Stand Up for Truth posted an article in which Jay Bakker, pastor of Revolution Church in New York City, and son of televangelist Jim Bakker and Tammy Fay Messner, is quoted as saying:
“Yes, I am definitely questioning the atonement and trying to discover how we can see it in a different way. We’ve got this image of God who needs some sort of flesh, some sort of blood, that needs some sort of vengeance to pay for sin. My experience of a loving God who’s asked me to love my enemies – this isn’t a God that demands something before you are accepted. I think Jesus died because Jesus was inclusive. God is inclusive. I think that the idea of God somehow being separated from us was more man’s idea.”
Jay Bakker doesn’t understand the concept of original sin, and without that, you cannot accurately preach the substitutionary atonement, or handle God’s Word properly. As a result, everything Jesus came to fulfill on His mission is lost in a deceptive message like his. Without atonement, there is no salvation! The Jesus that Jay Bakker teaches is a false Jesus, it is not the Jesus of the Bible.
Here is another quote from Bakker, but this one is regarding the afterlife:
As for the afterlife, is it something that I hope for? That’s one of those unknowns. I don’t know. So I’m going to live my life here. A friend of mine was once asked “do you believe in life after death?” and he said “I believe in life before death, learning how to live life in the here and now, learning how to love my neighbors now and to love my enemies now.”
I really don’t believe in hell, but I hope for heaven.
You can catalog Bakker right up there with heretics Brian McLaren and Rob Bell (among others).
Ya know, the wolves aren’t even disguising themselves as sheep any more. The church has thrown the doors wide open and are letting the wolves in. Is it any wonder the sheep are being slaughtered?
Click here for the rest of the article at Stand Up for the Truth.
I was going to reply with a “How dare he” but then I knew that is how the apostate people think and believe….all we can do is pray to God for him that the heavy scales would be removed, and that if he is going to be teaching this that people would doubt what he is saying, and read the Word for themselves. Romans One states they can believe the lie.. and he (Jay) and he has been blinded.
wow scarey he is a pastor pray for him and the people he is going to speak to….fran
Without the shedding of blood, there is no redemption. The Scriptures are adamant on that issue. There is no reason for debate. Either a person accepts the truth of the Gospel or they choose to look a different way to approach God. Anyone who disputes the necessity of the Redemption for sinful man, brings the integrity of God into question.
“Jay Bakker doesn’t understand the concept of original sin” true statement and he does not understand because he must not read the Word. If he doesnt repent, he will believe in hell when he gets there.
Hi guys! I read the whole article; for me, I prefer to wait, check stuff out, pray and whatever it takes and then to respond and not sound like a jerk, which sometimes I may. Whatever, I won’t bash Mr. Bakker, but the wolves do lurk.
Let’s look at Luke 1:1-4, especially verse 4; even though St. Luke (do not bother me with the “Saint” reference, please) was talking to Theophilus, we can summarize that the knowledge and wisdom in the holy scriptures applies to us in 2013: “…so that, you may know the certainty of things you have been taught.” The Word of God does not change.
Taught what? It begs the question. Figure it out… the basic, first teachings, the knowledge that the atonement of Christ on the cross is and always will be the perfect answer and the only answer to our salvation and eternal life with Him. Period.
And, just for the sake of qualifying the thought of God’s never ending love for us, check out St. John 3:17, “For God did not send His son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him.”
So, that’s that! I’m satisfied with that and that’s enough for me.
How about you?
God love ya all,
K
How dare we presume to know more than God. I don’t know why God demanded a blood sacrifice, but He did. I don’t know why God sent His only begotten Son to be our atonement-yes, Jay, OUR atonement, to die for us and our miserable sinful state, but HE did.
God demanded a blood sacrifice because the wages of sin is death. Our death would profit little, but the death of one who was without sin… wow! Without the substitutionary atonement, the shed blood of Christ Jesus, the spotless lamb and supreme sacrifice, there would be no remission of sin.
Currently I’m studying the book of Hebrews. The atonement is so central to just this one book of the Bible. I am deeply concerned as I see various emergents eviscerating the doctrines of Christianity: Hell, Jesus as the only way to salvation, and now the Atonement. I simply wish they would just go create their own religion – that’s what they are trying to do by hijacking Christianity. We must heed the words of Jude and “earnestly contend” for the faith.
Without the shedding of blood, there would be no remission of sin-understood-the point I was making was when one really thinks about it, why blood, why a death-our ways are not His ways and that was the way He chose to forgive sinful man.
are YOU SERIOUS???? WHO IS this Guy?/ and why are people listening to him…. how far have people fallen from the truth!!!!….God Help …
Well I pray that this man comes to the truth of the word of God because much of his reasoning is confused; he does not demonstrate a sound biblical knowledge. He talks about the merit in doubting Gods word and says that faith is not belief, whilst it is necessary for believers to understand what we believe and why the word of God is clear “Forever O Lord thy word is settled in heaven” Palam119, we are admonished to study and rightly divide the word to gain understanding. It is not Gods word that needs to change but us; God’s ways are higher than our ways so it is necessary to study his word to gain;to not believe in hell but hope for heaven is a statement I expect from an unbeliever.This man doesn’t sound as if he is clear about what he believes and if that is the case how can he lead anyone.
I agree, why do people even give this man the time of day? Seriously, people who choose to follow him, why do they call themselves “Christians”? For a “leader” to question the things of God..shows that he does not have the true calling of God. Wolves in sheep’s clothing and they are leading people astray.
I just read RC Sproul’s book, “The Truth of the Cross” which explains why the atonement is necessary. But I doubt that Jay Bakker would even bother giving it a look.