Barbie Breathit: Dream Divination

It took me a while to transcribe what you’re about to read because I had to take it in small doses.  The video below is a couple of years old, but Barbie Breathit, who readily admits she’s a Christian Mystic, discusses dreams and angelic encounters with Sid Roth.  Roth is no stranger to the far out and extraordinary, and neither is Breathit, but what I hear when watching this video is far too abusive to Christianity to let it slip by.

I won’t ask you to watch the entire video unless you wish to do so for research purposes.  I’ll give you a quick and ugly of what Breathit says so you can avoid the mental and spiritual assault.  She informs Roth that there is an angel standing behind him, and it’s dressed in blue.  What follows is tales of many other fantastic and miraculous manifestations and healings.

Now, fast forward to the 15:23 mark and begin listening to Breathit’s instruction on how to interpret dreams.  If you don’t want to listen, I’m going to make it really easy on you and transcribe it.  All emphasis is mine.  Here we go!

Sid Roth:  “Hello, Sid Roth here with Barbie Breathit.  Have you had dreams and been so frustrated because you know they’re not literal, you know God’s trying to communicate to you, but you don’t have a clue as to what God’s saying?  Now, that’s not the way it’s supposed to be, and that’s why Barbie Breathit has put together a dream package for you to understand your dreams.  Would you explain this, Barbie?”

Breathit:  “I would love to.  These are some…what I call ‘cheater cards.’  Because one of them is called ‘God’s dream language;’ ‘His Colors;’ ‘People Cards;’ and then we also have the ‘Healing Card’ that’s gonna go along with it; but, I want to tell you about the dream cards because God has a specific way He speaks and it’s symbolic, it’s metaphoric, and so He’ll give us a symbol in our dream that’s going to represent something.  So, to unlock the mystery of our dream, we need to know what that symbol means, why did He choose that specific color to go along with it, why did He choose certain characters in the dream?  So, what I did is I designed cards….”

Sid Roth:  “Most people don’t even pay attention to the colors in their dreams, but now they’re going to.”

Breathit:  They’re going to because the colors are significant.  Everything that God does is for a purpose and for a reason – it’s to communicate His love to us, to communicate His destiny and calling for us.  So, He designs dreams for us every night we dream.  Sometimes we don’t recall them, but this package is going to give people the keys that they need to unlock the meanings of their dreams because if, if we can understand what the symbolic meaning is, all of a sudden it’s not a mystery anymore, but that mystery is unlocked and we’re able to step into the understanding of it.  So, we have one on ‘God’s dream language,’ one on colors, one on different people that appear in your dream, why…”

Sid Roth:  “Give me an example of a person and what it might mean in a dream.”

Breathit:  “If a man appeared in your dream and he was wearing a blue coat (remember, Sid’s angel is wearing a blue robe), I ask the Holy Spirit questions.  ‘Is it blue because he’s coming in the spirit of revelation and understanding with healing, or is this person depressed because of having a blue day?’ So, they’re symbolic symbols that are there.  Or if they were dressed in red, are they an angry person, or do they operate in the power of God, or are they cloaked in His wisdom?  And, so, different colors are going to tell you different things.  We’ve taken it right out of the Bible.  We’ve searched the Scriptures for the understanding of colors, for the understanding of symbols that are in the Bible, and we’ve compiled it together to give people the keys (her dream cards) to go to the Lord and say, ‘I had this is my dream.  Holy Spirit, what does it mean?’  And then look and see what’s on the cards, and the Holy Spirit will direct you right to the understanding of that mystery that He’s….”

Sid Roth:  “You know, what I really love is your card on healing.”

Breathit:  “Oh, me too.”

Sid Roth:  “Explain that.”

Breathit:  “I put together the basic root causes of diseases, so you can begin to pray for somebody, and the limits of space is not any limitation.  You can pray for somebody in another state, another country, and you can find out what their ailment is.  Go to the card and find out what the different reasons of that is.  Is it something of anxiety?  There’s deaf and dumb spirit.  Is it drug related?  Is it evil spirit related? “

Sid Roth:  “So, when you get rid of the cause, healing is easy!”

Breathit:  “If you cut the root off, that unholy fruit, or that illness, that sickness, that disease and infirmity is going to die.  And, so you speak the name of Jesus, you use His blood, and you claim His healing power using His name, and you can send it forth on the wings of angels, through your prayers, and they go forth…”

Sid Roth:  “Give me, give me one example.”

Breathit:  “I was praying for a Wiccan witch’s children – her daughter became pregnant, had twins in her womb, the doctors wanted to abort them because both of the babies had cysts in their brain.  I said, ‘Don’t do that.’  I said, ‘Let me get some people who believe and have faith to pray, and we’re gonna send healing to your daughter’s womb, and your babies are gonna be healed.’  God did exactly that, Sid.  Healing went to another state, in the womb where the babies brains were still developing, took out the cysts.  The next sonogram that came, those babies both were perfectly healed and born normal.  They were not aborted because of God.  His, His plan is to show grace and mercy, and it’s His goodness that leads people to repentance.  This woman was worshipping Satan, she had no connection with God whatsoever, but God is a God of love, and He looks past that and says, ‘If I am good to you and I love you, you’ll turn to Me.’  And, so, He healed her grandbabies.” 

Sid Roth:  “Now, you go to a lot of New Age fairs and you do dream interpretation.  Why do you go to a New Age fair?”

Breathit:  “I believe we’re to take the light into the darkness, and so I look for the darkest places to go and I dress like them, I talk like them, I act like them, and so when they come into my, the booth that we’re there, we interpret their dreams, and we’ll flip their dream from when the evil, uh, wants to cause them to go down the wrong path, we will speak a path of light and destiny to them that brings hope to them, and we’ll also do healing prayers for them.  Through a word of knowledge, the Holy Spirit will tell me what’s wrong in their body, and I’ll begin to tell them and they’re suprised, and they call me a Christian mystic and I think, ‘That’s exactly right.’  Because God’s power is flowing through us and we can tell them, they want to know what their fortune is, we tell them what their destiny is.  We tell them, ‘God’s the one that heals.’  They’re searching for power, they’re just searching in the wrong places.  So, we go into those places where they’re searching and we bring the light.  We bring Jesus.  We bring the real thing to them that is tangible and transferrable, and they receive Him because they’re searching for Him, they’ve just been given a package that they didn’t like because it was religious.  It wasn’t somebody who was in a relationship, and there’s a big difference between a religious person and somebody who’s in a relationship with Jesus, and so we give them Jesus, and we use the sign-gifts - signs, wonders, and miracles happen.  There was a little girl that came there that had kidney cancer, sixteen-years-old, she’d already had a heart transplant, her Mom said, ‘I’ve had all the greats pray for her and she’s never sensed anything.  She came into our booth for a healing prayer, and I began to tell her, I said, ‘When the healing comes to you, the wind is going to blow in the top of the trees.’  And I said, ‘You’re going to feel a heat go through your body, and Jesus is going to take that cancer away.’  And that’s exactly what happened.  I reached around her, put my hand on her back, the heat began to flow and her face turned beautiful, a light came upon her – little tears began to come down her cheaks, and I said, ‘You feel Jesus, don’t you?’  She goes, ‘I feel Him.’  And she said, ‘The fire is going through me.’  And the Holy Spirit began to burn the cancer out of her kidneys because her parents couldn’t afford to fly her for the kidney transplant that she was scheduled for, and so God had her a divine appointment there at a renaissance fair.  I’m dressed up like a pirate, but the Holy Spirit was flowing through.  He doesn’t care what our outward appearance is.”

Enough, I can transcribe any more.  You get the point.

Barbie Breathit stated that God designs your dreams and would have you searching them to hear from God.  But, God spoke to us through His infallible Word and gave us all the revelation He wanted us to know.  Anything outside of that is occult, and is strictly forbidden.  Breathit’s dream cards will do nothing but lead you away from the message already firmly established by Scripture.

What does God want to say to us?  To find that out, listen to His Son, Jesus.  Jesus came, and what He was given by the Father, that He spoke to us.  On the Mount of Transfiguration, when becoming overwhelmed by the massive power he had seen displayed, Peter wanted to build a tabernacle for Elijah, Moses, and Jesus, respectively.  What did God say?  He redirected Peter’s attention back to the all-important matter at hand.  He said, “This my Son, with Whom I am well pleased, listen to Him!”  (Matthew 17:5)

Breathit says that dreams are the way God communicates His love to us.  I am truly appalled at that notion.  God’s love was communicated in this —-

John 3:16:

“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life.

And this —-

Romans 5:8:

But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

If these two verses alone don’t communicate God’s love to you, then dreams nor any other wicked imagination dreamed up by the prophetic movement will do it.

There’s much to be said about those who look outside of God’s Word for revelation.  They don’t see that doing so is an express rejection of God.  The truth spoken in His Word doesn’t satisfy because it’s not really truth they’re looking for.  They’re looking for a mystical experience.  So, if a demon speaks to them all day long through their visions and dreams, they will hear him.  Yet, when God speaks through His Son and through the Scriptures, their ears are closed.  This brings me to one conclusion… they have rejected God and have made up a god of their own choosing.  They are not Christians.

Think about it this way… if they won’t listen to God’s Word, which we know He inspired, or God’s Son, who we know He sent, why would He speak to them any other way?  Why would He speak to them through Barbie Breathit’s dream cards?

Breathit proudly claims the title of Christian mystic.  That’s an oxymoron if I ever heard one.

Watch the video below.

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75 Responses to Barbie Breathit: Dream Divination

  1. ron beardshear says:

    So then who was communicating to Peter to go to Cornelius? Should Peter have looked up his dream in the pentateuch? If it wasn’t in there should he have stayed on the rooftop, napping?

    • One of the things you need to realize was that it was God initiating that contact with Peter and not the other way around. They were in the apostolic age, which we are no longer in. They also did not have the complete canon of Scripture. We do.

      Just because God told Peter to go to Cornelius in a vision, it doesn’t mean that circumstance is applicable to everyone in the church.

  2. Erin says:

    I not only saw this episode two years ago, I bought the dream cards and CD. I am much more discerning and conservative now in my faith but I do believe God can speak to us through dreams. He gives me dreams that are not figurative, but literal. He showed me the diagnosis for my daughter and in my dream I said, “Oh THAT’S it!” I think we need to be discerning and ask for confirmation (which I received that week) but to say that He doesn’t speak in that way really puts God in a box. He IS alive and wants to communicate with us. Again, we need to be discerning and pray for confirmation but if He can speak in that still small voice, He can speak in a dream.

  3. Chaya says:

    She dresses, talks and acts like those at the New Age Fairs she frequents because she is one of them! The woman is an out and out witch. And it appears she performed Reiki on that poor, unsuspecting sixteen-year old girl.

  4. Dan Beliveau says:

    One thing she said that the anointing would be given to believers and non believers. Dreams will be given to many people, because I know that some Muslims have come to Christ because of them. But anointing is never given to someone who isn’t one of His children. It makes no sense. Also mixing mysticism and Christianity is totally against God’s word. Deut. 18:9-12 just as an example.

  5. Rev's Kate & Rich M. says:

    I was going to use some satire and sarcasm, but my toe hit the off button on my computer and I lost the my comment.

    When I rebooted, I came back and saw your response, Erin, and was touched by your honesty and may God bless you for sharing. How is your daughter?

    Yes, God can do anything He wants — He is God.

    I am humbled. My husband said, “Maybe God didn’t want you to post that. There’s a reason”.

    Wow! K

    PS–Guys, by the way, I cannot resist, I have a “pinkish angel” with red hearts on her robe, the Valentine Angel! Have a happy one. :)

  6. David says:

    Okay–I would believe Robert Tilton before I would believe Barbie. Who in the world would be stupid enough to believe what she is saying here?

  7. Erin says:

    To Rev’s Kate,

    My daughter is doing great! Thank you for asking. I also have some warning dreams from time to time and once I heard the word “Denver” and a few days later there was that shooting in a Denver church. I also had a dream that I was saying, “I love you” to a little girl when I was pregnant with her. I didn’t know she was a girl yet! I have a really hard time thinking that God doesn’t speak to us supernaturally anymore because we have the complete bible. I think we need to ask for wisdom so we don’t go down the path of mysticism though. And yes, Dan, many muslims have come to Christ because of a dream – especially in Iran.

  8. Christopher M says:

    Having come out of a hyper charismatic cult, I am very leary when I heard someone says “God told me” or “God showed me”. I lean towards the reformed concept “Sola Scriptura” which means scripture alone. I agree with Crystal that since we have the completed cannon of scripture, that is how God speaks to His people to reveal Himself and his ways. Until the holy spirit illuminates a human heart, the Word is just a book. I’m gonna tread on dangerous ground and I’m opening myself to criticism here. I don’t have a problem with someone saying that they were prompted by the Holy Spirit to pray for somebody. Maybe even a dream could be inspired by God to give a believer comfort or to pray or something like that? However I think there is a big difference between the spirit prompting someone to pray versus someone getting a “new” revelation. As for a muslim or anyone else coming to faith in Christ through a dream, I have to believe that they had to have heard the gospel preached somewhere prior to thier dream. The word preached is Gods chosen vehicle that he uses to convert a human soul. No one gets saved without the preaching of the gospel. Paul wrote “How shall they hear without a preacher?” The other thing we have to consider is that all throughout the bible, such divine encounters were rare events. Todays”prophets” and “super-apostles” seem to have dreams and visions and angelic visitations every 10 minutes or so.

  9. Teresa says:

    @Kate

    Come on…… We have been through this before, just like you age. Your icon is a “pink heart chicken”……LOL If it looks like a chicken, it’s a chicken.

    I haven’t had a change to listen or read the article. I had to suffer 5 hours of CPR this morning. I have a lumbar muscle stain and sprain in my lower back. My back did not like being on the floor, but I did pass….. praise the LORD. So if anyone needs CPR give me a buzz, just kiddin.

  10. Grant says:

    The Edgar Cayce Wonderful World of Angelic Color and Visitations that None May Dismiss or Question

  11. Carolyn says:

    Not buyin what she’s peddling…occult, occult and thirdly, occult.

    God uses his Word to fight deception. Barbie uses God’s word to prove her deception.

    Barbie is a full blown psychic, demonstrating lying signs and wonders, operating in the spirit of divination and hears from a mystical Jesus.

    You know the angels she sees? Well they are the masters of deception that are leading her and her followers down the broad road of destruction. And yes, if you open the door to them, they will come in. The word says (below) that we are a slave to whatever has mastered us. She is a slave of her masters.
    2 Peter 2:
    17 These people are springs without water and mists driven by a storm. Blackest darkness is reserved for them. 18 For they mouth empty, boastful words and, by appealing to the lustful desires of the flesh, they entice people who are just escaping from those who live in error. 19 They promise them freedom, while they themselves are slaves of depravity—for “people are slaves to whatever has mastered them.”

    I would not want to be this Barbie on judgement day.

  12. Kiwi Dave says:

    Most people don’t pay attention to the colours in their dreams huh? So when I have a dream about being on the bridge of the USS Enterprise from “Star Trek”, and Captiain Kirk is wearing a red tunic instead of a gold Captain’s tunic, what exactly is “god” trying to communicate to me? (Apart from him being demoted to Engineering because I’m the new Captain). That’s how absurd the claims of Barbie Breathit are!
    Her continual mention of “cards” only makes me think of tarot.

  13. michael Henry says:

    @Erin. With all due respect, and nothing personal meant, I must take exception to your reply.
    Erin: “I am much more discerning and conservative now in my faith but I do believe God can speak to us through dreams.” Discernment can be sincerely wrong just as a belief can be sincerely wrong. Your belief, or mine, means nothing if it’s not in line with scripture. What’s the proof text for your “belief”? As has been pointed out, visions and dreams as revealed BY God are not the normative.
    Erin: “He gives me dreams that are not figurative, but literal.” And that means….what? Just because we say it, doesn’t make it true. What sayest scripture. Again, what is normative?
    Erin: “He showed me the diagnosis for my daughter and in my dream I said, “Oh THAT’S it!” The fact that the dream was of a correct diagnoses is by no scriptural means a confirmation it is from God. We know someone not so loving who can disguise himself as an angel of light. And yes, he can do minor things that could be perceived as good (apple anyone?) but are not.
    Erin: “I think we need to be discerning and ask for confirmation (which I received that week) but to say that He doesn’t speak in that way really puts God in a box.” All we need to know has been revealed in the bible, our personal interpretation means nothing. And no, we can’t put God in a box, but we certainly should put our thoughts in a box and contain and conform them to what the bible says, and not what we think. There is a modern vain conceit that “God turned the light green just for me” that is just navel gazing.
    Erin: “He IS alive and wants to communicate with us. ” He has communicated with us. It’s called scripture, and the canon and revelation are closed, finished. There are No personal revelations, else how could it be the faith once delivered for all, or as some would say, how could we not be adding to the book. Yes, he is alive, and his written word proves it every day.
    Erin: “Again, we need to be discerning and pray for confirmation but if He can speak in that still small voice, He can speak in a dream.” Discernment of what he has revealed, and whatever what we see or believe conforms to his word, else how could it bear good fruit. Your imposition of “but” pretty much negates the first part of your own statement. The still small voice in 1 Kings 19:12 is absolutely not a normative for everyone, unless we have our own cave, are called to be a prophet, are being chased, etc. We are not Elijah.

  14. Jacqueline says:

    I was involved in all the new age stuff before I had my ‘revelation’ that Jesus is the truth and the only way to the father, wow what a moment that was for me…….the thing is like many new age things I was excluded because of their many and varied ‘laws’ or practices. I couldn’t achieve the correct way to meditate therefore not be spiritual because I’m not a vegetarian, nor could God speak to me directly because I don’t dream, strange but true! What a relief and freedom when I read the Bible to discover that God doesn’t set these things in place and I didn’t need to give up meat for veg to be spiritual nor do I need to have and remember dreams for God to speak to me, in fact I am more spiritual and closer to God now without all the stuff from the new age – freedom in Christ indeed.

  15. Erin says:

    @ michael Henry:

    I think I have been officially initiated to the “blog world”! Having my response dissected like that is the first for me. :-) I do appreciate your thoughts and have had those same thoughts myself because I am searching for the Truth. What I wrote is just where I am at right now in my faith but I truly don’t know anything except Christ and Him crucified. I have been on a long journey through Catholicism, Assemblies of God, New Age, and the Prophetic Movement. It’s been a bit of a roller coaster. Any giftings I have been given along the way I have laid at the feet of Jesus and have tried to just start over with a clean slate. I am in the process of discerning what gifts are from God etc…. So, you may be right – I will know in time.

    Blessings to you

  16. Rev's. Kate & Rich M. says:

    Hi Teresa–you’re gonna love this article; okay we’ve been through this before, yes. A pink heart chicken– gotcha!

    Thank the Lord at least this icon is somewhat attractive and inviting–the other one looked awful and I was becoming insecure just looking at it–sort of a mean, cranky, overbearing, monster that bites….

    Congrats on the CPR, sorry about the sprain, that’ll take weeks to months to heal, take it easy–we’ll give you a call if we need you… perfect, tomorrow is Valentine’s Day and it’s heart health month, too. Let’s all take care of ourselves, eat properly and get out and move and see our doctor’s regularly.

    Have a great day,
    K

  17. Carolyn says:

    Erin – Healing psychics do the same thing. Why do you need occult knowledge and dabbling in divination techniques? We are instructed to simply pray to God.

    Give me a scripture that says that these techniques are of God and I’ll give you many that speak agains mediums, witches and their paraphanalia.

    Jeremiah 23
    16 This is what the LORD Almighty says:
    “Do not listen to what the prophets are prophesying to you;
    they fill you with false hopes.
    They speak visions from their own minds,
    not from the mouth of the LORD.
    17 They keep saying to those who despise me,
    ‘The LORD says: You will have peace.’
    And to all who follow the stubbornness of their hearts
    they say, ‘No harm will come to you.’
    18 But which of them has stood in the council of the LORD
    to see or to hear his word?
    Who has listened and heard his word?
    19 See, the storm of the LORD
    will burst out in wrath,
    a whirlwind swirling down
    on the heads of the wicked.
    20 The anger of the LORD will not turn back
    until he fully accomplishes
    the purposes of his heart.
    In days to come
    you will understand it clearly.
    21 I did not send these prophets,
    yet they have run with their message;
    I did not speak to them,
    yet they have prophesied.
    BUT IF THEY HAD STOOD IN MY COUNCIL,
    THEY WOULD HAVE PROCLAIMED MY WORDS WOT MY PEOPLE
    AND WOULD HAVE TURNED THEM FROM THEIR EVIL WAYS
    AND FROM THEIR EVIL DEEDS.

  18. Ruitje says:

    When I read what Barbie is telling, it is pure new age. And she calls herself a christian mystic? Well, that tells me enough. This has nothing to do with the Holy Spirit or God. She is playing with dangerous powers.

  19. Carolyn says:

    Erin – that’s a very good place to be…searching for Truth. Your answer to Michael Henry was very nicely said.

    We all have come a long way.
    Job 23:10
    But he knows the way that I take; when he has tested me, I will come forth as gold.

  20. Carolyn says:

    I don’t know how the psychic got passed down to me but one of the favourite dream sayings passed down from my mother was “dream of the dead, hear from the living”. And it worked. I would dream of someone who was dead very vividly and as sure as I was born, I’d hear the same day from some close relative that was alive.
    Anyone ever hear that one?
    Anyhow, I had to cut it off by giving no further heed to it and it stopped. And Christ is my witness. That is why I can’t have any dreams in my life. They come far too easily and I have used them for guidance in the past.

    Now, by choice, the Word is my only guidance, hope, strength, peace, healing, wisdom, etc. He speaks to me daily from his Word…my only source.

  21. Erin says:

    Carolyn,

    I don’t need occult knowledge – I just was saying that it happens through dreams sometimes and I always thought it was God speaking to me. He had an angel speak to Joseph twice about Mary and Jesus. Like I said, I have laid down anything like that to God and have prayed that He would show me what is of Him or not. I’m not hanging on for dear life anything I can do or happens to me….

  22. Mike Larsen says:

    I think it’s a fact of Scripture that the Lord speaks to us (or can if He so desires) in dreams and visions but does He do it often and in ways that we see in the modern world of heretics claiming to be “Christian mystics”? I highly doubt it. Again, discernment is the order of the day. The modern church suffers terribly from what I call “DDD”, which is Discernment Deficit Disorder. People buy into all kinds of crap that sounds spiritual and Godly but never weigh it against the Word. If they did, they’d find it coming up short. The title ‘Christian Mystic’, in my opinion, is an oxymoron and they are diametrically opposed titles. This is nothing but witchcraft in different clothing. We have the written and COMPLETE Word of God with us today and we need nothing in addition to it. In fact, we are warned against adding or taking away from the Word. We should never be operating in any way outside of the boundaries of the Word.

    Grace and peace,

    Mike

  23. Erin says:

    Carolyn,

    Did all of your psychic dreams stop and do you ever have some dreams where it seems like it could be an intercession dream?

  24. Eli says:

    I have a question…..what makes this different than tarot cards?

    @Erin. God bless you girl. We’ve all been there, myself not too terribly long ago either (and i thought i was SO spiritual and knowledgable. HA!) Keep digging in the Word and asking for disernment, and it will come. It’s a humbling experience when we have to let go of all we thought was “truth”, and admit we swallowed a bunch of lies. be blessed!

  25. Eli says:

    one more thing…i have a friend here at work, who is “all up in” Sid Roth, totally sold out to the garbage NAR and prophetic movement. I can’t get through, i tried. last time i said anything to her, she patronizingly said to me “ah Eli, my little watchman!” and shook her head, and went on about her business. what does that say? There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.

  26. Rev's. Kate & Rich M. says:

    Carolyn my dear sister– I know what you’re talking about. No, I never had that dead thing going on, but I understand.

    I still have that “knack” for knowing stuff, call it discernment. No funny stuff and none of that hyper-charismania junk for me. Thank God.

    That system of belief will destroy lives… run! K

  27. Scooterpop says:

    Alright people…..you need her kit on how to interpret dreams? what a marketing scam..Mysticism, Occultic, from the word go….Cards? Tarot cards under a new name.
    Keys to unlock the meaning of your dreams? It’s the Word, the Word and nothing but the Word…Sola Scriptura is the bottom line. The only key is the Word of God. I rest my case!

  28. Rev's Kate & Rich M. says:

    Whew! Hot, hot , hot. K

  29. Carolyn says:

    Erin…just saw your post now…I no longer have dreams. And no I don’t have intercession dreams. You probably saw my answer on the Mailbag blog. I spent a lot of time on discernment websites, sorting, praying and listening. Gradually, my thirst for the Word, crowded everything else out.

    Eli, that’s all you can do. Truly, there are none so blind as those who will not see. I live among the blind as you do. Very perplexing!

    Mike – I liked your DDD Discernment Deficit Disorder. Good way of putting it.

    Kate, you sweet pink thing…uh, huh, discernment is good!

  30. Ruitje says:

    Did Joseph had a serie of dreamcards? And was it also used by Daniel?

  31. Rev's. Kate & Rich M. says:

    Mike L– DDD, huh? A good diagnosis indeed. Too much… and I discern you are on the mark.
    K

  32. Erin says:

    This video is quite disturbing…

  33. Tim says:

    I was reading this post, and was wondering what your take is on me having dreams of things that happen a couple a days to a week later. I’ve been a christian for about 3 years, I don’t seek signs and wonders. I will say that it doesn’t happen as much as when I was younger. some of you are probably wondering if I’m on any meds…no. I’m not sure why they happen, but they do.

  34. Erin says:

    Tim, those kind of dreams happen to me too. I’m trying not to focus on them and see if they go away. I thought they were intercession dreams and dreams of warning but I have given it to God and am asking if they are of Him or not. I even had them when I wasn’t following God closely. Just lay them down and pray that He will show you if they are from Him or not.

  35. Ruitje says:

    @Erin, I’ve seen that video from Patricia King about raising the dead… It is disturbing and it is ridiculous. It is blasphemy.

    So sad that people follow these false prophets and false teachers.

  36. Carolyn says:

    Erin – re the video of going to the mortuaries to raise the dead…there are “fools for Christ” and then there are “fools without Christ”…these people would fit the latter description.
    They are “massaging the annointing”? I agree with Ruitje…blaspheming the Holy Spirit!

    These people have the cart before the horse. Christ raised the dead as a sign that he was the Messiah, that he had the power to forgive sins. These power-hungry people have no reason for raising the dead except to put on a show. In her whole discourse, where was the gospel?
    Matthew 12:39
    He answered, “A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.
    Matthew 16:4
    A wicked and adulterous generation looks for a sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah.” Jesus then left them and went away.

    My heart is heavy for these people that have a form of godliness, but deny the power. They have not an inkling of what Christ came to do.
    2 Peter 2:16-18
    16 But he was rebuked for his wrongdoing by a donkey—an animal without speech—who spoke with a human voice and restrained the prophet’s madness.
    17 THESE PEOPLE ARE SPRINGS WITHOUT WATER and mists driven by a storm. Blackest darkness is reserved for them. 18 For they mouth empty, boastful words and, by appealing to the lustful desires of the flesh, they entice people who are just escaping from those who live in error.

  37. Rev's. Kate & Rich M. says:

    I had a dream the other night about a mouse running all around the kitchen, I could not catch it. The next day, I had a dream I was in Australia as my sister, in the dream, had moved there, and all I did was cry througout the whole dream; I attributre that to stress–no prophetic anythng.

    Can I say God does not talk to us in dreams? God is God and He can do whatever He chooses, whenever He chooses, however He chooses– but, mice and Australia? I don’t care for mice, but I’d sure love to go to Australia. :) K

  38. ephraiyim says:

    @Ruitje & Carolyn,
    We must be careful to remember that foolishness or immaturity is not necessarily blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. Yahshua (Jesus) defined blasphemy of HS as saying something is of the devil when it is of The Holy Spirit.
    He was being accused of casting out demons by Belial which is another term fro Satan.
    I try to be very careful about calling even things that bug me of the enemy. Just because something is extra-biblical does not mean it is unbiblical.
    When we take that stance we put ourselves in a precarious place since so much of what we do, then, is umbiblical. Find people with the gift of Pastor ever leading a church. Find worship on The Sun’s day. Find celebrating Ishtar or Christ Mass.
    Are cars unbiblical since they only used animals and walking for transportation?
    Now of course, I am exagerating about cars but only to make a point which is that we must be careful.
    As to whether what is being done here is occultic well that would depend on whether Daddy is in it. Since we know that satan never created anything and can only counterfeit it makes sense then that anything occultic must have a real that it is based upon.
    Figure out how that applies to believers and God’s ways and you will have grown a bit.

  39. Kiwi Dave says:

    @ ephraiyim, The Kaballah is extra-biblical and practised by black magicians! So it “does not mean it is unbiblical” as you say.

  40. Carolyn says:

    Ephraiyim – careful about exposing wolves? I don’t think we need to be as careful about protecting wolves as we do about rebuking those who bring dishonour on the name of our Lord. If you aren’t sure of yourself, then don’t say anything. I don’t say anything until I am sure.

    And of this I am sure….her use of “messaging the annointing” and going to funeral homes to raise the dead is committing sacrilege, contaminating the faith of others, defiling the Word of God, dishonoring my Lord, perverting the gospel, pillaging the innocent, polluting the holiness of God, and profaning his dignity.

    Here’s the definition in the Dictionary.
    [blas-feem, blas-feem]
    verb,
    1.to speak impiously or irreverently of (God or sacred things).
    2.to speak evil of; slander; abuse.
    –verb (used without object)
    3.to speak irreverently of god or sacred things; utter impieties.

    I know there’s the real…but I also know…this isn’t it! They are all about the extreme supernatural counterfeits. And I know that because I know my Bible.

    You said:
    I try to be very careful about calling even things that bug me of the enemy. Just because something is extra-biblical does not mean it is unbiblical.

    You are talking in circles. Extra biblical is unbiblical. If you don’t do what’s in the Bible, then it is extra biblical and it is also unbiblical.

    As for celebrating Christmas being unbiblical…if you celebrate it to the sun god, then it is unbiblical, if you celebrate Christ’s birth, then it’s biblical.

    As for extra biblical being ok…here’s a serious warning
    Revelation 22:18-21
    18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. 19 And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.

    If we expose the wolves, maybe there will be a few sheep who escape their ravages.

  41. Teresa says:

    @ Ephraiyim

    Are you a part of this movement? and/or Did you come out of this movement? We are talking about the Word of Faith and the New Apostolic Reformation.

    Jesus Christ no where in the Bible called God “Daddy” nor did Paul, Peter, John, and so forth. But I have heard only people from these movements call him “DADDY” God. That really get under my skin.

    I have more to say but do not have time right now. Later

  42. Ruitje says:

    @ephrai, this video about rainsing the dead is blasphemy because they make a fool of themselves and of the gospel.

    The things you compare with this (like cars) is not the right way to compare with what these people like Patricia King are doing. Your comment is foolish too.

    But maybe you are also trying to raise the dead like this woman on the video… and than I understand your comment. It is sad. Read your bible and see how foolish these people are.

  43. Ephraiyim says:

    @ extra biblical. when I use this term what I mean is that sometimes our perceptions about how Daddy works are not completely true. His ways are above our ways and His thought above our thoughts.
    @Daddy-Teresa at al… I am sorry to be blunt here but you are actually wrong. Aramaic Abba and in Hebrew Avi . Scholars are not entirely sure which one was actually in use by first century Jews, however there is no doubt that they would have NEVER used Greek. Now Both Abba and Avi can mean Father OR the more personal Daddy.
    In the Lord’s Prayer it could actually be rendered Our Daddy which art in Heaven. I am sorry that it gets under your skin but that probably has more to do with your understanding of how He loves us as a Daddy than with those who use it. I will pray for you in that.
    BTW Biblically He is our friend, our Master, our Saviour, our Redeemer, our lover, our husband, our God, our King and so much more. He wants us to come to know Him in all of His ways and in all of His aspects.
    @raising the dead-show me from The Word where we are told we cannot raise the dead. Jesus said that greater works than these shall His followers do. Unless you believe that only applies to the Apostles but then, since it is the same context, it must have applied for the Great Commission as well. Explain, not what you have been told it means but read it at face value in context. Quit making excuses for the fact that we are not doing greater works and ask Him to reveal what He really meant. “He (The Holy Spirit) will teach you everything you need to know.”
    This video does seem a bit over the top in the methodology but then I don’t know what it takes to raise the dead. Do you? Maybe the foolish things confound the wisdom of our preconceived notions of how it should happen, if, of course, you actually believe it is for our time.
    The whole Cessationist argument is a bit beyond this venue but I will say that if you want to speak of unbilbical I would love to see chapter and verse where any of the Apostles, writers of The Bible or Jesus Himself ever said that those things would die out with the Apostles. I want scripture, not what some preacher has told you. You said this was about scripture but I suspect it is more about what someone else told us it means and says.
    I was accused of talking in circles because I say that extra biblical is not, necessarily unbiblical. God does not have do do everything exactly as He has done in the past He says Behold I will do a new thing.
    So long as it is not outside of His character and ways it is scriptural. Let me see, when the young son of the woman who had made a place for Elijah died. Elijah laid down on the body prostrate face to face foot to foot. Under the Law touching a dead body made him ritually unclean. It was unbiblical.
    When David feigned mental illness he was being deceitful-lying-Unbiblical. The Bible is to lead us to knowing Him it is not the end but the beginning. Do people sometimes do excessive things that go beyond what is written, absolutely. I have watched many excesses over the years but that has more to do with maturity, or rather, the lack thereof than with them being evil.
    Do I agree with Patricia King in all she does, I actually was rebuked by her once, so, No I do not. However,my job is to pray that in whatever ways she is off He will correct her. She is His kid not mine. Those who have children, mine are now grown, understand that our kids do not always do everything the way we want them to but we , at least if we are good parents, do not divorce our kids. we continue to hope and believe the best for them.
    @Carolyn RE:Blasphemy. What I was addressing was the fact that someone had said that this was blasphemy against The Holy Spirit. That is specifically defined by Jesus as saying that something is of Satan when it is of the HS. He said it, so argue with Him. In that sense alone, what the Dictionary has to say is irrelevant.
    Bless you all. I have no problem with disagreeing but remember in all the rebukes Paul made to the Corinthians for all of their excesses he never says that they are not believers even though they actually were participating in demonic activities e.g. going to the male and female prostitutes in the Temple of Diana. Taking what belonged to Jesus and sharing it with a goddess (read demon). Which if you study ancient temple rites in those Greco/Roman times, that is exactly the whole intent of having sex with the prostitute. You were having sex with the goddess or at least to please her/IT.
    Finally, most of what we have been taught that the Bible means is from a western/Roman Catholic mindset. Read the protestant reformers they did not abandon all the Catholic ways. For example, Calvin put the Anabaptists to death because they believed in adult immersion rather than child sprinkling-look it up. He had them burned at the stake for-wait for it-Blasphemy.
    The Roman church specifically and methodically stripped away any understanding of the Eastern ways of the original believers. They taught that the ways of Jesus and the Apostles, who were all Jews, by the way, and kept all of the law their entire lives, were to be ignored.
    Constantine ordered believers to stop worshiping on the 7th day and only worship on the 1st because right up until his death he continued to worship the Sun god. Many believers were still keeping Sabbath at that time. This is historical fact.
    He, and subsequent emperors, changed the Feasts of The Bible to unbilbical/demonic ones that are still followed today.So anyone not following the scripture in those areas are worshiping something else according to Scripture. God said we were not to worship Him in a manner other than what He Himself proscribed (Jer 10: Thus says the LORD: “Do not learn the way of the Gentiles) and that if we worshiped Him as the heathen worship their gods we would bring curses upon ourselves and our nation. “If my people…”. Bless you all.

  44. Carolyn says:

    You know, Eprhaiyim, when you downplay the danger of wolves on this blog, you could get yourself into trouble as you have seen from me, Ruitje and Teresa. Wolvery and false teaching is a serious business. There is a whole broad road of it out there.

    You alluded to it as immaturity. Well, possibly you are right. They are immature (juvenile, undeveloped) wolves being trained by their wolf mother, Patricia King. And to be sure, she is a well developed, mature false teacher. Her and I crossed paths at a NAR church about two decades ago and she was a practicing false prophet then.

    Here’s what you said:
    Since we know that satan never created anything and can only counterfeit it makes sense then that anything occultic must have a real that it is based upon.
    Figure out how that applies to believers and God’s ways and you will have grown a bit.
    *****

    We’ve figured it out Ephraiyim…that’s why we’re here. We’ve figured out that the difference between godliness and occultism is the difference between truth and error, life and death. We’ve figured out that knowing the Bible is a lot better than flirting with a smorgasbord of false teachers. We’ve figured out that we want addiction to God’s Word instead of our addictions to experiences with doctrines of demons, astro travel through the heavenlies and talking to angels on a wave of blue light. So maybe it’s time that you figured out something for yourself, Ephraiyim. Stop compromising with those that live in error and you will be a jar, useful to the Master.
    2 Corinthians 6:17
    Therefore, “Come out from them and be separate, says the Lord. Touch no unclean thing, and I will receive you.”

  45. Teresa says:

    @ Ephraiyim
    You said… try to be very careful about calling even things that bug me of the enemy. Just because something is extra-biblical does not mean it is umbilical.

    Extra biblical revelation is anti-biblical and pure gnosticism. Gnosticism is all about the pursuit of supernatural revelation. The classic heresy of Gnosticism, which taught that a spiritual elite possessed “hidden knowledge” of the divine realm which placed their personal revelations, spiritual experiences, and private interpretation of Scripture above the ordinary revelation of God’s Word.

    A good rule of thumb for me……….if it is not in the bible, then it is not from God…..plain and simple.

    @ Carolyn thank you for the definition of blasphemy and the scripture in Rev that talks about adding to or taking away from the word of God.

    @Ruitjie keep on pressing into the truth of God Word

  46. Rev's Kate & Rich M. says:

    Hi guys! What’s going on here?

    Raising the dead? Please do not tell me there are people, Christians, who go to funeral parlors and try to raise dead, embalmed folks?

    Embalming a corpse is a … well… gruesome procedure: draining all that blood, removing all the internal organs; brain, heart, pancreas, the whole shebang!

    Then filling that dead person with all that formaldehyde or whatever else is used; sewing ‘em up, getting the make-up and hair people to make the poor dead person look alive– not a pretty sight. And then, raising the poor departed.

    No way, I don’t want any of those folks walking around; gosh they’d all need transplants, the medical costs would be catastrophic and heck, talk about scary looking.

    See, how preposterous it sounds? It would take a true miraculous happening to reverse the process of burial prep. Leave me out of that one, thanks.

    How embarrassing as men and women of God to act this way; it’s repulsive. I’ll leave the raising of the dead to God, He can do anything.

    I’ve had enough of this subject. K :)

  47. Kiwi Dave says:

    @ Ephraiyim, this is a quote from your blog:

    “I am a Torah follower. I also lean toward a Anarchist form of faith in Messiah. That Anarchist leaning also goes for society and how people should interact with one another.
    I believe people should have the freedom to decide what is right for them. without true freedom of choice in life people are kept in slavery to systems of control that other people manufacture for their own benefit.

    Governments of all kinds are inherently evil and should, through peaceful measures if possible, be eradicated. The only governments allowed should be those whose members have all agreed to that government and are free to disassociate at any time without penalty.”

    The Apostle Paul gave this instruction Timothy and clearly stated:

    “No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of [this] life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.” II Timothy 2:4 KJV

    As far as raising the dead is concerned, God can and will raise the dead, but not the way these people teach! The second woman carries in as if she’s in a infomercial! The garbage in that video is exploiting the grief of people who have lost someone close to them. I’ll leave you with this to think about. Being a mere man, and having no knowledge whatsoever about the condition of the dead person’s soul, standing with God, future life towards God and sins, would you really “raise the dead” even if you had the ability?

    I’ll now remind you what the Scriptures teach on this very subject:

    “And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment” Hebrews 9: 27 KJV

  48. Carolyn says:

    Good post Ephraiyim. I will comment on a couple of things.

    I understand where Teresa is coming from. Mostly we hear the word Daddy in WOF circles and it is taught making the Father a mushy, whimsical figure who plants you on his knee and gushes over you in an informal, very earthly, common way. When Christ referred to his Father as Abba Father, I don’t think he had that kind of familiarity in mind for us to mimic. He was his dear Father but Christ revered him and submitted to him in all things. And I know you know that.

    Secondly, with regards to present day Apostles. How much of the real have you seen when it comes to Apostolic type miracles and prophesying?

    In the circles (very wide) that I have been in, I haven’t seen much that hasn’t been proved false, whether through exposure of immorality or fleecing the sheep or fraudulent hype, distortion of the Word, false predictions/prophecies, biblical twisting by the biblically illiterate or prophesying great things for people with known sinful lifestyles.

    What is the obsession of the New Apostles with the supernatural, the miraculous, the name it and claim it? It appeals to the flesh.

    2 John 1:9
Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.

    What was the emphasis of the first Apostles? Truth.

    3 John
    4 I have no greater joy than to hear that my children are walking in the truth.

    How can the obsession with the miraculous compare with a message that clears a conscience of guilt; that brings freedom to a heart that is overshadowed with hurts and resentments? What can compare with a faith that is firmly established in Christ Jesus who brought us grace and truth and made a way for us to come to the Father by his precious blood spilled to take away the curse of our sin.

    If miracles take place while you are ministering the gospel, wonderful! If not, still wonderful!

    But these days, the emphasis is on the physical manifestations of the flesh.

    As for all the things you mentioned…Catholics murdering Reformers, Calvin murdering Anabaptists, new believers taking part in temple prostitution, rites, etc. It’s not how you begin but how you end. That is a principle throughout Scripture. Take Asa, Solomon, Judas, Hymenaeus and Philetus, just to name a few.

    Reformers who started out right and ended as murders, believers who started out by faith in Christ and ended up sacrificing to idols and compromising their faith by burning incense to Ceasar did not end well and will not end well.

    Revelation 21:8
But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”

    But Ephraiyim:

    Hebrews 6:9
Even though we speak like this, dear friends, we are convinced of better things in your case—the things that have to do with salvation.

    Here is great encouragement for all of us:

    Colossians 1:23
if you continue in your faith, established and firm, and do not move from the hope held out in the gospel. This is the gospel that you heard and that has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant.

    And God Bless you brother!

    2 Dear friend, I pray that you may enjoy good health and that all may go well with you, even as your soul is getting along well.

  49. Carolyn says:

    Kate, I thought you were in the hospital. Can’t keep a good woman down, huh? Hope you’re feelin better. Take care! C

    PS – the video about raising the dead is about half way up, posted by Erin.

  50. Teresa says:

    @ Ephraiyim

    I do not have time to go into a word study but I do have time for this,

    Abba in Aramaic mean “Father” Jewish children called their father’s Abba. Even non believing Jews called their fathers “Abba”

    Jesus cried out “Abba Father” Romans 8:15 says we cry out “Abba Father”

    The New Apostolic Reformation are the only so called “Christian movement” that loosely uses the term “Daddy God” I have heard them do this is such an irreverent way, with their voices changed “demonic sounding”

    I know because I came out of this movement, the God they talk about is not the God of the bible.

    If you choose to irreverently call God daddy go right ahead because I believe you are on the fringe of blasphemy, an attack to God’s deity, his sovereignty.

    You may want to take your own advice and be careful how you address “Abba Father”

  51. ephraiyim says:

    Carolyn,
    I absolutely agree about The Apostolic movement. My take is that even in scripture much of the things said in the Greek were a misinterpretation. I mean by that that monks who were very much into a hierarchical structure in The Catholic Church added their own ideas about what the writers meant.
    Remember that all of the writers, some say even Luke, were Hebrew in their mindset. They did not think like Greeks so even if they dictated it directly to Greek [it is unlikely that any of them with the possible exception of Shaul (Paul) and Luke spoke or wrote Greek] that they intended what has often been interpreted as the “5 fold ministries”.
    There is a great deal of evidence that when the monks of one generation did what most of us do by writing little notes in the margins the next generation would sometimes add those notes into the text they were copying. A friend of mine says it was “monked with”.
    So until we learn to think more like a 1st century Hebrew we will lack some of the original intended meaning. Remember that most of the early believers attended synagogue to hear the word since those were the only available scrolls. A full scroll of the entire Old Testament was extremely expensive.
    Act 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
    Even the former gentiles were now hearing scripture read and taught from a Hebrew mindset. They understood the nuances and customs of the Hebrew culture. At that time the Oral law was not given as much credence among Jews as it has since. Paul addressed this frequently when dealing with the “Judaisers” who were teaching that before one could become a believer, one(male obviously) had to be circumcised. This was never a requirement for people wanting to join the Nation of Israel in the law.
    This is also why in Acts the counsel of Jerusalem said:
    Act 15:20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and [from] fornication, and [from] things strangled, and [from] blood.
    These were the exact stipulations that Torah commanded from the beginning for gentiles wanting to join Israel.
    Lev 17:12 Therefore I said unto the children of Israel, No soul of you shall eat blood, neither shall any stranger that sojourneth among you eat blood. And of course this also applied to idolatry and sexual sin. In order to join with His people one was required to do those alone to begin with.
    We have lost much of that understanding as have the Jews. We have been deliberately, (at first), taught anti-hebrew. the Jews place a greater emphasis on Rabbinical interpretations than the written word with some rare exceptions.
    @Teresa.
    I agree that some, maybe even many, who address Abba as Daddy are being irreverent. I think to say that it is always irreverent is a stretch though. The way in which He expresses His love for Israel in the Prophets has many nuances that show Him as an intimate God who loves us deeply.
    Perhaps you would rebuke a young child or even a young woman or man for calling their earthly Father Daddy. Yet, just because He is my Daddy does not mean that I do not fear Him. I am not afraid of Him but I do fear a loss of His favor when I disappoint Him with my sin. Believe me, I have received severe discipline in times past to a point of losing everything including most of my relationships with family. He is still restoring it after 22 years so I know reverence. I have spent many many hours literally on my face weeping and lamenting the sin I committed in the past and He took me as a Daddy and comforted my heart and healed it.
    I am not defending myself but, please do not speak of what you do not know. Please do not compare me with what you think others are doing. Blessings
    He loves me so much I do not want to ever hurt Him. He is our husband and our Daddy, or Father if you prefer. He loves me with an everlasting love. To think that our God is not emotional and desiring of our longing and desperation to be closer to Him is just what I was talking about. he sent His son to die in order to restore the intimacy he had with Adam at the beginning.
    In the Hebrew text things can have several meanings beyond what the English language is capable of fully expressing. The Rabbis deliberately began to hide some of this after the return from the Babylonian captivity.
    This was much of what Yahshua(Jesus) spoke about when He addressed the Pharisees and their traditions of men. Christian scholars just followed that lead and took out much of the original meanings which can make it very difficult to understand what the the New as well as the Old Testament were. They tie together much more closely than we have been taught.
    BTW my mention of the early believers being former gentiles does not imply that they converted to Judaism. However Paul says that one coming into the Kingdom is grafted in and adopted becoming a part of the Commonwealth of Israel. this has many implications but suffice to say that gentile originally had to do with the unbelieving Nations-those who did not follow the God of Israel. Once you start following Him you no longer are a part of the gentiles but a part of Israel.
    Baruch Atah-Bless You

  52. ephraiyim says:

    @Kiwi Dave
    I appreciate the gentle way of your rebuke and take it to heart. I agree, though I believe that The Word makes it clear that we are to address injustice. I can get carried away with standing against it, in part because it is so rampant in our society, the church and government at all levels.
    There is a balance and I actually have been being convicted in the past couple of weeks about that so you are hearing from the Spirit there. Please pray that YHWH will help me. I have some strong opinions because I see so many terrible things being done in the name of God.
    People in the church defending murder of innocents and teaching we are to submit to injustice while quoting and being enamored with the founding fathers though they did not submit at all. That includes the ones who were Christians.
    I agree that warring against flesh and blood really is of no benefit unless it begins to open eyes to what is happening at a spiritual level.
    BTW, I do not know you, but many believers will say what you did and yet will vote and encourage others to do so. I trust those entanglements are not an issue with you as well. The world will do what the world does. We are to stand for righteousness and truth not try to bring it through as political process which always means compromise of the truth.
    The government (all of them) exist to control and manipulate populations in order to benefit the elitists. Does God ever use that, of course, but He does not endorse the government itself. An individual or a move toward righteousness yes.
    If you do not believe me watch and see how our government begins to turn on anyone who does try to do what is right in God’s eyes. Laws already exist which at a time of their choosing will force ungodly restrictions on believers. BTW you won’t be taken out of it unless you are dead. Jesus is not coming back to rescue the church until she is spotless and without a wrinkle.
    Jesus learned obedience by the things He suffered and It pleased the Father to bruise Him. We will be no less purified in the fires of adversity than He was. That is the message I try to get across on my blog. Those who endure to the end shall be delivered. Mt 24:13
    Strong’s Concordance Saved=sōzō
    1) to save, keep safe and sound, to rescue from danger or destruction
    a) one (from injury or peril)
    1) to save a suffering one (from perishing), i.e. one suffering from disease, to make well, heal, restore to health
    1) to preserve one who is in danger of destruction, to save or rescue
    b) to save in the technical biblical sense

  53. Carolyn says:

    I should have gone on Ephraim’s blog to begin with. It kinda tells the story. THE END.
    by Carolyn

  54. Teresa says:

    @Carolyn
    What does your last comment mean?

    @ Ephraiyim
    I am not comfortable calling God “Daddy” but I guess that is not the topic. We can agree to disagree. If you felt like I attacked u, then forgive me.
    God bless you

  55. Teresa says:

    @ Ephraiyim

    I went to your website on clicked on What you believe and it was very interesting.

    A few simple questions:

    (1) AreYOU a promoter of IHOP and Mike Bickle.
    (2) Are you a promoter of Frank Viola and Leonard Sweet.

  56. ephraiyim says:

    Carolyn,
    I just want to say bless you. Ya know if you really took a good look at my blog I make it clear that I post things for informational purposes. I am sorry you did not find the statements I make saying I do not agree with all I post but that we need to consider even those we disagree with.
    One of the main complaints I hear from unbelievers is that most believers think everyone but them are evil. There is a difference between sin and evil. Most believers are still in struggles with sin issues especially spiritual pride.
    I do not know what your specific problem with my blog is and it would be wrong for me to assume but dismissive comments about what people say with no willingness to dialogue about specific issues is sin. The Word which you say you follow says very clearly that if you have a problem with another believer go to them in private.
    I have ways on my blog for people to send private messages. Unfortunately you did not seem to care about scripture, at least in this instance, as you decided instead to attack with a curt little statement that says nothing.
    I wonder if anyone here has EVER tried to contact any of the ministries they are so willing to attack. Oh wait you think they are wolves so you don’t have to go to them. I am certainly grateful I won’t, in this instance, be standing at the Great White Throne judgement telling Jesus why I personally attacked professing believers without first hearing their side. Again I pray for Daddy to Bless all of you with a revelation of His love for you so that you can begin to love others as yourself.

  57. Carolyn says:

    @Ephraiyim
    I was struck speechless when I went to your website and saw that you are not a little anti government but it consumes you… with anti government slogans and rhetoric. I didn’t see much that is Biblical, getting back to our prior conversation. You talk about God but where is your life “in Christ”?

    I think you would fit in with the Dominionist crowd. They are building a kingdom on earth. We are waiting for our King to return to set up his kingdom in Jerusalem. That’s Biblical. He tells us what the signs of the end of the age will be, he tells us to watch! and he tells us:
    Matthew 24:
    32 “Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 33 Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door.

    …and throughout Scripture the fig tree represents Israel. So have you noticed what is happening with Israel these days?

    As for fretting about what the government is doing
    2 Timothy 2:3-5
    3 Join with me in suffering, like a good soldier of Christ Jesus. 4 No one serving as a soldier gets entangled in civilian affairs, but rather tries to please his commanding officer. 5 Similarly, anyone who competes as an athlete does not receive the victor’s crown except by competing according to the rules.

    What are the rules? Abide in the Word. There it is…
    John 15
    5 “I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing. 6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. 7 If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you.

    You are right, if I didn’t try and correct you, I would not be showing you love. I have my doubts as to whether you will listen though, as I see your entanglement with the worldly affairs is quite deep.

    I’m not open to debate. I have heard all the lame, twisted scriptures for Dominionism, used out of context, so I just read the Word, in context. End of Story.

  58. Teresa says:

    Ephraiyium

    I should have ask do you “endorse” not promote…

  59. Rev's Kate & Rich M. says:

    Thanks Carolyn–I was for that day, blessdly I came home and am now healing and grtting stronger, can’t keep a good woman down is correct, my friend– all is well. just a temporary stay over– all tests good– on to recovery and stronger than ever!

    Talk to you soon and keep up the work of our Commander, one day we shall meet in Christ.

    God’s greatest blessings to you. K

  60. ephraiyim says:

    Teresa,
    If by promoting you mean that I think they have some good things to say Yes. If you mean I agree with everything they say and do then absolutely not.
    I think there is much scriptural evidence that that the church is to be a house of prayer and there is an argument to be made for it to be going on 24/7. I do not agree with much of the Catholic mysticism. so I chew the meat and spit out the bones.
    As to Frank Viola it also depends on what you mean. I do believe we have gotten away from the faith once delivered to the saints. History is pretty clear that giant churches and a teacher/preacher standing up in front instructing is , at it roots from the ancient Greek temples and their methods.
    I do not believe that in order to start a home church one must have an Apostolic leader come and teach the proper way do do church in that setting. I do believe that everyone has some kind of gifting that are rarely recognized in an institutional church setting.
    I believe in teaching people to have an intimate relationship with YHWH and that accountability is one thing but the control of most churches does not allow people to be led by The Holy Spirit.
    Why is it that hte same, vetted people, are the only ones that are ever given the opportunity to be used. And even they can only be used within the paramweters that the leader decides.
    I believe in leadership but I do not believe that the pastor, or a board or anyone else is supposed to be in charge. Yahshua (Jesus) died to take us back to the relationship that Adam had in the garden. We are gradually moving closer to that and it will be finalized when we see Him coming in the clouds.
    E

  61. ephraiyim says:

    Addendum-The only person in charge is Yahshua. He is the head. I only have one mediator between myself and God Jesus Christ. To place another man in between to hear for me what God wants me to do is bordering on idolatry.
    Wise counsel is OK but telling people what they should do ought to only be confirmation of what the people have already been hearing. If we seek Him the Holy Spirit will teach us everything we need to know.
    E

  62. ephraiyim says:

    BTW @ Teresa of course you are forgiven.

  63. Rev's Kate and Rich M. says:

    Hi Carolyn–doin’ good, in and out (woman stuff). Thanks for asking. Yes, you’re right, ya can’t keep a good woman down–I’ll have to die first, which is a good seguay to my comment.

    I’m listening to Patricia King’s video as I write this. What is she thinking? What team is she talking about, The Raise the Dead Team? Who would want to be on it?

    Am I missing a scripture or the one she’s mentioning, what is going on here? Someone help me out, geesh!

    Well, if she’s right, and she sounds sooo convincing as she always does… then I’m calling up my husband right now and tell him that after dinner we are going to the local funeral home; then pop over to the hospital morgue for a bit; and then we’ll wait at the ER entrance as the EMT’s rush in on an occupied gurney– a patient– dead or alive, and lay hands on them.

    Now, if they do not respond, we will chant even louder and become even more obnoxious as the screaming nurses and doctor’s and the incoming security take us down to the floor and restrain us.

    Handcuffed, we will be carted away in a patrol car to the local police station where we will be fingerprinted and our mug shots will be taken forthwith. After that, we’ll be cuffed to a detective’s desk and asked for our statements, which will make no sense; then walked to a cell and locked in with the local thugs, rapists and well, use your imagination.

    Our attorney will come in, he’ll make bail–unfortunately, we will have to go back to the local ER, where we were originally picked up and be evaluated by the hospital’s resident psychiatric team; possibly spend time in the hospitals psychiatric ward while under observation; we just may make it out, if we don’t go around the ward whooping and hollering and trying to heal the patients.

    Stupid? You betcha.

    This is sad. K:(

  64. Carolyn says:

    Ephraiyim: As usual our posts have crossed and probably will again.

    The reason I don’t want to go on your site and talk to you is that you addressed us on this site and I think the issue must be dealt with here. It was a bit unusual to have someone telling us, right off the bat, that we should not be so hard on wolves.

    What you said above:
    “Do I agree with Patricia King in all she does, I actually was rebuked by her once, so, No I do not. However,my job is to pray that in whatever ways she is off He will correct her. She is His kid not mine.”

    ….leads me to think that you do not understand the Bible’s clear command to:
    Ephesians 5:11
    Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather EXPOSE them.

    A wolf is usually dressed up in sheep’s clothing, making him appear to be a sheep, hence Christ’s admonition to beware of wolves in sheep’s clothing.

    So forgive me for sounding harsh or curt. I did have some very close friends while we were homeschooling that were Dominionist Christians. So I have up close and

    Especially when you said: “Jesus is not coming back to rescue the church until she is spotless and without a wrinkle.”

    As for your comment that we should first talk to the wolves before we condemn them, believe me, it’s been done. They aren’t listening.

    I’m not here to judge you. I will judge your doctrine, however. If it’s Biblical, I’m all ears. If it’s experiential and subjective, opinions, worldly data, programs and agendas, I will, as well, judge it by the Word.

    People usually talk about what is important to them. “out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks”…therefore, my observation about your blog.

    Anyhow, time will tell. I am not bending to the thinking that everyone has their own ideas and we should all accept one another on the basis of love. If we do that without testing all things by the Word, we would be guilty of unity in error. It’s quite common but not logical. I answer to God, not to man.

    I don’t overthink things, I try not to be critical or analytical, thereby leaving room for the Spirit to lead. I pray the same for you.

  65. Carolyn says:

    oops…left out a line
    so I have up close and personal experience with Dominionists and I am hearing similar language from you. Especially when you said…..

  66. Carolyn says:

    @Kate – re: “Am I missing a scripture or the one she’s mentioning, what is going on here? Someone help me out, geesh!”

    ….I have no idea! :-)

  67. Teresa says:

    @ Ephraiyium

    You answered my questions and I agree with Carolyn, you talk in circles.
    The bible does not say chew the meat and then spit out the bones. However, the bible does says….. mark them, flee from them, beware of false teachers, false Christs, false prophets, take heed let no man deceive you, test and try the spirits, have “no fellowship with them” and so forth.

    “Discernment is not simply a matter of telling the difference between what is right and wrong; rather it is the difference between right and almost right.”

    - Charles Spurgeon

    Mike Bickle is a false prophet, he is into contemplative prayer, Joel’s Army, and much more. Frank Viola and Lenard sweet are promoting new age practices and teachings. So, I will not ever be listening to or reading their books.

    I bought Frank Viola book Pagan Christianity. I began to read it and I got very uncomfortable. God really impressed in my heart to get rid of the book, so I did.

  68. Teresa says:

    Ephariyium

    March 2 2011 at 9:51 am you said to me….As to Frank Viola it also depends on what you mean.

    Read this reliable article from Heresope. This is what I mean. BTW it also mentions Frank Viola connection to the New Apostolic Reformation and to Heidi and Roland Baker. Here is the link …please read the article.

    http://herescope.blogspot.com/2010/06/other-side-of-emergent.html

  69. Rev's Kate and Rich M. says:

    C– I am soooo glad I am not the only one who does not understand what the heck is going on with Ms. Patty King, what a relief! What team is she talking about–what dead people is she and her misguided bunch talking about?

    Disturbing.

    I just want to scream–folks, please do not fall for that junk! Ohhh, what a line of baloney and what a trap.

    PS– Ephrayim, you sound like an intelligent guy–I can hear in your “voice” you truly love God–what’s going on? Don’t allow a difference cause a super wonderful person as yourself from growing, and I do not think you are not; we must come to a resolution. We are better than that as we are children of the Most High. Let’s not argue, let us come and glorify God–we’re too smart– the wolves look for that disagreement to separate.

    God bless you, brother, you are loved,
    K

  70. Carolyn says:

    Teresa, thanks for your comment. We are on the same page with chewing and spitting out the bones. No strange meat for me.
    Speaking of books that bring the discernment radar alive, I also had a very nasty experience when I was reading a book that I picked up at a friend’s. It was a book about a dominant gland dietary plan (quite absorbing)… but tucked into it’s philosophies were instructions for transcendental meditation (unbeknownst to me). After reading, I went to bed happy as a clam. But in the middle of the night, I had a wake up call that I was treading on Satan’s territory. I immediately knew it was the book and threw it into our fireplace and began praising the Lord. It was about two hours before the horrible smell and strange paralysis left me. Since then I am more careful about what I read.

  71. Teresa says:

    @ Carolyn

    Thank you Carolyn. Your honesty and knowledge of the Bible blesses me.

    I am not saying that the Frank Viola book “Pagan Christianity” isn’t OK. I know now why the LORD impressed in my heart to get rid of the book. Frank V is involved with the New Apostolic Reformation and the Emergent Church. I bought the book at the time because I thought it would help me with my research.
    The Holy Spirit arrested me several times to stop reading man’s books, instead of reading God’s word. I listened for a while. I began to read man’s books again, instead of the Bible. The second time I listened and obeyed.
    I have read “Truth War” by John MacArthur and that is about all.

    The Holy Spirit leads us, guides us into all truth and we must listen and obey!!!!!!

  72. Grant says:

    You know Sid Roth is kinda like an Ed Sullivan for the Elijah List group-
    it would make for a cool reality based TV show to have Barbie with Joshua Mills, David Herzog and the other all stars that have portaled, translated, had angel chariot rides etc live in a house for a month and just film these guys in real time and see what kind of doctrine you may gone with afterwards.

    Maybe the term reality based TV would be a bit of a stretch

  73. As I read this the scripture came to me that we are in the world, but not of the world. We ar to come our from the world. This woman is New Age and has refused salvation through Christ. She will lead others to fal into the snares and traps of Satan. Do not heed her voice nor cry out to her for healing or interpretation of dreams. Let God interpret your dreams for you.

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