, Mary Jo, Pastor H, I will call her, and several other woman I will not mention names. They decided to break the curses in Huntington West Virginia. Because of the Marshall plane crash in 1970, Huntington was under a curse.
    I was not there when they did these practices but this is exactly what they did. They went to Kenova West Virginia, which is where the plane crash happened. They climbed the hill side, did all these rituals and drove a stake into the ground to break the curses. I can ‘t remember everything they said but they said something about “reclaiming” the mantle’s from the one’s who died in the crash.
    Then they went to the Ohio River and put salt in the river to break curses. That is about all I can remember. I had forgot about this, just wanted to share.

  14. Carolyn

    That’s easy, Chrystal. It’s missional the sort of thing Dan Kimball would put his stamp of approval on. Remember the world globe and the salt crystal? Yagh, missional…..

  15. Mike A


    I thought there were STEAKS coming to the land.

    Witchcraft disguised as Christianity…it is sad to know well meaning people in Jersey (and everywhere else) are falling for this hogwash.

  16. Bud Press

    Hi Tim Thompson:

    Your comments regarding Chrystal’s post reminds me of a magician trying to pull a rabbit out of a hat–when a rabbit wasn’t there in the first place.

    Nevertheless, Jesus didn’t promote a live and let live attitude, nor did He recommended that Christians are to agree to disagree. With God, there is no gray area. Right is right and wrong is wrong. Sin is sin and holy is holy.

    Further, when something claims to be “Christian,” all Christians are under the Scriptural commands to: test all things (1 Thessalonians 5:21; 1 John 4:1); preach the word (2 Timothy 4:1-2); guard and warn fellow Christians (Acts 20:27-31); boldly defend the faith (1 Timothy 6:12; Jude 3); expose the unfruitful works of darkness (Ephesians 5:11-12; 2 Corinthians 4:4); and tell the truth in love (Ephesians 4:14-15).

    There are two references to the word “stake” in the KJV, and one in the NASB, and both refer to tent stakes (Isaiah chapters 33 and 54). Thus, “staking” the land (which is promoted by apostates C. Peter Wagner, Ana Mendez Ferrell, and others within New Apostolic Reformation), is not only unBiblical, it is pagan and occultic.

    There are, however, T-bone steaks and stakes for vampires, but that’s another story.

    Tim, I spent some time on your website, and find it amazing that you fail to discern the rampant false teachings and downright occultism that Chrystal brought out in her above post. Whoever wrote the “Staking” flyer has serious issues, and is leading the innocent head-first into doctrines of demons.

    After sloshing through your website, and reviewing the artistic renderings of “Jesus” and angels, along with your direct encounters with demons, goblins, and booger men, I am equally amazed that you fail to recognize the real Jesus from the false, which the Apostle Paul warned about in 2 Corinthians chapter 11.

    In Matthew chapter 24, Jesus Christ warned that false prophets would rise up and mislead people into believing they have seen “Jesus”. However, on page 4 of your “About” page, you state that,

    “Well Christ Jesus came through my cieling and wrapped his loving arms around me and said to me dear child Timothy, I have been waiting for you to cry out and ask for help.” ( )

    Jesus ascended into heaven over 2,000 years ago. Since then, many have come in His name, falsely prophesied His return, and claim to have been visited by Him. All have been wrong.

    Further, Jesus is in heaven seated at the right hand of the Father. He does not make back-and-forth trips from heaven to earth, nor does his conduct one-on-one visitations or appear in dreams and visions:

    “But the things which God announced beforehand by the mouth of all the prophets, that His Christ would suffer, He has thus fulfilled. Therefore repent and return, so that your sins may be wiped away, in order that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord; and that He may send Jesus, the Christ appointed for you, WHOM HEAVEN MUST RECEIVE until the period of restoration of all things about which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from ancient time” (Acts 3:18-21, emp. added).

    Tim, if you really saw something coming through your ceiling, I assure you it wasn’t the Jesus of the Bible. Jesus is in heaven, and will remain in heaven until He returns. In the meantime, He left His written word, the Bible, as the guide for mankind to study and learn from.

    Finally, I strongly suggest that you step away from hyper-Charismania, and get one-on-one with God’s written word; the book of John and Romans is a good place to start. At the same time, surround yourself with solid, Bible-based Christians, who spend more time worshipping the Lord than worrying about demons and booger men.

    If you need assistance, all you have to do is ask. There are plenty of Christians on this blog who will be glad to help.

    In Christian love,
    Bud Press

  17. anastasis

    @ Tim Thompson:

    I have no doubts whatsoever that this is sinful – it’s an unbiblical ritual that is basically paganism. It is completely contrary to Christian teaching in both form and content. In addition the term “Yahshua” (in that spelling) is rejected by all reputable scholars (including Jewish ones), and I suspect the stakes are sold as a money-making enterprise.

  18. janejolene

    Wow… These are “special” stakes that you order? Pre-annointed and prayed-over? (By whom?) Fishy… So do you PAY for the stakes? Or are they freely mailed out? And then what?… You begin a “ceremonial practice” that the Word of God never once mentions. And begin to put your faith into a weird sacrement for what? Is there any real evidence that this stake-driving has reaped what they say it will reap? Let’s see the documented evidence- Do the all the people of the land actually “yield strength for every Godly purpose”? And how exactly would one know? Then could we see the documents of the healing of the land and of it’s inhabitants? Surely there would be several sick/ailing people in any land… and a few Dr. reports to verify that many were indeed healed. Any crop reports? Is the corn or wheat gaining higher yields there- post stake ceremony? Is there any way to verify that the churches of that land became “more salty”. Because you would certainly expect that… If the stakes worked. If none of this can be proven… Then could it not be called a batch of false prophesy? Be wise as serpents, innocent as doves. We are surrounded by so MANY false prophets now… We have an obligation to search the Scriptures, and ask for verification. If there is none, it can be a simple matter. Don’t go there.

  19. Kiwi Dave

    Here’s what happens when we take those scriptures quoted above, and place each single verse in it’s true context:


    1) “Since the days of our fathers have we been in a great trespass unto this day; and for our iniquities have we, our kings, and our priests, been delivered into the hand of the kings of the lands, to the sword, to captivity, and to a spoil, and to confusion of face, as it is this day. And now for a little space grace hath been shewed from the LORD our God, to leave us a remnant to escape, and to give us a nail in his holy place, that our God may lighten our eyes, and give us a little reviving in our bondage. For we were bondmen; yet our God hath not forsaken us in our bondage, but hath extended mercy unto us in the sight of the kings of Persia, to give us a reviving, to set up the house of our God, and to repair the desolations thereof, and to give us a wall in Judah and in Jerusalem.” Ezra 9:7 – 9 KJV

    2) “LORD, thou hast been favourable unto thy land: thou hast brought back the captivity of Jacob. Thou hast forgiven the iniquity of thy people, thou hast covered all their sin. Selah.
    Thou hast taken away all thy wrath: thou hast turned thyself from the fierceness of thine anger. Turn us, O God of our salvation, and cause thine anger toward us to cease.
    Wilt thou be angry with us for ever? wilt thou draw out thine anger to all generations?
    Wilt thou not revive us again: that thy people may rejoice in thee? Shew us thy mercy, O LORD, and grant us thy salvation.” Psalms 85:1 – 7 KJV

    3) “Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up. After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight. Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth. O Ephraim, what shall I do unto thee? O Judah, what shall I do unto thee? for your goodness is as a morning cloud, and as the early dew it goeth away.” Hosea 6:1 – 4 KJV

    Well, as is now plainly obvious, when placed in their correct context all those scriptures were not referring to the New Teastament Church, but were concerning the Nation of Israel!


    1) “And Jael went out to meet Sisera, and said unto him, Turn in, my lord, turn in to me; fear not. And when he had turned in unto her into the tent, she covered him with a mantle. And he said unto her, Give me, I pray thee, a little water to drink; for I am thirsty. And she opened a bottle of milk, and gave him drink, and covered him. Again he said unto her, Stand in the door of the tent, and it shall be, when any man doth come and inquire of thee, and say, Is there any man here? that thou shalt say, No. Then Jael Heber’s wife took a nail of the tent, and took an hammer in her hand, and went softly unto him, and smote the nail into his temples, and fastened it into the ground: for he was fast asleep and weary. So he died. And, behold, as Barak pursued Sisera, Jael came out to meet him, and said unto him, Come, and I will shew thee the man whom thou seekest. And when he came into her tent, behold, Sisera lay dead, and the nail was in his temples.” Judges 4:18 – 22 KJV

    2) “O Israel, trust thou in the LORD: he is their help and their shield. O house of Aaron, trust in the LORD: he is their help and their shield. Ye that fear the LORD, trust in the LORD: he is their help and their shield. The LORD hath been mindful of us: he will bless us; he will bless the house of Israel; he will bless the house of Aaron. He will bless them that fear the LORD, both small and great. The LORD shall increase you more and more, you and your children.
    Ye are blessed of the LORD which made heaven and earth. The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD’S: but the earth hath he given to the children of men. The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence. But we will bless the LORD from this time forth and for evermore. Praise the LORD.” Psalms 115:9 – 18 KJV

    3) “Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican. Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven. For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.” Matthew 18:15 – 19 KJV

    Once again we see that when the scriptures used to support “reconciliation” in the pamphelet are read in context, they each deal with a totally different subject. Where’s the reconciliation in what happenned to Sisera? Again, taken in context the scriptures from Psalm 115 are speaking of Israel and not the Church. Finally, Matthew 18 deals with the person within the church who refuses to repent and how that person is to be dealt with by the Church elders. It’s not about reconciliation!


    1) “In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea, And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.” Matthew 3: 1 & 2 KJV

    2) “Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation. Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.” Acts 2:37 – 42 KJV

    3) “And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. 19As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.” Revelation 3:14 – 22 KJV

    Certainly repentance is featured in all three passages of scripture, and is necessary for salvation. However, these passages of scripture are unrealted! Firstly John the Baptist is preaching to the Pharisees & Saducees regarding Jesus. The second passage the Apostle Peter is preaching to the crowd gathered on the Day of Pentecost. In the he third passage Jesus Himself is speaking to the Apostle John regarding the state of the lukewarm chuech patterned after the early church in Laodicia. When taken in context, these important and powerful scriptures although speaking of repentance, have absolutely nothing to do with “Staking (Redeeming the Land)”


    1) “But now thus saith the LORD that created thee, O Jacob, and he that formed thee, O Israel, Fear not: for I have redeemed thee, I have called thee by thy name; thou art mine.
    When thou passest through the waters, I will be with thee; and through the rivers, they shall not overflow thee: when thou walkest through the fire, thou shalt not be burned; neither shall the flame kindle upon thee. For I am the LORD thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee. Since thou wast precious in my sight, thou hast been honourable, and I have loved thee: therefore will I give men for thee, and people for thy life. Fear not: for I am with thee: I will bring thy seed from the east, and gather thee from the west; I will say to the north, Give up; and to the south, Keep not back: bring my sons from far, and my daughters from the ends of the earth; Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him. Bring forth the blind people that have eyes, and the deaf that have ears. Let all the nations be gathered together, and let the people be assembled: who among them can declare this, and shew us former things? let them bring forth their witnesses, that they may be justified: or let them hear, and say, It is truth.” Isaiah 43:1 – 9 KJV

    2) “Sing, O barren, thou that didst not bear; break forth into singing, and cry aloud, thou that didst not travail with child: for more are the children of the desolate than the children of the married wife, saith the LORD. Enlarge the place of thy tent, and let them stretch forth the curtains of thine habitations: spare not, lengthen thy cords, and strengthen thy stakes;
    For thou shalt break forth on the right hand and on the left; and thy seed shall inherit the Gentiles, and make the desolate cities to be inhabited. Fear not; for thou shalt not be ashamed: neither be thou confounded; for thou shalt not be put to shame: for thou shalt forget the shame of thy youth, and shalt not remember the reproach of thy widowhood any more.
    For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called. For the LORD hath called thee as a woman forsaken and grieved in spirit, and a wife of youth, when thou wast refused, saith thy God. For a small moment have I forsaken thee; but with great mercies will I gather thee.” Isaiah 54:1 – 7 KJV

    3) “Fear not, O land; be glad and rejoice: for the LORD will do great things. Be not afraid, ye beasts of the field: for the pastures of the wilderness do spring, for the tree beareth her fruit, the fig tree and the vine do yield their strength. Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the LORD your God: for he hath given you the former rain moderately, and he will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain in the first month. And the floors shall be full of wheat, and the fats shall overflow with wine and oil.
    And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten, the cankerworm, and the caterpiller, and the palmerworm, my great army which I sent among you. And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my people shall never be ashamed. And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the LORD your God, and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed.
    And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit. And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke. The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.” Joel 2:21 – 32 KJV

    Once again, the scriptures quoted to support the pamphlet have been taken completely out of context. Both the scriptures in Isaiah again refer to the Nation of Israel, and not the Church. How and when/where does this happen with the Church “..and thy seed shall inherit the Gentiles..” (Isaiah 54:3)? The scripture from Joel was quoted by the Apostle Peter on the Day of Penetecost, and is does speak about restoration. However, is there any mentions athat before that can happen, there must come a “Staking (Redeeming the Land)”? No! of course not!

    This is an example of how cults and those that teach false doctrine take a single verse of scriptures completely out of context to support whatever wired and whacky teaching they are trying to promote! That is an very interesting comparison though. The scriptures in Judges 4 speak about Jael killing Sisera by driving a spike/stake through his head while he was asleep. Given that Todd Bentley claims outright that the “holy ghost” told him to literally kick an old woman in the head with his “biker boots”, what would he be capable of if he interpreted the events in Judges 4 they way it’s being portrayed in this pamphlet. Would he start driving stakes though people’s hearts to “excorcize demons”?

    Actually, the Lord has just laid on my heart why what’s in this pamphlet seems familiar. Have you read the Apocryphal book of Tobit?

    You’ll read stories of angels visiting etc, demons that kidnap men and kill them, as well as instuctions about using entrails of fish to perform magic and drive offf evil spirits! Tobit was and is a False prophet, and there are massive parallels between that book and what is happenning in the WoF and NAR movements. This book remains a major part of Roman Catholic theology. It is also where the angel “Raphael” who is central to Kaballah first appears:

    After reading the book of Tobit, espescially chapter 6, go back and read that pamphlet above, and you’ll be surprised by the parallels between the two! This book of Tobit is NOT the inspired Word of God, and neither is anything associated with the WoF and NAR movements – espescially their “prophecies” and “angelic encounters”. You’ll also find this prophecy from the Book of tobit has striking similarities to the Dominionist and Prosperity teachings of today:

    “Give praise to the Lord, for he is good: and praise the everlasting King, that his tabernacle may be builded in thee again with joy, and let him make joyful there in thee those that are captives, and love in thee for ever those that are miserable. Many nations shall come from far to the name of the Lord God with gifts in their hands, even gifts to the King of heaven; all generations shall praise thee with great joy. Cursed are all they which hate thee, and blessed shall all be which love thee for ever. Rejoice and be glad for the children of the just: for they shall be gathered together, and shall bless the Lord of the just. O blessed are they which love thee, for they shall rejoice in thy peace: blessed are they which have been sorrowful for all thy scourges; for they shall rejoice for thee, when they have seen all thy glory, and shall be glad for ever. Let my soul bless God the great King. For Jerusalem shall be built up with sapphires and emeralds, and precious stone: thy walls and towers and battlements with pure gold. And the streets of Jerusalem shall be paved with beryl and carbuncle and stones of Ophir. And all her streets shall say, Alleluia; and they shall praise him, saying, Blessed be God, which hath extolled it for ever. So Tobit made an end of praising God.”

    What happenned to Jerusalem in 70AD? Also, compare Tobit’s decription of Jerusalem with this description of the devil from the Book of Ezekiel:

    “Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone [was] thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee. Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee. All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.” Ezekiel 28:13 – 19 KJV

  20. Ruitje

    Looks like a pagan ritual. We don’t need rituals, the only one we have is communion to remember our Lord’s death. Using it the way those people use it with the stake is not biblical. They give a kind of ‘power’ to the wine/blood that is not found in scripture.

    But I am not surprised: a lot of extreem-charismatic rituals are not biblical.

  21. John Dunning

    @Tim T

    I really am not trying to get on your case over this, especially since I used to be heavily involved with this type of thing myself until a few years ago. In fact, the whole time I spent in the charismatic movement, which was a long time, there is much teaching upon how we are to break curses through our spiritual warfare, and how we are to draw out the blessings of God through our obedience. The trouble is however, we miss one central point, and that is Christ Himself!

    We have no power whatsoever to break curses, other than to cry out to our Father in Heaven from the standpoint of being justified through the blood of Christ, as the only sufficient sacrifice for our sins. We don’t have to prowl the land looking for demons under rocks that we may show our spiritual superiority. We must simply look to the Cross of Calvary, and the victory that Christ purchased there on our behalf as He triumphed over His enemies [Col 2:15]. We must embrace, cherish and nurture the righteousness that He imputed to us through faith in Him, and proclaim this glorious gift of God’s grace to all. This is our power, for it is the Gospel of Christ crucified and risen again, the power of God unto salvation for all who will believe [Rom 1:16].

    This quote I have taken from your website shows a wrong understanding of this truth, and also reflects the reason why you cannot see anything wrong in unbiblical practices such as this.

    Now read this carefully: By being obedient to God heres the list of blessings list in Deuteronomy, chapter 28. As you read this list please think about these blessings.
    1. Exaltation 2. Reproductive 3. Health 4. Prosperity 5. Victory 6. That we are the head and not the tail 7. That we will be above and not beneath.
    Now that we can see clearly what the blessings are let’s now look at the curses.

    What you must understand, and understand perfectly clearly, is that we inherit no blessings at all because of our obedience to the Law, for we all fall short of the mark, we have all been imputed with the guilt of Adam, and are indeed under its curse from the moment we are born. It is by faith in Christ alone, in His completed work of obedience to the Law, that we inherit all blessings, and are considered co-heirs with Christ, and the true descendents of Abraham [Gal 3:29].

    By doing what is described in this article, we are trying to fight a spiritual battle in the flesh, which is impossible. This is what those Jews who did not believe could not deal with when they rejected their Messiah, and it is what dominionists of today cannot deal with either. Our victory is never won by anything we do, only that we believe that the Lord was crucified for the forgiveness of our sins, and has risen for our justification. From then on, every work that we do that is pleasing to Him, is that which is carried out by His indwelling Spirit through us.

    God bless you,

    John Dunning.

  22. stan

    @ Tim. I’m the one who forwarded this item to Chrystal because it deserves to be exposed. It is indeed proper to set up a battle front against it. She apparently feels the same way by posting it. It is right to be very concerned if Christians think they can wield curse-breaking power over the land, and to facilitate that, to use the elements that represent the sufferings and death of the Savior to pour on stakes before they smash them in with hammers. It is not a trivial or harmless matter for Christians to be taught superstitions that involve a warped use of Mosaic law of sacrifice such as in Lev. 4:7. Christians may be freed from legalism, but they are to be slaves of righteousness and truth.

    Unlike what was told to Moses to do with the blood of animals, Jesus never authorized anything like that beyond eating and drinking the elements to signify our memorial of the covenant he was inaugurating with his people. They possess no mystical powers to eradicate a curse that has laid on the ground since God uttered it after the fall and that won’t be removed until Jesus returns. If gullible Christians want to buy stakes and recite incantations over the land who are we to care, is what you’re implying.

    Then what’s to stop people at a communion service from throwing half of the grape juice into the air and claim it’s been cleansed of the Prince of the power of the air? What would you think if you attended a service like that? Would you just shrug your shoulders and say “Different strokes for different folks. It’s all good. . .?”

    I hope not.


  23. Carolyn

    This is what the Pentecostals, charismatics, hyper charismatics, christian mystics, etc. etc. etc. should do. They should go through their book shelves and bring all their books on sorcery to the burn pile where they belong.

    Acts 19:18-20
    18 Many of those who believed now came and openly confessed what they had done. 19 A number who had practiced sorcery brought their scrolls together and burned them publicly. When they calculated the value of the scrolls, the total came to fifty thousand drachmas.[a] 20 In this way the word of the Lord spread widely and grew in power.

    We have everything we need for life and godliness in his Word.

    I had a Christian witch living with me for awhile. She was into all this staking, etc. She told me to put oil on all my windows so the evil spirits couldn’t come in. I said, Christ is enough and went to bed. That night a black mist floated in through the window and hovered over me. There was a moment of panic and then I rebuked it in the name of Jesus. Gone like it never was there. The Word is all we need to grow in grace and the knowledge of him.

  24. anna

    Theologically speaking, I think in Romans 8 Paul addresses this. He says that the whole earth is subject to futility (vanity, frustration), and is waiting until it is released from bondange. Again, from Scripture, it appears that this will be part of the work of the Lord Jesus at/during/after His second coming.

    It’s just not something we can drum up now, anymore than we can wish ourselves into resurrection-type bodies (even though some — including John Robert Stevens of “The Walk” — tried. He died.) Nor can we exercise dominion over the 7 Mountains or bind satan to the pit.

    All these things are not for us in the here and now, some may not be for us at all, being the prerogative of Christ. To believe otherwise is to advertise one’s MSOG, NAR and Dominionism theology — all of which usurp the timing and the work of the Lord Jesus as revealed in the Word.

    And lastly, to use the sacraments of communion in this way is a little scary to me, considering what Paul said in I Cor. 11 about not discerning the Lord’s body. Scary.

    Like IWTT, I’ve done the staking (sans bread & wine, thankfully). It’s still by my front gate. And frankly, it was useless. I’m not any richer, healthier, etc. than before. My help does not come from the stake, but from the Lord!

  25. Kiwi Dave

    @ Tim, You made the following statement on your blog:

    “See God is sending messages all the time to please draw in to me, I really want you to know me, I want you to walk in my blessings, I want you to walk in prosperity, I want you to walk in wealth, I want you to have health, joy, and peace.”

    That statement is on the top of this page:

    Tim, that wasn’t Jesus that came to you!! As Bud Press stated so clearly, Jesus is in Heaven! Jesus will never contradict Himself, and so you won’t find “proserity”, or ‘wealth” mentioned or taught by Him as being “blessings” from the Father. Jesus stated plainly:

    “Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

    The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!

    No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

    Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment? Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they? Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature? And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin: And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith? Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed? (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things. But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

    Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.” Matthew 6:19 – 34 KJV


    “At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven? And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them, And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.” Matthew 18: 1 – 4 KJV

    You see Tim! Jesus makes NO MENTION of worldly wealth or Prosperity. Exactly the opposite! With regards to your “visitation by Jesus”, the scriptures state plainly:

    “Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master. Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.” John 20:16 & 17 KJV

    “And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.” Acis 1:9 – 11 KJV

    Also, read the entire first chapter of the Book of Hebrews! Tim, you go on about “curses” here:

    What about SIN! All those supposed curses are the result of sin! Also amny are not curses at all, but the manifestations of a sinful life void of God. As ITWTT said in another thread, the devil is given too much credit. This is from your blog:

    Indications of Curses:

    (1) Mental, emotional, financial and spiritual breakdown
    (2) Repeated sickness or diseases, especially hereditary sickness.
    (3) Feminine problems -barrenness, miscarriage, menstruation problems or uncommon bleeding.
    (4) Breakdown of marriage, break down in relationships, siblings fighting as adults, family alienation, and lack of mercy or love between children.
    (5) Financial insufficiency, poverty, lack, car accidents repeated, loss of jobs over and over again, or getting hurt on the job at several different jobs, Accident prone.
    (6) People dieing at early ages or unexplained deaths.

    Those are not “curses” Tim. I suffered for over 20 years with not being able to feel any emotions whatsoever except hatred and anger. You couldn’t joke with me. I felt nothing emotionally. Now that’s most definitely a demon or curse of some sort, right? Wrong! I was prescribed a medication I didn’t need – Tegretol or Carbamezapine. I was taking a huge dose of 800mg a day! That was on top of 330mg Dilantin. I had one siezure back in 1984 (proably due to dehydration) and the neurologists of the time decided I needed these two drugs. It made my life terrible and I was becoming psychotic. Finally I knew something weas “wrong” when I felt better after running out of the drugs. A decent doctor asked why I was taking them, and advised me to stop. I did, and went back to praising the Lord, loving life, riding motorcycles and playing guitar. So, was I under a “curse”? NO! Also I harbour no ill feelings towards the doctors that originally presecibed those drugs. There was never any malace or ill feelings. No “devils trying to get me”. They believed at the time they were doing what was best for me and didn’t want to see me hurt myself in a serious accident by having a siezure. But the “demons” caused the siezures in the first place, right? NO Tim. I was run over by a car when I was four years old. Nothing showed up until my teens when I began drinking, as teenagers do.

    So you see, there are many. many rational explanations as to why those things have listed as “curses” happen. I place my faith in the God and His Word. This is the best advice I can give you, and its’ from The Apostle Paul:

    “Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.” Hebrews 12:1 & 2 KJV

  26. DP

    Big deal out of nothing, again.

    I’m just playing devil’s advocate here, but we can use any sort of ritual and/or prayer as a metaphor for what we are doing in our personal life. If the person, in this case a Christian, performs the “ritual” listed in the post with a sincere heart reading the relevant verses in context – then it can serve as a reminder/physical representation of what you are attempting in your spiritual life. It is no different than raising your hands in prayer as a symbol of surrender. It is no different than confirmation for Catholics as symbolic dedication to Christ. It all has to do with your heart.

    1. Chrystal Whitt Post author


      But the problem is, staking the land is not Scriptural. We can’t make things up as we go along. We can’t make those verses apply to a ritual that is in no way Biblical. We have to follow the Bible literally and in context.

  27. Ruitje

    We don’t need rituals like staking the land. They are pagan rituals. If we need those rituals we say that the sacrifice of Jesus was not enough. That we have to add works to it so it will be finished. It is blasphemy.

    Those rituals are pagan ways to control ‘gods’, ‘forces’ and ‘demons’. If we could do that with rituals, we don’t need Jesus anymore. And that, DP, is the problem with these rituals.

  28. Eli

    one more thing @ DP

    When you face Christ someday, you can tell HIM it was no big deal. see how far it gets you with Him.

  29. Rev's Kate & Rich M.

    DP–good post.

    Okay, you may and can play devil’s advocate and that certainly gets the gray matter going, I appreciate it; brilliant for a spicy conversation.

    However, the ritual used is inappropriate and blatantly devilish as it stinks of witchcraft. But, you know that already.

    We as humans love ceremony and tradition, that’s how we are, I give you that.

    Where do we draw the line?

    As I said, good points for discussion.

    How’ve you been?

  30. Tim


    I disagree! I think if the scriptures are silent about doing this especially if you filter what you are doing through the Cross ( is it something that was taught by Christ or the Apostles) in other words, does Christ already fullfill what was being done in the O.T. then we need to not make or teach that these rituals are or needed to be done.

    I will never understand why we make this walk with Christ so full of “stuff”. We make our services with all of these rituals, we do all kinds of rituals and in reality we are saying, God, you lied and Jesus didjn’t fullfill all that was needed.

  31. Berakah

    Chrystal, once again you nailed it-if it isn’t in the book, discount it!!!!

    We were in mainline church years ago that did circle dances and chanting around a fire on New Year’s Eve. I was a baby in the Lord at the time and that gave me the willies. We left there not too long after that.

  32. Mike A

    DP is only seeking a reaction. And like sheep many of you will offer him his drug of choice.

    Good luck DP –

  33. Bill Fawcett

    Sprinkle 1/2 cup bread crumbs over the steak stake.
    Add 1 cup red wine (may subsitute grape juice if A/G or Methodist)
    Add salt to taste
    Whisk in 1 cup anointing oil. Chuck Pierce Pomegranate Oil adds a nice fruity flavor.
    Bake at 350 for onew hour or until a fork comes out clean.

  34. Bill Fawcett

    But seriously, for an extra $10, I’ll include the “Prayer of Jabez” for you to recite 5 times and you can then place the stakes in your neighbor’s yard.

    I see that elijah list is no longer selling the stake kit. Staking is just the tip of the iceberg for the spiritual mappers.

    Chuck Pierce has more scriptures if you’d like a more word-based staking ritual.

  35. Ali

    De’ja’ Moooooo – I’ve heard this bull before.!!…

    Only the names have been changed to protect the innocent.

  36. michael Henry

    This came from a so called church?

    Yeah, so I guess I can call myself a Honda civic with 8 cylinders and 18 wheels…

  37. Rev's Kate & Rich M.

    Oh… I’m sorry, good bye DP. Will you be able to join us again?

    Are you posting other stuff that we do not see and Chrystal is being discreet? Have you put yourself in a position of super-controversy, as your comments may have become distasteful and redundant and argumentative?

    God bless. K

  38. michael Henry

    Seriously dude? playing the devils advocate? like he really needs more?

    @all This is yet another example of an individual making themselves the subject of threads.

  39. Erin

    Here’s an “important” message from David Herzog. I’m so glad I left this movement….

    “Earthquakes/Tsunami’s: It is not like me to post something like this unless I am sure to have a release to have others pray for these type of things.

    I have received several prophetic alerts all with the same theme. Last week the thought crossed my mind while praying about possible earthquake on the west coast and to pray. A few days later an American prophet living overseas emailed me the same thing that there was an earthquake warning this coming weekend on the west coast of the United States that could also cause a Tsunami. Then again last night another prophetic pastor told me that her husband who never gets visions hardly at all had the same vision and that yet a fourth prophet who is also very accurate that we know well has received the same thing for quite some time now…

    To top it off I received a report yesterday about solar flares that have erupted from the sun that are due to reach our atmosphere this weekend which are known to cause seismic activity. These ministries are not at all doom and gloom types but ministries but on the contrary are positive, happy people always helping and building people up and that rarely give or receive these types of words or visions from the Lord making it all the more urgent.

    The purpose of the alert is to pray for God’s mercy and speak over the land and sea and that our prayers can and do make a huge difference in the heavenlies with these type of things…

    Whether it be wars like with South and North Korea (I was just there in December during the highest alert) intervening for more time, or possible natural disasters, demonic interference or judgments of God believers can totally intervene and slow things down, diminsh negative impact and even reverse them altogether depending on how we pray and our hearts towards the Lord for a region. (Examples Moses intercession/negotiating asking God not to destroy the people, Jonah at Ninevah, negotiating with God for Sodom and Gomorrah and the list goes on)

    When we were was in Trinidad 4 years ago I sent a prophetic email to our email list at the time to that we felt led to all by God pray that God shakes the island of Trinidad ‘For His Glory’. When we arrived a 7.2 earthquake shook the airport the moment we got out of the plane and shook the island as we were going through customs. That same day we discovered that buildings belonging to financial institutions involved with high level corruption with the government over the oil industry were the main buildings damaged or destroyed. Needless to say we had a really great attendance and everyone was wide open.

    What we see coming is a bit different as it is potentially much more destructive in nature and we need to pray, decree, and negotiate with God as Moses did and as God would want us to, thus the reason he shows these things so that His mercy can triumph if we pray.
    Better to be safe than sorry so please let us all pray and fast if possible between now and February 20th but the most key times are February 17th and 18th.
    Pray for a harvest of souls instead of destruction, pray for mercy, ask God for a spirit of repentance over the west coast of America (and the nation as a whole) and in the church so that times of refreshing and awakening leading to harvest can come…”

  40. Donna Hicks

    If MY people, which are called by MY name, shall HUMBLE themselves, & PRAY, & SEEK my face & TURN (REPENT) from their wicked ways;….. then ( & only then) will I HEAR from heaven & will FORGIVE their sin & HEAL (get that?) HEAL their LAND!!!
    2 Chronicles 7:14

  41. Kiwi Dave

    So, will we be reading about the “big one” and San Francisco sliding into the sea after February 20th? This garbage from David Herzog reads exactly like the plot of “Escape From L.A” the movie with Kurt Russell as “Snake Pliskin” where a preacher predicts a big eatrhquake on the west coast of the US.

  42. Rene

    I can’t see the harm in such – but wouldn’t agree with such for myself. But if the person has the heartfelt intent and thinks that such is their ONLY access to God vs. just praying through their relationship with Jesus – wrong.

    To me, a waste of time and since I don’t see the Jesus or the apostles suggesting such – my point of view would be less than biblical.

    It all depends on the intent of the heart of the individual and the intent behind such a strange ritual. Sort of the ‘babies and milk – those that eat meat’ point – they are young and don’t understand but will as they grow they understand that such rituals are not needed for access to God.

    Actual answer is more difficult than just a real quick ‘yes’ or ‘no’. Again, would depend on the individual and where they are at in relationship with God.

  43. David

    The charismatic movement as a whole never was of God. The fruit has proven it. Therefore, why should it be surprising as to where all of it is going? The tares grow up and show themselves to be fake wheat.

  44. Dominic

    First 2 Chronicles 7:14 does not apply to us Christians, only to Israel are we are not Israel.
    Second, This is a part of Dominionist system, so we have the whacked out charismatics on one side doing there witchcraft and on the other side you have the reformed movement without the witchcraft, both groups think you can take this land for Christ- Wrong there is no mandate for for another earthly nation for which God works through then Israel. And doing this will not establish the Kingdom of God on the Earth. Jesus will comeback when that time is appointed. But we can see the signs as we are getting closer.

    Third I think these two groups, will join forces in the future, funny as it may sound.
    The Fruitcakes for christ (Charismatics) and the preterist coming together to take domion over the land, governments, and earth.

  45. Craig D

    There’s absolutely no need for this nonsense which has its roots in paganism, witchcraft and ritualism. Jesus Christ is our sufficiency; He’s all we need. Do we dare to think we can add anything to His completed work by fertilizing our gardens with wood, bread, wine and oil? I deeply pity the poor people who buy into this sideshow garbage.

    Dear friends, let us all pray for those who have gone astray through this stupidity.

  46. Rev's. Kate & Rich M.

    Kiwi– your comment is eerily said as you just had a big one in NZ.

    I pray this does not give fodder to the “prophets”; they certainly don’t need more “power”.

    Erin, the sunspot activity and earthquakes– New zealand was pummeled– what’s your take on that? Spooky, yes? K

  47. Erin

    To Rev’s Kate:
    This is from Andrew Strom who is a traveling minister who left the Prophetic Movement. He has videos on You Tube about the Kundalini invasion in the church. He is from New Zealand and has this to say about the earthquake….

    -by Andrew Strom.

    It was with terrible sadness that I learned yesterday of another huge
    earthquake hitting the New Zealand city of Christchurch. It has only
    been 2 months since we left that city and we have many dear
    friends there. The first earthquake last year had no fatalities but
    this one looks to have many dead and injured.

    I want to share a few things about our time in Christchurch that left
    me quite disturbed and concerned when we left. But I want to be
    sensitive because of the terrible sadness associated with this new quake.

    As some of you know, one of the main things that I hoped to do
    in Christchurch after the first quake was to organize a large open
    worship event in the city – to praise and glorify God that nobody
    had been killed even in a huge 7.1 earthquake. I found that no such
    event was being planned, but there were thousands of evangelical
    Christians in Christchurch, and I felt very strongly that it was
    important for us to publicly glorify God for the miracle of surviving
    such a disaster with no-one killed. The place was traumatized and
    it was obvious that a sensitive Worship event would do much good –
    and even many non-Christians would likely attend. But sadly it was
    not to be. And this is the disturbing part.

    I have organized large events before, so the Christian Radio network
    knows me – and quickly agreed to promote the event for free. The
    PA sound people also agreed to supply excellent sound for a very
    low cost. And the Christchurch City Council couldn’t have been
    more helpful. Everything was looking good. But then we ran up
    against the Christian leaders.

    One of the main “networking” Pentecostal leaders in the city told
    me that we could count him OUT of any support for the event. Then
    I spoke personally with the Dean of Christchurch Cathedral who
    told me that we could NOT use the main Square in Christchurch
    for a worship event for the whole Body. (Today this man’s Cathedral
    lies in ruins. It had survived the first quake, but it did not survive
    this new one).

    I called a number of prominent pastors and worship bands around
    Christchurch. I said we had the support of Radio, the Council, the
    sound and everything. No response. Worship bands not interested.
    Pastors not returning calls. (You might think they were busy after
    the quake – but remember no-one died and Christchurch was up
    and running pretty fully after only a couple of weeks). I simply
    couldn’t understand it. The evangelicals of Christchurch had made
    no public acknowledgement of God at all – no public worship for
    this miraculous escape – no public glorifying of Jesus. Even the
    secular News and the politicians were calling it a “miracle”. People
    were traumatized everywhere. Wasn’t it a “no-brainer” that we
    should be doing such a thing? Doesn’t God deserve public praise
    after protecting so many people from harm?

    In fact, it was such a no-brainer that the secular people themselves
    decided to do something. A number of the top bands and musicians
    from New Zealand came down and gave a free concert in the park
    for the traumatized city. It was heavily advertised on Radio – and
    20,000 people showed up. Of course it was a secular event – not
    Christian. The Pentecostals, Charismatics and Evangelicals of
    Christchurch had made virtually no public sound at all.

    I felt strongly that I could not push things any further without some
    basic support from the church. We managed to hold a couple of
    outdoor concerts for the homeless, and got involved with distributing
    “care packages” and things, but I was so disappointed. In fact I was
    more than disappointed – I was alarmed and deeply disturbed. I even
    told some friends that it was “dangerous” to offer no public praise
    after God has just so obviously saved your city. I felt so strongly
    about it – and deeply saddened for the state of the Body of Christ.
    But I could do nothing more.

    On December 17, 2010, my family departed from Christchurch. On
    December 28th we boarded a plane for Australia. I believe it may
    be some time before we ever return.

    My heart truly goes out to the people of Christchurch – and to all
    the world so poorly served by the church of our day. This was truly
    one of the worst “lost opportunities” that I have ever witnessed in
    all my years with the church. And Christchurch was truly one of
    the most beautiful cites I have ever seen. The people are so dear
    to us. Our thoughts and prayers are with you, my friends. May
    God bless and protect you all in these dark times.

  48. Rene

    Sunspots are known to cause problems. One well known one is that electronic devices such as your phone or TV viewing might very well be effected. A flare on the sun takes a few months for the effects to arrive to earth.

    While some suggest that the sunspots have no effect on things such as earthquakes and such – I found a site the explains it all in terms that most anyone will understand. So far as the earthquakes and other things – as the site states, “correlation is not causation” – but something that they are monitoring.

    That the sunspots were going to be picking up was something already known – and actually something that my less than expert ming on the top has been sort of watching. NASA and other groups have been expecting a peek in them to happen from present to 2013. Most of the effects of sunspots are deflected by our earth’s athmosphere – but the worst case scenero and something that is totally up for speculation and is not fact is what you will find at the bottom of that page.

    So in essences, someone COULD say that they got a ‘word from the LORD’ about such happening – when reality is that such is already known and they are just playing the odds by making that prediction – particularly at this time. Sad thing – is that some will be sucked into the voild of such a false prophet and blindly follow other equally not inspired comments – thus not be following God and lose or never have relationship with him.

    I find it interesting because – sort of strange how at times science seems to play into the hands of God and actually MIGHT be hitting on something that was the way that he set it up all along – no different than where in scripture it gives the impression of the world as round while at the time it was common concept to think of the world as flat.

  49. Kiwi Dave

    @ Erin, Thanks so much for posting what Andrew Strom said. It now makes sense as to why all the churches (buildings) in the city were literally destroyed – flattened!

  50. Rev's. Kate & Rich M.

    Thanks Erin. Wow! Food for thought. Alot sure has been going on these few weeks–Jesus’ return is imminent.

    God’s best,

  51. ephraiyim

    One Thing-a quote. Roughly because I am to tired to look it up ‘Occupy til I come’. Occupy is a war term that has to do with holding something taken or taking and holding an area.

  52. Kiwi Dave

    “And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come.” Luke 19:13 KJV

    This is the scripture that ephraiyim is thinking of. Now, this verse is very important, as it shows the blatant corruption of the Word of God in these “new and revised translations”. The verse above is plain in that the servants were instructed to occupy the the land. This is where the “prosperity gospel” has it’s roots and foundation – in the corrupt translations of this verse as witnessed here:

    “So he called ten of his servants and gave them ten minas. ‘Put this money to work,’ he said, ‘until I come back.'” Luke 19:13 NIV

    “Calling ten of his servants, he gave them ten minas, and said to them, ‘Engage in business until I come.’” Luke 19:13 ESV

    “He called ten of his servants and gave them ten coins. He said to them, ‘Invest this money until I come back.'” Luke 19:13 ISV

    “Calling ten of his servants, he gave them ten pounds, and said to them, ‘Trade with these till I come.'” Luke 19:13 RSV

    You can see with your own eyes how the emphasis has clearly been shifted from occupying the land to making money, and making a profit at that! The emphasis has been deliberately shifted from saving souls and increasing the Kingdom of God by using whatever (natural) talents, gifts and abilities God has given the individual believer, to making a financial profit and becoming wealthy in the worldly sense as popstars, movies stars and other idols are wealthy. The compatable scriptures are in Matthew 25:14 – 30 and from there on you’ll read about the goats and the sheep!

    The focus on money and the “prosperity” gospel also shows that all who adhere to such a false doctrine and all who teach and preach this heresy are carnally minded. The show they care only for what they can see wioth their eyes and touch with their hands. They are idolators, which is why they do not worship the Living God, but the false prophets that promise them wealth and fame:

    “For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.” Romans 8:5 – 8 KJV

    Quoting Charles Spurgeon this passage of scripture:

    “We all know that the word “carnal” here signifies fleshly. The old translators rendered the passage thus; “The mind of the flesh is enmity against God”—that is to say, the natural mind, that soul which we inherit from our fathers, that which was born within us when our bodies were fashioned by God. The fleshly mind, the phronema sarkos, the lusts, the passions of the soul; it is this which has gone astray from God, and become enmity against him.

    But, before we enter upon a discussion of the doctrine of the text, observe how strongly the Apostle expresses it. “The carnal mind,” he says, “is ENMITY against God.” He uses a noun, and not an adjective. He does not say it is opposed to God merely, but it is positive enmity. It is not black, but blackness; it is not at enmity, but enmity itself; it is not corrupt, but corruption; it is not rebellious, it is rebellion; it is not wicked, it is wickedness itself. The heart, though it be deceitful, is positively deceit; it is evil in the concrete, sin in the essence; it is the distillation, the quintessence of all things that are vile; it is not envious against God, it is envy; it is not at enmity, it is actual enmity.”

    The entire sermon/teaching can be found here:

  53. Kiwi Dave

    With regards to the disaster in Christchurch, this news story will put things in perspective as to why this has happenned. Pay particular attention to the comments, which will come as a major shock to you:

  54. Ephraiyim

    @Kiwi Dave
    I hope you are not implying I was encouraging anyone to use this scripture as a money grabbing scheme to “convince God” we deserve prosperity. I have gotten attacked a bit so I hope I am not being overly sensitive here.
    I actually think you mean to say that you agree that He has given us, spiritually what we need to occupy until His return.
    For me that means more than just sitting around waiting for “when we all get to heaven”. I want to see peoples lives changed by Yahshua (Jesus) here and now. Not that everything will be rosey and fine but that He will equip them to have an answer to anyone who asks about the hope He has put within them.

  55. Headless Unicorn Guy

    Somebody tell me how this is different from the magick ritual of setting Wards?

    (Note: Your stake has been anointed and prayed over before shipment).

    “Before shipment…” I assume money changes hands to acquire the anointed/inscribed/prayed over stake? Stakes, actually — you’d need at least four to outline a plot of land such as a city lot.

  56. daffydil

    I (foolishly) purchased one of those annointed stakes at a meeting. I did not tell my husband as I knew what his response would be (negative). I got caught up in the moment (which is soooo typically charismatic) and also bought a book about deliverance from this traveling minister and her son. I still have not read it as I prefer my Bible, and I don’t have enough time to study as it is. We attend a very small church that has ALOT of problems and lately I only attend in submission to my husband. He thinks God sent us there to help them, but several couples have been sent there and they were all turned away. There is much error there. (They are devout followers of the prosperity message) UGH. The elderly woman who is pastor, took up the position after her husband passed away 4 years ago. We have had problems there with a couple people, and a few weeks ago I became so angry I actually flipped off someone in my Sunday School class and left the room. (totally out of character for me) It was announced a couple weeks later they are changing the service times and discontinuing the adult SS class.

    I am so tired of all the spiritual junk. I’m tired of the charismatic nonsense, the hebrew roots legalism, the kingdom now people, the prosperity junk, the lastest prophetic word from “Apostle Whoflungdung”. I know the joy of the Lord is my strength. I know I’m the head and not the tail. I know I’m safe in the palm of His hand. But I’m tired. All I really want is Jesus. He died for ME, and I’m a screw-up, but I love Him. And I’m waiting (sort of patiently).

  57. Rev's Kate & Rich M.

    Hey Daffy– keep seeking and knocking– you’re on the right track. Do not even give a thought to that junk you talked about. You have been freed, isn’t that super?

    You are safe in the palms of His hands.

    Your name, I love it, because this is the time the daffodils begin to grow; they poke their little green heads through our northern soil; and when the sun beckons, God allows their yellow beauty to unfold–such an awesome sight when our snow-weary souls embrace their beauty. Hooray! Winter is almost over.

    God bless you for your honesty and candidness,

    PS– You will find many people love you here, they will encourage you to fight the good fight. No, no one will think you unusual–we’ve all been where you are–and we’re doing just fine–right folks?:)

  58. ephraiyim

    That is all our focus should be just following in His footsteps the best we can. All the doctrinal stuff wil sort itself out in time. When we see Him we shall be like Him.
    Never follow a man except Jesus. Very few are capable of leading without some pride creeping in and that can lead to doctrinal error.
    Just get in the Word and ask Father to send His Holy Spirit to teach you what He wants you to know for that day. Then look for Him revealing what He has taught through your relationships and your circumstances so you can understand the application in your personal life.
    My walk won’t look like yours. Be free in Him to become all he created you for. He has a plan for your life. He never makes junk. Everyone one who has ever lived was created for a purpose. Ask Him to show you what your purpose is so you can begin to cooperate with Holy Spirit in becoming.
    That is our just-just to become the part that He intends us to be. Every part is needed without you we will not become all that we as a body are created to be. We need you too.

    1. Chrystal Whitt Post author

      We are to contend for the faith, and God the Father equipped us to sort this doctrinal stuff out so that we will not be led astray by false doctrine.

  59. Berakah

    @Daffydil, I ache as I read your post-sounds a lot like what has happened to a lot of us on this blog. Sometimes we need to distance ourselves from the Church to get a clear view of what He wants and what He wrote. There is so much spin out there from all sides and Chrystal has been exposing so much of it for us-I had no idea all of this nonsense was taking place in the Body because of no tv and little contact with the Church world anymore. Does Yeshua even recognize His Body anymore??? The enemy would like nothing better for us to throw in the towel and forget this trip, but we know in our “knowers” that there is so much more available to us as believers and the end of our journey will be SO worth it when we see Him. Blessings….

  60. Teresa

    @ Ephraiyium

    I do not understand you, I am trying.
    You said… in above post……All the doctrinal stuff wil sort itself out in time. When we see Him we shall be like Him.

    Chrystal said this in her above post…..We are to contend for the faith, and God the Father equipped us to sort this doctrinal stuff out so that we will not be led astray by false doctrine.

    Then “you” Amen Chrystal. What she said is nothing like you said. Unless I am missing something or totally misunderstanding your statement, your statement totally contradicts Chrystal’s statement.

    You defend false teachers and false prophets by saying I don’t listen to or believe “everything” they say but…………..I chew the meat and spit out the bones. You defend false teachers like Mike Bickle, Frank Viola, Leonard Sweet, Heidi Baker and others.
    Then you make this statement about Benny Hinn….You said…. I am completely against Benny Hinn however it is one thing to speak about what is true and another to add on to make a point.
    That my friend “Ephraiyium” is extra-biblical… that is what we are talking about.
    Benny Hinn teaches extra-biblical revelation, just like Bickle, Baker, P. King, Bill Johnson, Todd Bentley and the rest in the Word of faith movement and New Apostolic Reformation. They are no different than Benny Hinn.
    In your statement about Benny you said… I am completely against Benny Hinn however it is one thing to speak about what is true and another to add on to make a point. You said in another post this……. Just because something is extra-biblical does not mean it is unbiblical. It makes it “unbiblical” because we are not to add to or take away from the word of God….Again Carolyn is right you do talk in circles.

    Ephraiyium…. I call it like I see it, you talk out both sides of your mouth and you contradict yourself in your comments. I am not meaning to be critical with you but this really concerns me that you are deceived by these false teachers more that you know. I am truly praying on your behalf.

    Maybe I am the only one who see this, besides Carolyn…….I will stand to be corrected or rebuked… if I am wrong. God Bless

  61. Laurie K

    Hello, this is for Erin Curtis regarding Patricia King & Visions of Jesus– You are right, we should pray for her, but as far as Patricia’s “love for God,” one has to wonder if we are loving the same God- the God of the Bible, or…? Remember II Cor. 11. Is it another Jesus, a different spirit, &/or a different gospel? The warning is from Paul- “You may well put up with it.”
    Thank you, Laurie

  62. Laurie Kramer

    Hello, this is for Erin Curtis regarding Patricia King & Visions of Jesus– You are right, we should pray for her, but as far as Patricia’s “love for God,” one has to wonder if we are loving the same God- the God of the Bible, or…? Remember II Cor. 11. Is it another Jesus, a different spirit, &/or a different gospel? The warning from Paul- “You may well put up with it.”
    Thank you, Laurie

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