Rick Warren: Christians and Muslims Serve the Same God?

The Orange County Register carries the story of Rick Warren’s latest endeavor, a new effort dubbed, the King’s Way.

Here is how the OC Register describes it:

The Rev. Rick Warren, pastor of Saddleback Church in Lake Forest and one of America’s most influential Christian leaders, has embarked on an effort to heal divisions between evangelical Christians and Muslims by partnering with Southern California mosques and proposing a set of theological principles that includes acknowledging that Christians and Muslims worship the same God.

The men presented a document they co-authored outlining points of agreement between Islam and Christianity. The document affirms that Christians and Muslims believe in “one God” and share two central commandments: “love of God” and “love of neighbor.” The document also commits both faiths to three goals: Making friends with one another, building peace and working on shared social service projects. The document quotes side-by-side verses from the Bible and the Koran to illustrate its claims.

Some of Rick Warren’s most staunch defenders may attempt to defend him by claiming he’s making it possible to reach these Muslims with the Gospel of Jesus Christ.  Not so.  Jihad Turk, director of religious affairs at a mosque in Los Angeles, had this to say:

“We agreed we wouldn’t try to evangelize each other,” said Turk. “We’d witness to each other but it would be out of ‘Love Thy Neighbor,’ not focused on conversion.”

This is all a part of Rick Warren’s PEACE plan – Warren’s effort to perfect the world without the saving grace of Jesus Christ, as if somehow solving all of society’s ills will make this world a better place.  An effort that will end in no one being saved, and all being led further down the path of destruction.  Humanism is not the power of God to salvation, the gospel is – and it cannot be compromised.

Special Note:  In the article, Rick Warren denies rumors that he is promulgating a new religion called Chrislam.  Warren says:

The “rumor is 100 percent false,” Warren wrote at Pastors.com, a website he founded that provides practical advice to church leaders. “My life and ministry are built on the truth that Jesus is the only way, and our inerrant Bible is our only true authority.”

What Warren’s statement does NOT do, however, is contradict the document authored by one of Saddleback’s pastors, Abraham Meulenberg, and Jihad Turk, director of religious affairs at a mosque in Los Angeles.  This document, according to theOrange County Register,”The document affirms that Christians and Muslims believe in “one God” and share two central commandments: “love of God” and “love of neighbor.”

To read the whole article, please click here.

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64 Responses to Rick Warren: Christians and Muslims Serve the Same God?

  1. Pamela says:

    TBN censored Jack Van Impe’s program last year because he mentioned Crislam and Rick Warren’s efforts. At the end of the matter Jack Van Impe pulled his program permanently off of TBN and quickly replaced it with way more stations for about 1/2 the monies paid to TBN. I do not know if Jack Van Impe still has his comments about this on his website or not. He mentioned that TBN told some lies about what went on behind the scenes. The official word was that they do not allow any preacher to use a bully pulpit against another preacher. That was obviously NOT the reason if anyone knows anything about Jack Van Impe’s ministry. He is ‘beating up on preachers’ constantly depending on what is hot in Christianity. I do not endorse a good bit of his teaching but on this matter I agree with him 100%. At least he did not bow down to the watered down gospel message being presented on TBN. I will give him that.

  2. DMG says:

    Please note that Warren responded to this news article. All in all Warren does not promote the gospel and promotes a global religion agenda. Warren is also an advisor on the Tony Blair Faith (interfaith!) Foundation. That speaks volumes. One other issue that is concerning is that Pastor John Piper calls Warren his “brother in Christ”… .so.. who are we to believe is their “father” (not small “f”)

    Thank you.

  3. Tom Kovach says:

    Such documents are a careful parsing of words, as opposed to working to “rightly divide the Word of Truth”.

    Technically, it is true that Christians and Muslims EACH believe in “one god”. But, we do NOT believe in the SAME one God.

    As my book, “Tribulation: 2008″ explains, promoting the lie that Allah is the same as God is part of the larger strategy of Satan to deceive many and turn people away from the One True God.

  4. allen howell says:

    Rick Warren is an idiot. Surah 18:2, “and to warn those who say, ‘God has taken to himself a son; they have no knowledge of it, they nor their fathers; a monstrous word is it, issuing out of their mouths; they say nothing but a lie.’ John 3:16 says God has a son. Does God figuratively speak out of both sides of His mouth? And what about that online video that appeared where Rick described Syria as a country with a tolerant government? What a bad joke! Warren belongs in the evangelical hall of shame.

    • Pam says:

      I,m so glad to see some do know the truth! Alma 26 says not to be friends with Christians or Jews that can’t be converted to Islam.

  5. Jay says:

    Lets not for get the BLASPHEMOUS prayer that Rick Warren uttered at Obama’s inauguration when he referred to Jesus as “Isa” (an Islamic reference to Christ).

    This guy is such a joke and I believe that he is a part of God’s judgement on our nation

  6. Barry says:

    Warren and anyone associated with him need to wake up and realize that the war is on and whos side are they on,clearly this article is living proof that he has departed the faith and is promoting another gospel that will lead people into a Christless eternity,he doesnt realize that he stands opposed to the cross and everything it stands for,and so do those who stand with him.We who stand upon the truth of the cross and that one must come the way of the cross or there is no salvation are considered enemies,make no mistake,lines have been drawn and will continue to be drawn,give heed to the word of the Lord,who is on the Lords side draw here to me and we know the rest of the story.They need to be warned!

  7. ian vincent says:

    Warren has “….embarked on an effort to heal divisions between evangelical Christians and Muslims….”
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    But the division IS The Son of God.

    HE, HIMSELF is the division between true Christianity and everything else, and all religion, dead Christianity included.

    The only possible way to “heal the division” is to remove the source of that division, the Son of God, Jesus Christ.

  8. gracealone1 says:

    It’s official!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    RICK WARREN IS A HERETIC
    I hope that these is no one so bereft of Gospel wisdom that they will try to excuse this or come to RW’s defence.

    Darrel

  9. Paula Coyle says:

    yeah Rick said on the OC register comments section:
    Rick Warren · Lake Forest, California
    I deeply love my Muslim neighbors but this article contains multiple errors – factually and theologically that neither our dear friends in the Muslim Community nor the Christians at Saddleback Church would agree with.
    Reply · 16 · Like · Follow Post · 17 hours ago

    But of course, no specifics on what the errors are.

    (Clever liars give details, but the cleverest don’t)

  10. Sean says:

    Red alert! Activate damage control:

    http://lakeforest-ca.patch.com/articles/pastor-s-alleged-connections-with-muslim-sparks-controversy

    Warren:
    ” ….. this article contains multiple errors – factually and theologically that neither our dear friends in the Muslim Community nor the Christians at Saddleback Church would agree with.”

    However, he did not elaborate on any such errors, even after other commenters called on him to do so.

  11. Arie says:

    the statement says: ‘muslims and christians worship ONE God’.
    So, that isn’t the same God….

    • Singleservant says:

      Ok think about it, if you agree there is ONE God then you are agreeing to ONE and the SAME GOD. You can’t say we believe in ONE God but different gods, hence the ONE. Open your eyes a little wider, its a play on words, politicians do it all the time.

  12. mywordlikefire says:

    Thank you for this article. So much is happening so fast.

  13. Annunk says:

    Rick’s made it clear which god He serves.
    Why bother posting about him anymore? He’s like Joel Osteen or Tony Campolo or a lot of others. I.e. one big waste of breath anymore.

    Author: Keep up the good work.

  14. Doug says:

    Rick Warren might want to read the Bible once in a while, just to brush up. Note that in the article he is called one of “America’s most influential pastors.” One of America’s, but not one of God’s most influential pastors.
    Can you witness to a Muslim? Yes-it’s done often. But can you witness to a Muslim whom you already call ‘brother’? What would you witness to him or her about?

  15. Jesus Wins says:

    I have nothing to say except this(It’s a saying we use here in Nigeria and pardon me if it seems a little crass)- The wind has blown and we’ve seen ‘Purpose Driven Drivel’s rump!

  16. sandra says:

    I have read a lot on Rick Warren is say anything all he wants. But from his actions and what comes out of his mouth and programs he sets up I believe he is build the One World Church.

  17. Thom says:

    I am not a member of Rick Warren’s church or an ardent follower. However, in his defense, he did not say that Christians and Muslims worship the same God. He said that they worship “one” God. That is true. Christians worship the true God of the Bible and Muslims worship a false God, Allah. While saying “one” God is pretty close to crossing the line, I’m not sure that it is something that we should divide over. Disagree? Maybe. Divide? No.

  18. Carolyn says:

    Rick Warren says…“My life and ministry are built on the truth that Jesus is the only way, and our inerrant Bible is our only true authority.” What??? Everything he says and does contradicts this statement. He has partnered up with the devil and the deep including the adversaries of Christ in order to gain his pope-ularity.

    If we lived in the time of Revelation 13, he would fit the description of a beast in verse 11, that had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke as a dragon. Warren supposedly represents Christianity but when he speaks, he really doesn’t. He has something else in mind…. perhaps socialism, perhaps mysticism, perhaps Romanism, perhaps Chrislam…and yes, methinks he doth protest too much. He does exactly what he says he’s not doing.

    Those who are listening to this man are being led away from the Word of God in the most benevolent and imaginative ways…down a dark, slippery, broad lane of works oriented, ecumenical and apostate Christianity. Sad but true, Warren does not speak according to the Word of God. He has led the way for Christianity to meld into mystical imaginations and aspirations of divinity and has been empowered by some kind of diabolical, dragon-ian brilliance that is leading the world and Christianity into a false alliance of faith.
    Isaiah 8:20
    To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
    The Word of the living God will be the one true light that will dispel the darkness around us and allow us to see clearly the delusion of the hour for what it is. Has it become the most important anchor for our soul so that we cannot be ensnared by the lies of the the one speaking as a dragon?

  19. Craig says:

    No surprise. Back in 2007 Muslim clerics drafted A Common Word Between Us and You and addressed it to ‘Christian’ leaders around the globe. Later that year (or the beginning of ’08) Yale Divinity School composed Loving God and Neighbor Together:
    A Christian Response to A Common Word Between Us and You
    which was then signed by a wide array of ‘Christian’ leaders. The document referred to Muhammad as “Prophet Muhammad” with Jesus Christ never once being referred to as God’s Son, Savior, etc. Signatories include Rick Warren, Rick Hybels, Brian McLaren, David Yonggi Cho, Richard Mouw (Fuller Theological), Rich Nathan (Vineyard), Berton Waggoner (Vineyard), Leith Anderson (National Association of Evangelicals), David Neff (Christianity Today), John M. Buchanan (The Christian Century), Robert Schuller, Lynn Green (YWAM), etc.

  20. Craig says:

    Here are some key quotes from the above ‘Response':

    When Freedom to worship God according to one’s conscience is curtailed, God is dishonored, the neighbor is oppressed, and neither God nor neighbor is loved.

    As if there’s one universal ‘god’.

    Abandoning all “hatred and strife,” we must engage in interfaith dialogue as those who seek each other’s good, for the one God unceasingly seeks our good. Indeed, together with you we believe that we need to move beyond “a polite ecumenical dialogue between selected religious leaders” and work diligently together to reshape relations between our communities and our nations so that they genuinely reflect our common love for God and for one another.

    Can’t we all just get along? We all worship the same ‘god’ anyway, don’t we?

    • Tom Kovach says:

      No, we DO NOT all worship the same god.

      Jews worship Yehowah (the “proper name” of God the Father). Christians worship Yehowah and Yeshua (the “proper name” of God the Son).

      Muslims worship Allah — the pagan moon-god of Mesopotamia, the son of the sun-god Baal.

      So, no, there is not, nor can there be, a “common love of God”, because THEY do NOT love God. (At least, not the God of the Holy Bible.)

      Read the verses in the Qur’an that condemn those who believe that God has a Son that came in the flesh. Read the verses in the Qur’an that command the seizure of Jerusalem. Read the verses in the Qur’an that refer to the Jews and Christians as “the sons of apes and pigs”. Read the verses in the Qur’an that command the Muslims to “slay the unbelievers wherever they live”. (When they say “unbelievers”, they mean people that do not believe in Allah — as opposed to people that do not believe in God.)

  21. gracealone1 says:

    This issue with RW is the most serious issue before believers today. It is a direct frontal assault against the diety of the Lord Jesus Christ. According to scripture Jesus is the one and only God, the second person of the Triune God. As such, He is the only access to the Father. In order for man to have a right standing with the Father and not await His eternal wrath, man must come to the Father ONLY through Jesus Christ. For Rick Warren or anyone else to dilute, change, delete, or add to the exclusivity of Jesus Christ as the one and only Savior (thereby being the only access man has to God) is blatant heresy.
    For too many years we in America have tolerated smooth talkers-the list is long and growing-who soothe their audience with pleasant words and amass a huge and loyal-to-the-death following. After the bait has been swallowed, the trap is sprung and the true identity of the man (or woman) is revealed: a deceiver, a liar, a wolf in sheep’s clothing. Problem is the loyal-to-the-death followers refuse to see “their man” for what he is and continue in his lies. Instead of repenting for following a deceiver, they hurl insults and accusations against those who would expose the lies and by doing so become twice the child of hell as the one they would follow (Matt. 23:15).

    The exclusivity and deity of Jesus Christ has been attacked by Rick Warren and all those who continue to make excuse for him and support him. This IS another gospel and according to Gal. 1:6-10 it is Rick Warren who should be pronounced “accursed” and not just the message he is spouting. There is no middle ground here or room for compromise. It is impossible to believe that the God of the Bible and this false god allah are one in the same and yet be born again-II Cor. 13:5.

    Darrel

    • Singleservant says:

      Amen!! I used to wonder how Christians, believers who love Jesus could be deceived so easily and you have pointed that out very well. That’s why when, as soon as I hear any preacher say something contrary to the Word of God, I take notice. And that’s why it is so important not to elevate any preacher, speaker, pastor to a place where they can speak no wrong. All are human and subject to deception and error, we must always, always measure every word spoken by our leaders with the Word of God, always without exception, and we must never make excuses when that Truth is compromised.

    • Teresa says:

      Well said my friend…..well said! Amen! Amen! Amen!

  22. Pastor Doug Forsyth says:

    Here with article about Rick Warren and Muslims.

    Hope you have a great day!

    Love and regards

    Robynne

    P.S. Am praying for your uncle.

  23. Craig says:

    Carolyn, you wrote, Rick Warren says…“My life and ministry are built on the truth that Jesus is the only way, and our inerrant Bible is our only true authority.”

    Well, Warren could be quite adept at double-speak. The first question in which to ascertain an answer is “Which Jesus?” In Theosophy/New Age Master Jesus is the current World Teacher providing illumination who will eventually give way to the next World Teacher in the Aquarian Age of which we’re very near according to New Agers. And, Theosophy/New Age also uses the Bible – distorting it of course.

  24. Craig says:

    Thom, you wrote, I am not a member of Rick Warren’s church or an ardent follower. However, in his defense, he did not say that Christians and Muslims worship the same God.

    The document I reference [Feb 29 7:30am] above, which Warren signed, states that ‘Christians’ and Muslims worship the same god.

  25. Craig says:

    Tom Kovach,

    I hope you see I was being facetious with the last line of my post at Feb 29 7:36am.

  26. Barry says:

    The path to eternal life is narrow,the path to eternal destruction is broad,Warren has just helped to make the broad path more broader.

  27. Carolyn says:

    Thom, we’re not dividing over just one issue. It’s a division over Warren’s pernicious ways.
    I was reading today, a verse which Peter thought descriptive of false teachers.
    2 Peter 2:2
    And MANY shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
    per·ni·cious 
    1.causing insidious harm or ruin; ruinous; injurious; hurtful: pernicious teachings; a pernicious lie.
    2.deadly; fatal: a pernicious disease.
    3.Obsolete . evil; wicked.
    We aren’t just talking about someone who gets a few things wrong. We are talking about someone who is deadly to the body of Christ, who sees nothing wrong in teaching Roman Catholics on his site, the Purpose Driven methods of marketing success in order to increase disciples to Catholicism.
    We are talking about someone who is causing insidious harm and ruin to sheep who are listening to a false shepherd tell them that Bible study and prayer are not the way to bring evangelism to the world….interfaith techniques are a much better idea.
    And now marketing Islam as something we can make friends with for expediency.
    ….Pernicious ways.
    Is it important to make an division of the holy and the profane? Will Warren be held accountable for blurring the lines between good and evil, between anti-Christ religions and the true gospel, between the holiness of God and the embrace of alternate medicines and Catholic pagan rituals?…according to God’s Word, he will.
    Ezekiel 22 NIV
    26 Her priests do violence to my law and profane my holy things; they do not distinguish between the holy and the common; they teach that there is no difference between the unclean and the clean;
    KJ V
    26Her priests have violated my law, and have profaned mine holy things: they have put no difference between the holy and profane, neither have they shewed difference between the unclean and the clean,
    Warren’s departure from pure and uncorrupted Christian orthodoxy is endless.

  28. Carolyn says:

    Craig. I would agree with you that Warren is a master at double-speak.
    And, although he regards himself as a Christian pastor…I regard him as functioning much more in the realm of New Age. His roots and fruits give him away.

  29. lyn says:

    Remember back on ’09 when Warren prayed to Isa? { http://blog.christianitytoday.com/ctpolitics/2009/01/rick_warrens_in.html}
    This is the Muslim ‘Jesus'; their ‘Jesus differs greatly from the Jesus of the Bible. Here is ‘The biography of ‘Isa…
    {from http://www.answering-islam.org/authors/durie/islamic_jesus.html}

    “According to the Qur’an, ‘Isa was the Messiah. He was supported by the ‘Holy Spirit’. (Al-Baqarah 2:87; Al-Ma’idah 5:110) He is also referred to as the ‘Word of Allah’. (An-Nisa’ 4:171)

    ‘Isa’s mother Mariam was the daughter of ‘Imran, (Âl ‘Imran 3:34,35) — cf the Amram of Exodus 6:20 — and the sister of Aaron (and Moses). (Maryam 19:28) She was fostered by Zachariah (father of John the Baptist). (Âl ‘Imran 3:36) While still a virgin (Al-An’am 6:12; Maryam 19:19-21) Mariam gave birth to ‘Isa alone in a desolate place under a date palm tree. (Maryam 19:22ff) (Not in Bethlehem).

    ‘Isa spoke whilst still a baby in his cradle. (Âl ‘Imran 3:46; Al-Ma’idah 5:110; Maryam 19:30) He performed various other miracles, including breathing life into clay birds, healing the blind and lepers, and raising the dead. (Âl ‘Imran 3:49; Al-Ma’idah 5:111) He also foretold the coming of Muhammad. (As-Saff 61:6)

    ‘Isa did not die on a cross’…

    Christians and Jews have corrupted their scriptures. (Âl ‘Imran 3:74-77, 113) Although Christians believe ‘Isa died on a cross, and Jews claim they killed him, in reality he was not killed or crucified, and those who said he was crucified lied (An-Nisa’ 4:157). ‘Isa did not die, but ascended to Allah. (An-Nisa’ 4:158) On the day of Resurrection ‘Isa himself will be a witness against Jews and Christians for believing in his death. (An-Nisa’ 4:159)

    Christians should accept Islam, and all true Christians will

    Christians (and Jews) could not be freed from their ignorance until Muhammad came bringing the Qur’an as clear evidence (Al-Bayyinah 98:1). Muhammad was Allah’s gift to Christians to correct misunderstandings. They should accept Muhammad as Allah’s Messenger, and the Qur’an as his final revelation. (Al-Ma’idah 5:15; Al-Hadid 57:28; An-Nisa’ 4:47)

    Some Christians and Jews are faithful and believe truly. (Âl ‘Imran 3:113,114) Any such true believers will submit to Allah by accepting Muhammad as the prophet of Islam, i.e. they will become Muslims. (Âl ‘Imran 3:198)

    Although Jews and pagans will have the greatest enmity against Muslims, it is the Christians who will be ‘nearest in love to the believers’, i.e. to Muslims. (Al-Ma’idah 5:82) True Christians will not love Muhammad’s enemies. (Al-Mujadilah 58:22) In other words, anyone who opposes Muhammad is not a true Christian.

    Christians who accept Islam or refuse it

    Some Jews and Christians are true believers, accepting Islam: most are transgressors. (Âl ‘Imran 3:109)

    Many monks and rabbis are greedy for wealth and prevent people from coming to Allah. (At-Taubah 9:34,35)

    Christians and Jews who disbelieve in Muhammad will go to hell. (Al-Bayyinah 98:6)

    Muslims should not take Christians or Jews for friends. (Al-Ma’idah 5:51) They must fight against Christians and Jews who refuse Islam until they surrender, pay the poll-tax and are humiliated. (At-Taubah 9:29) To this may be added hundreds of Qur’anic verses on the subject of jihad in the path of Allah, as well as the ‘Book of Jihad’ found in all Hadith collections.”

    You can read more by going to the link provided at the forefront of this quote

    Why would any true man of God pray to a false god? Those who have the Spirit know the answer…

  30. Michael Carr says:

    The intial argument is false becuase we do not worship the same God, They worshiop ‘a’ God we worship the true God. There cannot be unity just dialogue, with an attmept at evangelisation, otherwise we mislead them into thinking they are fit for eternity.

  31. Joel Hoyt says:

    Hey, does anyone have a link or the full text of the actual document that the article is about? These are important things to be nitpicky about and I think getting the source material is the first obvious step. I’m very interested in reading it for myself.

  32. David Green says:

    Any Muslim worth his salt would turn and devour the likes of Rick Warren the moment he lost his usefulness.

  33. yochanan says:

    It would be one thing if this is an acknowledgment that both Christianity and Islam are monotheistic faiths, the ONE GOD, being that they share a belief in one deity, which could be said for Judaism and even the Pharaoh Akhenaten/Amenhotep IV who believed solely in Ra, the sun god. It is a huge problem if this ONE GOD is an affirmation that the God of the Bible, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the same as Allah of Islam. The “God” that Muhammad was a prophet for was not the God that Ishmael learned about from Abraham. I want to look further into where Pastor Warren stands on these 2 very different takes on the affirmation of ONE GOD between Christians and Muslims.

  34. Carolyn says:

    Also, Craig, as you said…Which Jesus? When I came out of the Mel Gibson’s Passion of Christ when it first came out, my friend was emotional and completely smitten by the Jesus portrayed in the movie. I was bewildered. I said, “That is not the Jesus that I’m familiar with from the Scriptures.” Now I know a lot more than I did then about the stations of the cross, Catholic doctrine and the mysticism that is the heart and soul of the movie. It was a different Jesus.

    When I listen to Rick Warren I have the same feeling. Bewilderment. His portrayal of God and Christ are not familiar to me. First of all it is a different Father that he portrays….one who is made in the image Rick Warren, amiable, a completely man centred, friendly God who is wholly committed to serve us and make our lives alive with hope and possibility thinking.

    Note: Schuller’s impacts on the roots of Purpose Driven theology are tangible. And not just Schuller, but a multitude of other New Ager’s imprints as well. No wonder it is a completely changed “Jesus”.

    The ordained Word of God paints a different picture of God…He is holy. We are here to serve him. And he is not approachable except on his terms, through his Holy and Unchangeable Word, Christ Jesus.

    It is indeed a different Jesus that is portrayed by the Purpose Driven Bible. The leaven of his reinvented Christianity is permeating the batch. I really believe that blindness is a judgement on those who wanted something better than Christ. You cannot make perfection better. And Christ is the perfect sacrifice, the perfect resurrected Lord, perfect in majesty, perfect in truth and perfect in wisdom. Substituting a Purpose Driven Bible for a Perfect Living Word has brought blindness to all who wanted something better than the Jesus that the Father gave us.

    • Craig says:

      Also, keep in mind that Warren was under C. Peter Wagner at Fuller Theological Seminary:

      http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/ditc12-10.html#feature

      Title: NEW CHURCHES FOR A NEW GENERATION: CHURCH PLANTING TO REACH BABY BOOMERS. A CASE STUDY: THE SADDLEBACK VALLEY COMMUNITY CHURCH (CALIFORNIA)
      Author(s): WARREN, RICHARD DUANE
      Degree: D.MIN.
      Year: 1993
      Pages: 00413
      Institution: FULLER THEOLOGICAL SEMINARY, DOCTOR OF MINISTRY PROGRAM; 0790
      Advisor: Mentor: C. PETER WAGNER
      Source: DAI, 54, no. 03A, (1993): 0967

  35. Rev's Kate and Rich M. says:

    Plain and simple, Muslims and Christians do not serve the same God.

    I love and care deeply for my neighbors who prefer to serve their god.

    I will be available to show Jesus’ love and make it perfectly clear that I am a follower of Christ.

    Now, if they prefer not to be my friend or be a friendly neighbor, there’s not a heck of alot I can do.

    So, I will continue to be a good neighbor, be prayerful and go on living, hopefully, as Christlike as possible. K

  36. Kiwi Dave says:

    We all know that Rick Warren is an apostate and a false prophet. How? Not because of what our pastord have told us, or becuase it’s our personal opinion, but becuase we have the truth of the Word of God Himself, and he had the Apostle Paul give us this warning:

    The men presented a document they co-authored outlining points of agreement between Islam and Christianity. The document affirms that Christians and Muslims believe in “one God” and share two central commandments: “love of God” and “love of neighbor.” The document also commits both faiths to three goals: Making friends with one another, building peace and working on shared social service projects. The document quotes side-by-side verses from the Bible and the Koran to illustrate its claims.”

    This is what the scriptures are very clear about regarding such a “treaty” or “agreement”:

    “Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 15And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.” II Corinthians 6:14 – 18 KJV

    Now regarding the claimed belief in One God, the Apostle James also gave us this warning:

    “Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.” James 2:19 KJV

  37. Mickey Merrie says:

    He is a paid hireling of the prince of this world who rules men by false religion, false government, and false/fiat currency.
    Think of 3 sovereign Citystates in the world today, and who/what they represent…

    Go ahead, I will give you time…

    Think of any yet?

    Vatican City in Rome is #1 and it heads up the religious component. Now, tell me what comes out of a harlot, but daughters…Getting the picture? What came out of the RC church.

    #2 is the City of London, which you should not confuse with actual London England, for this is the sovereign banking district. The one that daily fixes the prices on real money, that is gold and silver. Folks from here own most of the stock in the N.Y. Federal Reserve. The one that sets all monitary policy for the fiat U.S. dollar our current world’s reserve currency, backed by Washington DC’s promises to pay.

    That brings us to #3 Washington DC…Who runs the world’s police farce. (pun intended)
    See who sits on the boards of all major corporations and foundations, and who are the CFR and IMF.
    “Those who lead into captivity will be lead into captivity!” Ricky boy!

  38. Paul D. says:

    To be fair, if you ask ten different Christians to define God, they’ll give you ten incompatible definitions.

    The histrionics in this comment thread are amusing. “Allah” is just “God” in Arabic, and that is the same world that Arabic-speaking Christians (of which there are many!) use in their Bibles and in worship.

    • Craig says:

      Paul D.,

      If you ask an orthodox Christian believer who God is their answer will be the Trinitarian God of Father, Son and Holy Spirit. However, there are many other pretend-Christians or cults.

      Yes “Allah” means “God” in Arabic, but the question is how one defines God (as you state in your first paragraph). In Islam Jesus is merely a prophet/teacher and to call Jesus God is considered blasphemy. In Christianity Jesus is God the Son. To deny Jesus the Son is to deny the Father. Big difference between the two.

      The article I cite above [Feb 29 7:30 and 7:36] describes God universally rather than differentiating between the Christian Trinitarian God and the “Allah” of Islam. In fact, it seems to more expressly address Islam in a positive light as Muhammad is referred to as Prophet with a capital “T”. Christians do not recognize this “Prophet”. Therein lies the problem from a Christian perspective.

      One is certainly free to worship as they choose. It just doesn’t make one’s favored religion the correct one. Christianity and Islam are at odds with one another. Both can’t be right. I’m of the strong belief that Christianity is true while Islam is false.

    • Rob says:

      The true definition of “Allah”: http://www.inthenameofallah.org/Allah.html

      Learn the differences.

  39. JCSample says:

    The words “same god” used by the reporter were not used of Rick Warren or Jihad Turk. The words were “one god” which reflects accurately their mutual monotheistic roots. You collective rant is based on a reporting error.

    • Teresa says:

      “Same God” “one God” Reporting error my foot. Bottomline is this…. Rick Warren is a wolf in wolf’s clothing. Rick Warren preaches another Jesus, so therefore he preaches another gospel. Be warned……..

      JC you said: The words were “one god” which reflects accurately their mutual monotheistic roots. You collective rant is based on a reporting error

      Still not the “same God” Rick Warren does not serve or worship the “One True God” of the Bible…

  40. I think I see the next UniusLibri article title: “Healing the Wall”.

    There is supposed to be a division between Christians and Muslims. It’s called the Sheep Wall. It’s the thing the theif jumps over to come into the sheepfold. And, it is something that Jesus himself, as the shepherd of His sheep, built.

    Attempts to mitigate the wall are no different than attempts to climb over it.

  41. Street Preacher says:

    Mr Warren, like most of the modern church pastors, demonstrate the complete abandonment of Biblical Christianity that is so widespead today. I would even go so far as to suggest that these men and women are, most probably, unsaved or at worst in rebellion to the Lord and His commandments.
    Christians and Muslims do not worship the same God….. period. The differences between Jesus Christ and Allah are so numerous and varied, one could write books on the subject and still not cover them completely. The First commandment says, You shall have no other god’s before me. Jesus said, I am THE Way, THE Truth and THE Life, no man commeth unto the Father but by me! What part of these Scriptures do you not understand Mr Warren?

  42. Bud Press says:

    “One Lord, one faith, one baptism” (Ephesians 4:5). The God of the Bible is exclusive to the man-made “gods” of the world. Christianity is exclusive to the worldly belief systems. Jesus Christ is God Himself in human form, and the only way to salvation.

  43. Surah 18:2, “and to warn those who say, ‘God has taken to himself a son; they have no knowledge of it, they nor their fathers; a monstrous word is it, issuing out of their mouths; they say nothing but a lie. Alma 26 says not to be friends with Christians or Jews that can’t be converted to Islam.

    So actually, both men are “lying” to each other? In reality the “Turk” signed a document to get in the door to see if he can become a friend and convert? And Warren says the same thing? Are they not being deceptive with one another? Seems to me they are indeed tryting to convert each other under false pretenses.

  44. Jim Smith says:

    It seems pretty clear to me that Muslims and Christians do worship the same God, i.e., the God of Abraham. Does that mean that Muslims have saving faith in God? No. Does it mean that they agree on all the properties of God? Not by a long shot. It seems to me that there is a great deal of confusion here about the meaning of the word ‘worship’. James tells us that even the devils believe in God. Does that mean that they have saving faith? Of course not. To say that Muslims worship YHWH is to say that the believe in Him and direct prayers toward Him etc. It doesn’t mean that they’re saved. The hostility and intellectual dullness of many of these posts is extremely disturbing.

    • Craig says:

      Jim Smith,

      You are either intellectually dishonest or you just flat out don’t understand the difference between the “God” of the Muslims and the Trinitarian God of Christianity. The “God” Muslims worship is defined by their own religion which is quite at variance with the Christian Trinitarian God. It matters little that the term for “God” in Arabic is Allah; it’s all in how this “God” is defined. Muslims do not worship or direct their prayers to YHWH; their prayers and worship are directed to “Allah” instead – the one as defined in the Qu’ran/Koran.

      In English the term “God” refers to deity in a general way so that we can say the Hindu god, god of self, god of Santeria, etc., yet these are all quite obviously not the same god. However, as Christians when we use the term “God” in the context of the Bible as the Trinitarian one specifically. Muslims use “Allah” in a similar way, i.e., in general to denote the deity of other religions, yet when they are speaking about the God whom they serve they speak of the “Allah” as defined by the Qu’ran/Koran.

      You’ve apparently fallen prey to the Rick Warrenism (not sure who came out with this first) that Christianity, Judaism, and Islam are all the “Abrahamic faiths” as if we all worship the same God. This is not true.

  45. Rob says:

    Absolutely choose one below, you cannot have both:

    The Gospels of Jesus Christ, the Son of God and the Savior of the World (the Holy Bible).

    OR

    The shahada creed of Islam: “There is no god but Allah and Mohammed is Allah’s Messenger.” (the Koran).

    When I think of Islam and Mohammed, I think of Matthew 7:15. Look it up.

    Those who think we should accept Islam as part of God’s plans should learn its true history from a former Muslim Arab who studied the Koran for over 30 years: http://www.inthenameofallah.org/index.html

  46. Kiwi dave says:

    This article proves one and for all, without any questions or debate that Muslims and Christians do not worship or serve the “same God”. In this link below you will read Muslims themselves claiming that “Allah created homosexuals and lesbians and they must be supported and embraced in Islam”. Read for yourselves out the mouths of Muslims:

    http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2008/03/27/islam-039recognizes-homosexuality039.html

  47. barney clynch says:

    Just some thoughts on Rick Warren and the Chrislam movement:

    1. Rick Warren knows he is wrong over signing the document “a common word between us and you” in 2007 stating that the “God of the Koran and the God of the Bible” are the “same God”, yet he blames the media and Christian bloggers for holding him accountable over the facts that truly surround the events exposed through the article that appeared in the Orange Country Register. To put it plain and simple – Rick Warren has no right whatsoever to play the “blame game” by pointing fingers at other people who have done the right thing by exposing his lies and his heretical teachings/beliefs against the sound word of God. Listen to what God tells us in Numbers 32:23, “”But if you fail to do this, you will be sinning against the LORD; and you may be sure that your sin will find you out.” At this point, Rick Warren is so deep in heresy and lies, that his own sin is being exposed and finding him out in the public eye. It amazes me every time he contradicts himself and fails to practice what he preaches, he has to find some means to cover his “trail of lies” whether he points fingers at others or twists scripture to promote his own man-made platform of lies.

    2. Many people have also been misled over what is claimed as “setting the record” straight. After the article appeared in the Orange County Register, the Christian Post website hosted an interview conducted by Mr. Brandon Cox, one of his supporters in the ministry. Mr. Cox asked RW questions over what he “really believes” in “contrast” to the claims made through the newspaper article. Many people after reading the interview on the Christian Post were deceived into thinking that “the record has been set straight” through the “horse’s mouth”. Here are some issues and problems this presents:

    a. RW was interviewed by a source that supports his lies and heresies. So, of course, he is naturally going to give answers that “itch the ears” of his hearers. To only give “one side of the story” does an injustice to how he really believes and conducts himself. For example, if a source such as a ministry that has rightfully exposed his lies asked him hard questions as to why he has consistently contradicted himself (e.g., his lie on Larry King live over the Proposition 8 issue, his claim in the Purpose Driven Life book that New Age theology is a lie and not of the Lord, YET Saddleback church where he pastors hosts three doctors from the pulpit in 2011 that openly believe in New Age/Eastern mysticism beliefs, etc. etc.) I firmly believe if Rick Warren was asked difficult questions in a very firm and tactful manner related to his contradictions and lies, he would “break under pressure” and fail to practice what he claims he preaches. The unfortunate result of his interview on the Christian Post website is that people who are not reading God’s word and do not know God’s word will be blinded by the devil into believing the lie that the interview has done “justice” to what Rick Warren believes when in reality all it does is tell one side of the story that does not fairly expose his lies and contradictions from his books or speaking engagements to Muslim audiences.

  48. Ernie says:

    Warren is the “Romney” of Chritianity… he’ll say anything, to promote his own agenda.

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