Juanita Bynum Types in Tongues on Facebook

I was sent this news article from the Christian Post by a reader (thanks, Kevin).  The title of the article is “Televangelist Juanita Bynum Raises Brows With ‘Tongues’ Prayer on Facebook.”  As you might imagine, I was intrigued, so I read the article with great interest.

Here is a snippet from the article.

Pentecostal televangelist and self-professed prophetess Juanita Bynum has sparked curiosity among some Internet users and the Christian community for several comments on the minister’s Facebook page where she appears to type “in tongues.”

In a series of posts published on Aug. 17, on one of Bynum’s many Facebook pages, the minister typed messages where it was believed by commenters and critics that the she was praying in tongues.

In the first message time stamped 3:57 p.m., it appeared that Juanita Bynum II, the account holder for the Facebook page, started praying for Zachery Tims, the Florida megachurch minister who was found dead in a New York City hotel room on Aug. 12:

GOD WE PRAY FOR THE DESTINY CHURCH FAMILY….WE PRAY FOR THE STRENGTH OF PASTOR RIVA TIMS….MIGHTY GOD…GIVE US STRENGTH…..WE ARE THE BODY THAT FEELS THIS PAIN…..WE ALL FEEL IT…..COVER THE MINDS OF HIS CHILDREN…GRAB THEM UP IN YOUR ARMS LORD JESUS……BE A COMFORT TO THEM…..YOU ARE THE MANY BREASTED ONE….

The prayer continued in a second post with the same time stamp:

YOU ARE THE ROCK AND THE SHIELD AND THE ANCHOR…….WARD OFF ALL THE VULCHERS…WHO WILL COME FOR GREEDY GAIN AND NOT BE CONCERNED ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE HURTING IN THAT CHURCH……SEND THEM HELP FATHER…SEND THEM SPIRITUAL HELP THAT WOULD HELP TO HEAL THEM AND RESTORE THEIR LEGS IN YOU GOD!!!!!

Okay, other than the usual charismatic/prophetic language she always uses, there is no tongues in those posts.  However, as Bynum continues, things get much more interesting.  I was afraid these posts may disappear (as things sometimes do on the internet), so I took screenshots of the posts with the supposed tongues in them.  As you can see, for the next three-minutes Bynum gets wound up and continues to type her prayers, only now they’ve got (ahem) tongues in them.  Here we go….

My impression of those tongues?  Those are some LONG words she’s speaking/typing.  Not very many vowels either.  Did you notice?

Here is the second one:

You can’t even pronounce that word, much less speak it.  I mean, really!  How would you even begin to sound that out?

Quote number 3:

Quote number 4:

If I bowed in prayer and said, “Heavenly Father, BFBXFC BVRVBVBBRX…” well, no, I wouldn’t say that because I wouldn’t be ABLE to.

According to the article, Bynum hasn’t addressed the media attention these posts are getting.  What do you think she would say if she did?  “My fingers spoke in tongues?”

This isn’t tongues – this is gibberish.

If Bynum is going to attempt to make people believe she’s speaking in tongues, she could at least try to make it look something like actual words that can be pronounced.  Wouldn’t you think?

Thanks for sending this to me, Kevin.

Edited to add:  I was sent this link by another reader as well who I forgot to credit.  Thanks, Charity!!!!  I’m sorry I forgot to credit you!

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76 Responses to Juanita Bynum Types in Tongues on Facebook

  1. The Greek word used for “tongues” in the NT (1 Corinthians chapter 14 in particular) is glōssa (Strong’s# 1100), which means “the tongue, a member of the body, the organ of speech” (Thayer’s Lexicon). Thus, Acts 2: 4 explains:

    And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

    Did everybody notice the words, “speak” and “utterance” in connection with “tongues”? In case that is not sufficient to reveal my point, here is 1 Corinthians 14:2:

    For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries.

    In short: One CANNOT “type” with “tongues”… unless they want to get their keyboard really wet as they “type” with their “organ of speech.” (And if that is case, Juanita Bynum’s keyboard must be really nasty looking by now.)

    Always in Jesus,

    -Rich

  2. Steve Willing says:

    I would not say this is “jibberish.” This is either insanity or just an outright lie.

  3. L. Eugene Sparks says:

    I’ve been a Pentecostal believer my entire life. I have never heard of such a thing
    as transcribing the estatic language of the Holy Spirit. What would anyone make
    of the stream of letters that are not in language form. Tongues is the gift of the Holy
    Spirit for praise, edification, and speaking mysteries of God.

  4. Magnolia says:

    Well, I’m not surprised. It was just a matter of time before this started. I was raised in a traditional Pentecostal Church and it was a wonderful, sane, Christian place……. until the Charismatic Movement took over. After the Charismatic movement took over, you would not believe the confusion that literally came over the church, causing many problems and hurt feelings, and years later, the church finally split.

    Chrystal, I was reading a blog last night by Nathan Leal of The Watchman’s Cry, and I was overwhelmed by what I read. He truly calls it “like it is”, and I would like to share this with you. This is called “The Stupor of Laodicea – Megachurch Madness”:

    http://www.watchmanscry.com/article_Stupor_of_Laodicea%20.html

  5. Skywave20 says:

    Rich, ROFL! Thank you for a much needed laugh! I never cease to be amazed by all the goofy, foolishness in the “church.”

  6. Julie Helms says:

    Chrystal, you simply misunderstood the situation. She was typing, eyes closed in prayer, and her cat kept walking across the keyboard!! ;-)

  7. Bud Press says:

    Hi Chrystal:

    Juanita Bynum’s “tongue to keyboard” action is amazing. However, please permit me to share something in a known “tongue”:

    “Правдивые губы будут созданы навсегда, но лживый язык только на мгновение.”

    It’s Proverbs 12:19 in Russian. Here it is in English:

    “Truthful lips will be established forever, but a lying tongue is only for a moment.”

    God bless,
    Bud

  8. Kiwi Dave says:

    Many of these charismatics and petecostals are taught that when they speak in tongues they are
    ” talking to God in a secret code” to that the Devil can’t understand and can’t twart whatever they are praying. To justify that line of thinking and doctrine that use the verse quoted above by Rich:

    “For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.” I Corinthians 14:2 KJV

    So, has anyone tried applying the ROT-13 crptography cypher to whatever “secret” words the “prophetess” Juanita Bynum has typed that apparently only God can understand?
    This is nothing more than blasphemy, as the garbage she typed “…BFNCFURHFCRNR IN THE MIGHTY NAME OF….” is followed by the Name of Our Lord. Also, she typed everything with the
    caps lock on, which is indicative of her shouting, yelling or screamin!

    I also ran those letters though a Caesar Cypher with different combinations to see if any actual
    word or language is represented – and it’s nothing but tappng mindlessly on the keyboard.
    One would get more sense if their cat walked across the keyboard. Also, look at where those letters are on your keyboard, and you’ll get and indication of what she was doing.

    It also demontrates the fundamental ignorance of these self proclaimed “prophets”, and “bishops”
    and those “sheeple” in the WOF/NAR/IHOP movements as many will truly believe she was “typing
    in tongues” and see this garbage as some sort of “sign”. BTW, ..”WARD OFF ALL THE VULCHERS…” should have been “ward off the vultures”.

  9. Elizabeth A says:

    I think her fingers went into spasm with the excitement of her own words; either that or she was doing a typed equivalent of the kind of preaching she is very fond of, where there is an emphasis on the last letter of a sentence, followed by a gasp….is there a name for that? Or maybe her rather impressive jewellery weighed her down? Sigh…..

  10. Eli says:

    When the first church members spoke “tongues”, weren’t they speaking actual languages that they’d never been taught to speak before? Isn’t that what true biblical tongues are, right?? I think there’s a difference in speaking biblical tongues, and some of the gibberish we hear today (known as “prayer language” in some circles, and is SORELY abused). Not to mention what Paul said about having a witness to translate and if there was no one to translate, then the person should be silent. Right? When I attended a charasmatic church, i was told I had to “practice” speaking in tongues….say what?? I left soon after that.

  11. Might have been a little more convincing if she woulda been like, “shattah lah borrey tey lah may kay tah!!!” or something.
    This was just stupid. But as usual, the TBN crowd will not be bothered and will make excuses rather than waking up. It’s easier to hit “snooze” than get up…

  12. Rev's Kate & Rich M. says:

    Hey Bud Press–good to hear from you; been wondering where you’ve been. Love the Russian.

    Kiwi, you in the CIA? K :)

  13. Charity Rash says:

    I saw this a few days ago and was appalled by what I saw. I was also shocked that many of her facebook friends were commending her for this “prayer”. This makes you want to weep for the church.

  14. zford says:

    maybe her facebook was hacked? :)

  15. David says:

    Forget the tongues – what about “the many-breasted one”??? Would this not be Artemis/Diana (http://www.livius.org/ei-er/ephesus/ephesus_artemis.html). She is also known as “Mother of god” or “Queen of Heaven”. Check Jeremiah 7 and 44 for further information on this. Paul had a run-in with her worshipers in Acts 19.

    Further proof that these people are not worshiping the same God we are.

  16. Berakah says:

    I am NO fan of Ms Bynum, but @David, she does have a biblical basis for the “many breasted one” which in Hebrew is El Shaddai. It just gets crazier and crazier……

  17. Brian Phillips says:

    Hilarious…but sad. The worst part was how many people actually “liked” the prayers!
    Maybe it was “tongues code”? Perhaps we should be Dan Brown on this one.

  18. Brian Phillips says:

    Oh, and I agree with David! “Many-breasted one?” Woah!

  19. Bud Press says:

    If one wants to know what God says about stealing, all one has to do is refer to Exodus 20:15 and read, “You shall not steal”. It’s simple enough for a child to understand, much less adults, whose brains have fully matured.

    Modern-day speaking in “tongues” hinges on what God has already said in His written word. Acts chapter 2 clearly teaches that men from foreign countries heard others speak in their own languages.

    To simplify matters, Germans heard German; Russians heard Russian; Arabs heard Arabian, and so forth. Had we been there, we would have heard English, and would have understood them perfectly.

    Now, if God caused men to speak in foreign languages 2,000 years ago, who changed it to gibberish and babble, and reduced it to keyboard scribbling 2,000 years later? It certainly wasn’t God or the New Testament believers.

    Modern-day “speaking in tongues” is a natural consequence to believing in what man says, as opposed to trusting in what God has already said. Where is a valid foreign language in “BFBXFC BVRVBVBBRX”?

    In short, Benny Hinn is a hyper-heretic, false prophet, false healer, and blasphemer. He has pushed modern-day “speaking in tongues” for as long as I can remember. He spits-out his “tongues” faster than a speeding bullet. Yet, he still needs a language translator when he conducts crusades and meetings in a foreign country.

    And, why do Pentecostal and Charismatic missionaries need to be schooled in foreign languages prior to their mission?

    The answer is simple: They speak with “other tongues,” but what they are uttering is not the same as the Biblical, New Testament tongues found in Acts chapter 2.

    They should have trusted God…

    Bud Press

  20. TPR says:

    Typing Class 101: Keep your hands centered on the keyboard! Her hands probably came off the centered position when she likely began flailing & wailing in “intense prayer.” :)

    Great catch re Artemis/Diana as the many breasted one! I remember photos of her multi-breasted statue, now that you mention it. Maybe Juanita’s secret words are in ancient “Ephesian.” :)

    & lol at the jewelry weighing her down. Funny.

  21. Doug says:

    Magnolia said: “I was raised in a traditional Pentecostal Church and it was a wonderful, sane, Christian place……. until the Charismatic Movement took over.”
    I was in Pentecostalism for only a short time; I knew many good solid Christians in those churches who would have had nothing to do with today’s garbage of false worship. Even back then I could see things that troubled me, such as people so hopeful for ‘gifts’ that the focus wasn’t on what we could do for God, but what God would do for us.
    Magnolia, I think many of our Pentecostal brethren also miss the ‘sane’ days before the nuttiness started. Why they stay in those churches is beyond me, but part of it has to be love for the church that they grew up in. I came out of Lutheranism, so I’ve left a few denominations behind.

  22. Kiwi Dave says:

    @iseeitdifferently, she was even too lazy to use Klingon, Altarian or some other “unknown tongue”. Maybe the batteries in the Universal Translator went flat.

    @Kate, I can neither confirm nor deny….. ; – )

  23. Daffydil says:

    The very first line of the article says everything you need to know – “Pentecostal televangelist and self-professed prophetess Juanita Bynum…”. Self-professed. Self-centered. Self-truth. When we conduct our spiritual life with the attitude of being self propelled, that leaves little – if any – room for the TRUE Holy Spirit of God to do anything of worth through us. @Rich-Dude, hilarious!

  24. Revelation 2:5 says:

    Somebody needs to buy a VOWEL!!!!!!!!!!

    The people in the Church Folk Revolution began to confront this foolishness a couple a weeks ago by posting comments on her FB page (Juanita Bynum II). She has several other pages under different names … The Threshing Floor, Dr. Juanita Bynum, etc…. however those comments “calling her out” was the catalyst that eventually brought this to the attention of the media.
    Of course, those comments have been deleted (go figure).

    What’s more disturbing than “Texting Tongues” …. is the way these followers refer to Juanita Bynum by the terms ….. “mother, “mummie”, “mamma”, “mommie”, etc.
    Their devotion to her is similar to the followers of Jim Jones … remember the kool-aid?

    Pray for them .. may they come out from under the spell into the glorious freedom of Jesus Christ.

  25. Chrystal and Skywave20, thank you for the kind replies. :D

    @ Everybody: I thought everybody might enjoy my latest post, “Four Characteristics of Sound Doctrine.” It would seem to be quite apropos to this post about Juanita “tongue typing” Bynam, as well as the many other reports on Chrystal’s site about today’s religious nut cases.

    http://richvermillion.com/2011/09/04/four-characteristics-of-sound-doctrine/

    Enjoy! ;)


    Peace to the brethren, and love with faith, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. Grace be with all those who love our Lord Jesus Christ in sincerity. Amen.

    Always in Jesus,

    -Rich

  26. Expente Girl says:

    I left my facebook page open the other day and my two year played with my keyboard and accidentally posted something not unlike what she posted. Now that I have seen this, I know my two year old was typing in tongues! WOW! If people thought a 4 year old preacher was amazing, imagine what they will say when my toddler gets his interview on the news for his amazing gift of tongues typing.

  27. temitayo London says:

    Hello Richie Vermillion, shame on you! Are you a christian? Yes you are! Can i just say to tell you to please grow up. I mean, become a more matured christian. If a member of your family makes a mistake or does something you can’t explain or understand. The family is supposed to come together in prayer and sort out the matter. You don’t go out on the street or send a message on facebook about the problems you have in your family do you? Only children do that? Now the body of christ is a family. The woman you are tongue lashing is a member of the body of christ. so shut your trap and get on your knees and pray for her if you have any wisdom at all. Shameful. i’ll reply the other children later. Children because an heir as long as he is a child differs not from a servant.

  28. temitayo London says:

    Remember that God has not put the judgment of any preacher into the hands of any person. its much easier and safer to shut your trap when you don’t understand some spiritual things.Just shut up. By typing awful texts like the one’s you guys are doing, you automatically open a door for the enemy to attack. This is why xtians get sick, and have funny strange things happening to them because they touch God’s anointed ones with their tongues and pens. You know something? Let us say for example, Juanita Bynum is getting of track (which she is not at all) and thats a fact, irrespective of that, God is not happy that you tongue lash her. No Pastor or Christian worth his salt should ever do that. arent you taught that in your churches? Or are you being taught and just a rebellious bunch?
    Temitayo London

  29. Ken Silva says:

    Methinks that just maybe Juanita Bynum was, um, actually in the spirit(s)…if you catch my drift.

  30. Bud Press says:

    temitayo London:

    Although you have lost your right to post on this blog, in case you are reading this, I noticed that you used terms such as “shut your trap” and “Just shut up” to make your point and defend Juanita Bynum.

    Furthermore, in your last post you stated that, “God is not happy that you tongue lash her. No Pastor or Christian worth his salt should ever do that. arent you taught that in your churches? Or are you being taught and just a rebellious bunch?”

    You accuse others of tongue-lashing and rebellion, then state that “No Pastor or Christian worth his salt should ever do that.” Does the word HYPOCRITE ring a bell?

    Now, what do you think God thinks about that?

    Bud Press

  31. Dalescia says:

    It’s only cults stop people from expressing their point of view just because they disagree. Temitayo had a valid point. Touch not the lord’s anointed is what the bible says. And you all are saying that she called herself a prophet and not GOD. But did GOD tell you that or are you just being self righteous. If the spiritual warfare of the devil is changing then what is god going to do? You all are not serious.

  32. ian vincent says:

    Dear temitayo,

    You are saying that Christians should not test or judge anything other Christians do.

    Then you break your own rule by doing exactly that.

    Can you see the discrepancy?

    If you really believed it is wrong to criticize, then you wouldn’t criticize anyone, right?

    http://ianvincent.wordpress.com/

  33. Tom Butler says:

    So far, no one has interpreted her gibberish, as far as I can tell. If there is no interpreter, isn’t she violating Scripture guidelines?
    I Cor 14:28 “If there is no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church….”
    Oh, wait it says let HIM keep silence, not HER.
    Oh, wait, it says keep silent in the church, and this was not in church, it was on Facebook.

    Never mind.

  34. @Temitayo London:

    Okay…let’s sort this out by looking at your post in some detail. I am doing this because I care about your soul, and your post indicates it may be in jeopardy. (This will take 2 posts to completely cover, by the way.) Here is what you wrote:

    If a member of your family makes a mistake or does something you can’t explain or understand. The family is supposed to come together in prayer and sort out the matter. You don’t go out on the street or send a message on facebook about the problems you have in your family do you? Only children do that? Now the body of christ is a family. The woman you are tongue lashing is a member of the body of christ. so shut your trap and get on your knees and pray for her if you have any wisdom at all. Shameful.

    Now, am I a Christian? Yes I am, and you acknowledged that yourself.

    However, you are doing exactly opposite of what you just told me that I should be doing. You just posted a public message about me, and gave me a “tongue lashing.” In other words, you are NOT following your own advice!

    In logic, this is called the “fallacy of a double-standard.” You have applied one standard to me, and then another to yourself. This is unreasonable, and fallacious thinking. In Christianity, we call this “hypocrisy” because of verses like the following from Romans chapter 2:

    Therefore you are inexcusable, O man, whoever you are who judge, for in whatever you judge another you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things. (Romans 2:1)

    (Now, I did not commit that sin, because I do NOT practice what Juanita Bynum does…so I’m good on that, though you have surely slipped on that point.)

    Furthermore, your entire position is a self-contridiction. If you TRULY believe what you said, then why are you demonstrating the exact opposite? By publicly “rebuking” me for the “sin” of publicly rebuking Juanita Bynum, you just negated your own point.

    Moreover, you have demonstrated that you REALLY DO believe that a sin SHOULD be publicly rebuked, but by doing that you cancelled out the very criticism you lobbed at me for publicly rebuking Ms. Bynum. So if I committed a “sin,” then so did you. If what you did was NOT a sin, than neither is mine. You cancelled your own criticism by self-contradiction.

    Lastly (for this reply), you have descended into AT LEAST TWO other clear forms of fallacious thinking:

    You have committed a “Begging the Question Epithet Fallacy” by using emotional language in order to attempt to persuade others, rather than applying sound thinking and logic. Further, you avoided the issue at hand in the process. Is what Juanit Bynum did biblical? You never addressed the actual point of this thread, but evaded the question entirely.

    And you committed the “Ad Hominem Fallacy” by merely attacking me personally (i.e. without substantiating that I had done anything genuinely wrong), as you tried to shut me up, without EVER providing a good reason to substantiate why I should refrain from speaking out about the absurdities of Juanita Bynum (i.e. as she leads people into error and a stupid form of fanaticism).

    Thus, your argument lacks any real substance, and is nothing more than emotional venting. Logically, it is absurd.

    Now…we’ll get into its unbiblical nature within my next post…

    Always in Jesus,

    -Rich Vermillion

  35. @Temitayo London:

    Now, let’s get into your poor theology regarding holding ministers publicly accountable:

    The public rebuke of an errant minister (and especially wolves in sheep’s clothing) is in the hands of EVERY righteous minister of Christ, and even mature believers are not ministers. We are to call attention to the error and sins of false prophets and wayward “ministers.” In fact, this is something that we should ALL be doing regularly.

    From Genesis to Revelation, we find God’s men and women rebuking those in error. Here are only a few citations from the NT to substantiate this point:

    For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.” (John 3:20-21, NKJV)

    And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret. But all things that are exposed are made manifest by the light, for whatever makes manifest is light. (Ephesians 5:11-13, NKJV, emphasis mine)

    Do not receive an accusation against an elder except from two or three witnesses. Those who are sinning rebuke in the presence of all, that the rest also may fear. I charge you before God and the Lord Jesus Christ and the elect angels that you observe these things without prejudice, doing nothing with partiality. (1 Timothy 5:19-21, NKJV)

    Those are a few “precepts,” now for the examples we are to follow, each of which “names names” publicly:

    …having faith and a good conscience, which some having rejected, concerning the faith have suffered shipwreck, of whom are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I delivered to Satan that they may learn not to blaspheme. (1 Timothy 1:19-20, NKJV)

    But shun profane and idle babblings, for they will increase to more ungodliness. And their message will spread like cancer. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of this sort, who have strayed concerning the truth, saying that the resurrection is already past; and they overthrow the faith of some. (2 Timothy 2:16-18, NKJV)

    I wrote to the church, but Diotrephes, who loves to have the preeminence among them, does not receive us. Therefore, if I come, I will call to mind his deeds which he does, prating against us with malicious words. And not content with that, he himself does not receive the brethren, and forbids those who wish to, putting them out of the church. Beloved, do not imitate what is evil, but what is good. He who does good is of God, but he who does evil has not seen God. (3 John 1:9-11, NKJV)

    That last citation was from 3 John, which most Charismatics have not read past verse 2, “Beloved, I wish above all things that you mayest prosper, and be in health, even as your soul prospers.” But your soul will not prosper unless you realize that you need to first IDENTIFY those who are evil, and then cease to follow them. Juanita Bynum falls into this category, and EVERY righteous preacher of Christ has the responsibility BEFORE GOD to call her sins and absurdities to account…PUBLICLY.

    So in conclusion: You have demonstrated (1) That you are NOT familiar with the teachings of the New Testament in regards to ministerial qualifications (i.e. via your comments about Ms. Bynum); (2) Or with the subject of righteous confrontation of errant ministers; (3) That you have been swallowing “doctrines of demons” without truly thinking about what was being taught/preached to you (i.e. you have not turned on your reasoning to analyze those things, as your fallacious arguments above demonstrate clearly).

    Thus, I would encourage you to reconsider your own position, and to view the Bereans that Paul thought so highly of, as an example for you to emulate from here on out:

    And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews. These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. Therefore many of them believed… (Acts 17:10-12a, KJV)

    Otherwise, you are qualifying yourself among a VERY dishonorable and condemned group:

    But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away! For of this sort are those who creep into households and make captives of gullible women loaded down with sins, led away by various lusts, always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. Now as Jannes and Jambres resisted Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, disapproved concerning the faith; but they will progress no further, for their folly will be manifest to all, as theirs also was. (2 Timothy 3:1-9, NKJV, emphasis mine)

    In fact, you have already demonstrated the above. So I would encourage you to repent and get grounded upon the Word of God instead, as your “end” cannot be good if you die while living among this crowd of damned apostates that was described above.

    Always in Jesus,

    -Rich Vermillion

  36. anastasis says:

    Magnolia,

    I’ve been studying recent church history, and despite their protestations to the contrary, the charismatic movement was definitely the product of a deliberate plan by pentecostals to get their beliefs and practices into the wider church. The history of pentecostalism is full of all sorts of questionable things. In addition, prior to the charismatic movement, pentecostalism was viewed by mainstream evangelicals as a heretical sect, no different to mormons or jehovah’s witnesses, which had deviated so far from orthodox christianity that they were considered heretics. So the belief you’ve expressed that “pentecostal = good, charismatic = bad” isn’t something that stands up to close examination.

    I’ve sadly had to conclude that pentecostals and charismatics share the same foundation, and one that is not the Word of God.

  37. Kiwi Dave says:

    When temitayo London attempted to defend her idol Juanita Bynum, especially attacking Rich Vermillion, I couldn’t help but notice this comment:

    You know something? Let us say for example, Juanita Bynum is getting of track (which she is not at all) and thats a fact, irrespective of that, God is not happy that you tongue lash her. No Pastor or Christian worth his salt should ever do that.

    That accusation is in direct contradiction to the Scriptures, and the instructions given to Church Elders and Pastors:

    “The ear that heareth the reproof of life abideth among the wise. He that refuseth instruction despiseth his own soul: but he that heareth reproof getteth understanding. ” Proverbs 15: 31 & 32
    KJV

    “Open rebuke is better than secret love.” Proverbs 27:5 KJV

    “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.” II Timothy 3:16 & 17 KJV

    “Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.” II Timothy 4:2 KJV

  38. One would think that Juanita Bynum would know the Word a bit better. Paul specifically warned the church that unless an interpreter is present, the one speaking in tongues should speak only to himself and to God, rather than sharing the communication with the entire church. And while the word “speaking” here raises yet another scriptural argument against her action, the speaking argument isn’t even needed, really, since she is already being unscriptural by sharing an uninterpreted “message” in tongues with the church.

    Earlier in the chapter (1 Corinthians 14), Paul gives the reason for this rule: When a message in tongues is interpreted, the church is edified. He also says (five verses after the above warning) that God is not the Author of confusion, clearly implying that tongues without interpretation, when spoken to the entire church, is among the actions that create confusion in the church. We can therefore conclude that according to the Apostle Paul, speaking in tongues to the entire church without an interpretation is unedifying, meaning that when measured against scripture, Juanita Bynum’s communication in “tongues” would have to be classified as unedifying.

    Perhaps Bynum feels she can get away with inserting these so-called tongues here by virtue of the fact that she is praying, but that’s not what the Word says. It says that this type of prayer is only to be used between ourselves and God and that when tongues are shared with the church, they are to be a message to the church — one that is interpreted so that the church may understand it.

    According to 1 Corinthians 14, tongues plus interpretation equals prophecy and therefore also edification for the church and may thus be shared with the entire church; tongues without interpretation equals prayer and is to be used between ourselves and God only (in other words, it is not to be shared). It really isn’t that hard to understand if one will only read the Word, rather than letting the flesh take over.

  39. Eli says:

    When it comes to false teaching and unbiblical doctrins, the bible doesn’t tell us to “just shut your trap” temitayo, it tells us to CALL THEM OUT. Some people still don’t know the difference between judging and calling a wolf a wolf. And when it comes to “not understanding things”, we are told to be as the Bereans, and search the scriptures out. To tell someone to “just shut up” to things they don’t understand, is a cult mentality (“if she says it, it must be true, don’t rock the boat”). If Jaunita is “so on track”, as you say, then back it up with scripture, and practice what you preach.

    Boy, people tend to get real “touchy” when faced with the possibility that they maybe wrong.

  40. IWTT says:

    @temitayo London
    @Dalescia

    Boy, I read these two posts and the physical reaction of indignation I felt was almost overwhelming. I thought “not exactly loving” from the mouths of these supposed brother/sister in the Lord. I also wonder what they think of the scriptures where Paul DOES GIVE THE BRETHEREN in the church the right to judge those in the church. Never saw “tongues” typed out in scripture and how in the name of 1 Corinthians 14 is that suppose to be interpreted?

    And AGAIN, “touch not Gods anointed”. … that’s getting old isn’t it!

  41. Dalescia says:

    The bible also says you will know them by their fruit and it also says there will be false techers and apostles but the word pastor was added to the bible. You all are just being like the pharisees. I hope you remember that when you judge you will also be judged.

  42. @Dalescia:

    I agree with you completely on your first point:

    It’s only cults stop people from expressing their point of view just because they disagree.

    Well said, indeed. However, you were clearly mistaken on your second set of points:

    Temitayo had a valid point. Touch not the lord’s anointed is what the bible says. And you all are saying that she called herself a prophet and not GOD. But did GOD tell you that or are you just being self righteous. If the spiritual warfare of the devil is changing then what is god going to do? You all are not serious.

    Have you ever looked up that “touch not mine anointed” passage and examined TO WHAT it was referring? It is actually found in two places of Scripture (1 Chronicles 16:17-22 and Psalm 105:10-15), and both are exactly the same. So I will cite here the one from the Psalms, and we will take a look at what it REALLY says:

    And confirmed the same unto Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant: Saying, Unto thee will I give the land of Canaan, the lot of your inheritance: When they were but a few men in number; yea, very few, and strangers in it.

    When they went from one nation to another, from one kingdom to another people; He suffered no man to do them wrong: yea, he reproved kings for their sakes; Saying, Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm.

    Question set 1: Who was the subject of this discourse? While God is spoken of as the Benefactor, the NATION of ISRAEL is the beneficiary of His goodness. Note: He gave THEM the land of Canaan (to the whole nation, not one man or type of person); and when THEY went from “one nation to another” (i.e. in traveling to Canaan from Egypt to receive their inheritance of the land), God “reproved kings for THEIR sakes, saying ‘Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm.'”

    Question set 2: Who were His “anointed” within the context of that entire passage? THE ENTIRE NATION OF ISRAEL. Who were God’s prophets in that context? The TRUE prophets of God, who were among the ENTIRE NATION OF ISRAEL.

    Question set 3:Within a New Testament context, who would the “anointed” be? THE ENTIRE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST. Who would the “prophets” be among them? Those TRUE prophets who are demonstrating SOUND doctrine and HOLY living. Note the following passages to substantiate this:

    And if one member suffers, all the members suffer with it; or if one member is honored, all the members rejoice with it. Now you are the body of Christ, and members individually. (1 Corinthians 12:26-27, NKJV)

    Note: The Body of CHRIST (which is a Greek transliteration for “anointed”). In other words, EVERYBODY who is IN CHRIST is IN His Anointing, as an individual member and partaker thereof. In short, WE are the Body of the Anointed, and thus, WE are the ones (corporately) that God warns the world not to “touch.” The passage above then continues:

    And God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, varieties of tongues. (verse 28)

    Note now what constitutes a REAL prophet or apostle from God:

    … by which, when you read, you may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ), which in other ages was not made known to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to His holy apostles and prophets:… (Ephesians 3:4-5, NKJV, emphasis mine)

    Beloved, I now write to you this second epistle (in both of which I stir up your pure minds by way of reminder), that you may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us, the apostles of the Lord and Savior… (2 Peter 3:1-2, NKJV, emphasis mine)

    “Rejoice over her, Oh heaven, and you holy apostles and prophets, for God has avenged you on her!” Then a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone and threw it into the sea, saying, “Thus with violence the great city Babylon shall be thrown down, and shall not be found anymore. (Revelation 18:20-21, NKJV, emphasis mine)

    GOD ONLY USES HOLY APOSTLES AND PROPHETS, and NOT false ones with weird doctrines and bizarre behavior> Note now what Jesus said about this:

    Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

    Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Therefore by their fruits you will know them. (Matthew 7:13-20, NKJV, emphasis mine)

    In short, FALSE prophets will lead you by the “broad way” to destruction, while TRUE prophets (and other TRUE ministers) will point you to the “narrow” road that leads to LIFE through Jesus Christ. How can we know the difference between the true and false? By checking, and EVEN discussing, their FRUIT; and pointing out the wolves who are wearing nothing more than sheep’s clothing to disguise themselves.

    IN SUMMARY: We have analyzed what THE BIBLE says about “God’s anointed” and found out that it is the BODY OF CHRIST and not preachers in particular. We also found out that God’s warning about touching His “prophets” ONLY applies to TRUE and HOLY prophets (and apostles, etc.) and NOT just anybody who runs around with a title. We also found out that there is a BROAD WAY that leads to death, destruction, and DAMNATION…and the false prophets will lead you THAT way, while true ones will always point towards the NARROW WAY that leads to life. Lastly, we found out that it is BIBLICAL (from the words of Jesus, no less) to be “fruit inspectors” in order to discern the true from the false, and to EXPOSE the wolves for who they really are. (And my previous post provided even more biblical substantiation for these same points.)

    Thus, you have been apparently indoctrinated in what I call, “The Convenient Doctrines of Preachers in Sin.” In short, you have been misled, and are applying a MYTH and NOT Scripture in your use of “touch not mine anointed.” I would suggest that you study my teaching on this very subject, and realize that YOU have surrounded yourself with false teachers who are leading you by the BROAD WAY toward destruction and not to life: http://kennethcopelandblog.com/2008/10/22/the-convenient-doctrines-of-preachers-in-sin/

    BTW: I know through my own ministry relationships, that up until just a few years ago (when I last discussed this with them), that Juanita Bynum would NOT accept ANY speaking engagement without a guarantee of at least a $50,000 minimum honorarium. Is that in the New Testament? Did Paul or Peter make such stipulations? NO! In short, Juanita Bynum is a ravenous wolf, and NOT a true minister of Christ. Or we could put it this way: Juanita Bynum is a “Broadway preacher,” and NOT a true prophet.

    Always in Jesus,

    -Rev. Rich Vermillion

    P.S. Sorry about posting so much stuff under your article, Chrystal. However, I figured you would agree with me that these points are in need of a solid refutation with sound teaching. Thanks, Sis.

  43. Steve says:

    dalescia,

    my first post here, but your response is one of my big pet peeves…you simply show lack of understanding of Scripture, by quoting “touch not the Lord’s anointed”.

    First, the context of that phrase comes from 1 Samuel 24 and 26, and is in reference to David preventing PHYSICAL harm on Saul, both in the cave where David cut off part of Saul’s cloak, and when David and Abishai snuck into Saul’s camp, and stole Saul’s spear. When reading these accounts, you’ll notice David rebuking and calling out Saul verbally, for hunting down David to kill him, for no reason.

    Second, as other posters have already pointed out, there are many references in Scripture, where those claiming to be within the Body of Christ, were publicly called out and rebuked. I am sure you would agree that if anyone was “more anointed” than others, that Jesus original disciples were…and yet, Paul publicly rebukes Peter (Galatians 2), and not only to his face, in front of the whole church at Antioch…then Paul writes about it to another church, the one at Galatia. So, would you then say that Paul was sinning, or self-righteous (your words?)

    Thirdly, even if your misuse and misunderstanding of “touch not the Lord’s anointed”, actually meant what you think it does, one would have to be anointed for it apply…and most people claiming to have some special anointing (such as Juanita Bynum) have proven themselves to be false prophets and teachers, thereby showing they are not anointed anyway.

    Steve

  44. David Green says:

    Hello Temitayo

    You mention sickness, funny and strange things happening to xtians (your description) who touch God’s anointed. Perhaps you are zealous for the souls of those you rebuke – God knows – but so are the people here.

    Acts 5 and 1 Cor 14:17-34 are certainly striking examples of God not messing about regarding consequences for certain types of sin.

    And then there is Rev 2:18-29, where we find God’s people being warned (despite their love, faith, service and perseverance) that because they tolerate Jezebel – unless they repent – intense suffering, even death, will come upon them.

    I have had the veiled threats of man directed at me (in the flesh, not via the internet) when speaking against God’s ‘anointed’. Nothing happened.

    I have also seen those same people suffer intensely – almost to death in the case of the Pastor – because they still will not hear what The Spirit is saying to the churches. Please believe me that these Christians most definitely love, just like those at Thyatira.

    You need to repent.

  45. I noticed that you didn’t approve my comment, which was a link to my blog post on this issue, but you have approved others who have posted links to blogs. And my blog post was factual and Biblically sound. This can only mean that you have an agenda: fear of the Truth. Thanks for letting me know this, as there certainly are many false brethren in these last days.

  46. TPR says:

    Juanita Bynum will be on TBN’s “Praise the Lord” tonight, Wed. 9/7 (per TBN daily email notice). I wonder if they will ask her about the “typing in tongues” fiasco…

  47. Rev's Kate & Rich M. says:

    I appreciate that Chrystal allows us to vent–then, all she has to do is click the delete button and the whole shebang can just poof right out into cyberspace– if she chooses to, that is.

    Kind of like a Mom in the family. “Okay kids, that’s enough–now go to your rooms and cool off–or else!” Love it. K:)

  48. Gloria says:

    lol @ iseeitdifferently 9-2-11 9:08am.

    Exactly, which is why I don’t believe it’s her and I won’t believe it until she confesses. No, I’m not a follower or a fan, I just believe in giving people the benefit of the doubt until i’m convinced otherwise.

  49. TPR says:

    FWIW & to answer my own question, No, the TBN-PTL host (who they said is a good friend of Juanita’s brother) did not ask Juanita re her recent “typing in tongues.” Their conversation centered on going thru trials & troubles (her divorce & father’s death) & not “losing your mind” in the process & coming out victorious on the other side. All pretty much legitimate Biblically. It wasn’t until she was asked to pray at the end that she went overboard, claiming to be “phophesying like Elijah” during her “hyper style” prayer. Remote >> Mute. :) They also mentioned she was heading to Africa tomorrow.

  50. Bud Press says:

    The Still Man:

    As a veteran of the “blog wars” for many years, one thing I have noticed with many bloggers is their inability to shift their brains into gear before turning their fingers loose on their keyboards.

    After reading your post, I was prompted to respond to the last two sentences, which stated, “This can only mean that you have an agenda: fear of the Truth. Thanks for letting me know this, as there certainly are many false brethren in these last days.”

    I am not in the habit of defending Christians, per se (those who I know are more than capable of defending themselves). But when I know them personally, I make it my business to defend their ministries to the Lord.

    Such is the case with Chrystal Whitt. I have known her, fellowshipped with her, read her blog posts and comments, and examined her Christian track-record long enough to know that the last thing on her “agenda” is “fear of the Truth”.

    “Fear of the Truth”? “False brethren”? Does bearing “false witness,” raising a “false report,” and sowing “discord among believers” ring a bell? (Exodus 20:16; Exodus 23:1; Proverbs 6:16-19).

    Maybe you simply jumped the gun or assumed the worst. Or, maybe you failed to shift your brain into gear before turning your fingers loose on your keyboard. Whatever the case may be, repentance and an apology is in order.

    Sincerely in Christ,
    Bud Press

  51. iwanthetruth says:

    @ The Still Man

    Actually, by allowing your second post that scathed her, it produced the link from your name to your blog and article.

    Your article is available if one selects the name in your last post….

  52. @Bud Press:

    You’re absolutely justified in defending your friend. She is very lucky indeed to have someone who is not afraid to stick up for her and who is capable of doing so in such a careful and Christ-like manner—unlike the person who is typing this. I have been fighting many battles as of late, and I suppose I mistook Chrystal’s motives. I was out of line, and I apologize.

    Chrystal, please forgive my presumptuousness in jumping to conclusions. I’m sorry if I offended you. By the way, I like your blog.

    @Bud Press, thanks for tightening my shot group.

    In Christ Jesus,

    The Still Man

  53. zford says:

    What was that ‘fear of the Truth’ thing all about? I do not see anything new in that article. It’s just a polished version of what has already been discussed here and in other blogs.
    And i wonder if Mr. The Still Man who commented here is really the The Still Man who owns the blog linked to

  54. Rev's Kate and Rich M. says:

    Still Man–read your blog, very interesting info on Diana and the Jupiter/Nimrod/Lucifer connection and witchcraft.

    You’re right, we must be very cautious as to how we pray and to whom we think we’re praying.

    Let’s just follow Jesus’ instruction in Luke, Chapter 11,:2-4, “Jesus said to them [the disciples], ‘When you pray,say: ” ‘Father, hallowed be your name, your kingdom come. Give us each day our daily bread. Forgive us our sins, for we also forgive everyone who sins against us. Ans lead us not into temptation.’ ” (NIV).

    “… Before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.” (Isaiah 65:24).

    My complete confidence rests in God’s proven and consoling word because His hand rests on me/us.

    Oh, one small prayer request– God protect us on this 9/11 weekend–we pray in the mighty name of Jesus. Amen
    K

  55. HarryFromMA says:

    temitayo London,
    Actually, if you studied the Bible enough without the tactics of false teachers who want you to believe what they say, not honestly evaluate them, and not to expose their false doctrine and teachers/prophets/apostles, you would see how illogical and anti-biblical your post was – and emotionally, intellectually, and spiritually dangerous your post’s contents are.
    1) “Remember that God has not put the judgment of any preacher into the hands of any person.”
    {a} “REMEMBER”? In order to “REMEMBER”, the person must have known it before. By your words, you assume people know what your opinion is, and perhaps even believed it before you told them what to “[r]emember”.
    {b} You assert according to what your teachers have told you and wanted you to believe, practice, and promulgate to others.
    {c} Instead of empty, mere assertion, where is your evidence? You claim to be a Christian, but just give your opinions. “God has not put the judgment of [what is said here] into the hands of [you, based on your partial or anti-biblical viewpoints]”.
    Your comment is a hallmark of a controlling cult – unquestioning obedience, not evaluating what is said, threats of divine judgment for those who ‘dare’ disagree with leaders, and ‘daring’ to speak their viewpoints.
    ~ On judging other’s doctrine, whether someone is a false teacher/prophet/apostle, has false doctrine, and the like:
    Matt 7 Jesus & judging: Greek is ‘krino’ & has different meanings. Not all judging is same. It says if your taking care of yourself
    you CAN take the speck out of another person’s eye.
    Jesus later in Matt 7 WARNED of FALSE prophets & to JUDGE claimed prophets by FRUITS of a prophet (their doctrine of God & if they are 100% accurate 100% of the time- Deut 13 & 18). You contradict Jesus in context of his own words.
    How can the CHURCH use church discipline that was instituted by JESUS in Matt 18 & also by apostle Paul in 1 Cor 5 for sin, if Christians cannot ‘judge’ at all?

    2 Thess 5:21- TEST *ALL* things
    John 7:24-Jesus: “JUDGE *righteous* JUDGMENT.”
    Rev 2:2- They are commended because they “TESTED” claimed apostles & found them “LIARS/FALSE”.
    Acts 17:11- After hearing the apostle Paul preach, the Bereans TESTED/judged “whether” his preaching was right, according to the already written scriptures, and were commended as “more noble-minded” than the others. Christians today should not do less. They cannot do this if they do not ‘judge’- decide truth from error.
    Eph 4:15- speak TRUTH in love.

    * Moses (Deut 13 & 18)
    * Jesus (Matt 7:15; 24:24, Jn 4:23-24)
    * Paul (Acts 20:28-31/1 Cor/2 Cor 11:3-5,13-15/Gal 1:6-9 & all Gal/Eph 5:10-11/Titus 1:9)
    * Peter (2 Peter)
    * Jude (Jude 3, all of Jude)
    * John (John 4:23-24/1 John, Rev 2:2)
    exposed doctrinal *and* moral error, false teachers & told Christians to do so- in & outside of Christianity, as the Bible shows.
    Paul named names 3 times.
    Paul also says “He who is spiritual JUDGES ALL things”.
    Hebrews 13:7 QUALIFIES that you listen to spiritual leaders who speak the word OF GOD to you, not those who twist, manipulate, distort it, either sincerely or for dishonest reasons.
    When someone judges righteously, he does not – as YOU are guilty of – judge according to anti-biblical clichés fed by false teachers who want to silence dissent and “draw away disciples after themselves” (Acts 20:30):

    “I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in AMONG YOU and will not spare the flock. Even FROM YOUR OWN NUMBER men will ARISE and DISTORT the truth in order to draw away disciples after them. So BE ON YOUR GUARD! Remember that for three years I NEVER STOPPED WARNING each of you NIGHT AND DAY with tears.”
    Acts 20:29-31 NIV

    Notice these false teachers will be IN and AMONG the church, so Paul WARNED them AGAINST these false teachers.
    YOU REBEL AGAINST BIBLE’S GOD when you post such errors to mislead and deceive others, even though you are sincere.

    Ps 119:104 says: “Through Your precepts I get understanding; THEREFORE I HATE every false way.”
    How can someone HATE false ways if they don’t judge what are false and what is true?

    Paul said to Titus:

    “One of the Cretans, a prophet of their own, said, “Cretans are always liars, evil beasts, lazy gluttons.” This testimony is true. Therefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith, not devoting themselves to Jewish myths and the commands of people who turn away from the truth.”

    So, you do NOT use the BIBLE as your standard, but your false teachers.
    You thunder divine judgment and rail against others who take the Bible seriously in not wanting false teachers to be given a blank check and a free ticket to delude and deceive Christians and others. You assert Bynum is fine, when she BLATANTLY twists ‘tongues’ from ANYTHING the Bible says against her typing in tongues, when it is nothing but a rattling of the keyboard to impress and solidify people’s devotion to her, while IGNORING ALL the Bible says on the subject. The Bible says people SPEAK in tongues.
    What you claim is plainly contradicted by the Bible, but you rebelliously choose to submit your heart and mind to Juanita Bynum, rather than the Bible.
    You are in NO position to “tongue lash” against those who place the Bible above teachers.
    You hypocritically type your “tongue lash[ing]” anti-biblical, unrighteous judgment against biblically-devoted Christians, who don’t park their minds and hearts when some wolf comes and manipulates emotions and the Bible to “shut up” those who would obey John 7:24 (judge righteously), Titus 1:9 (refute false teachers/prophets/apostles), by testing (2 Thess 5:21) what they teach by the already written scriptures (Acts 17:11), and if they find them them to be false apostles/teachers/prophets to reject them and call them what they are – “false/liars” (Rev 2:2 NKJV/NASB/ESV/NIV).
    For you to rebelliously judge Christians or others even, based on such unsound, scripture-twisting and emotionally manipulative shows your willful blindness, and your need to, biblically speaking, repent ASAP.
    When someone ‘judges’ someone according to surface appearances (flash, emotions, how something looks, etc), rather than know and use the Bible to use righteous judgment to proclaim what the BIBLE says and teaches, YOU end up being the judge, and not the God of the Bible.
    YOU are such a person.
    Maybe it is not those who disagree with who should “shut [their] trap[s]” (Um, BTW, that’s rude, dude- you should apply 1 Cor 13:3-4 “Love is kind, .. is not rude”).
    You are in so spiritual shape to know who is or is not “God’s anointed ones”. You disobey the Bible in MULTIPLE places, twist what few you might be alluding to, or were fed by Bynum & company, and you seem to swallow the twisted theology on ‘Anointing’.
    In the OLD Covenant, only prophets, priests and kings were anointed. Jesus, THE Anointed One (Messiah/Christ), came and now ALL Christians have an anointing from God (1 John 2:20,27). Same with priesthood- OLD Covenant only had certain men as part of the clergy-priesthood. Now, ALL Christians are spiritual priests in the New Covenant (spiritual) priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices to God (1 Peter 2:5-9 w/Rom 12:1-2).
    There are NO super-anointings, deeper anointing, higher anointings, anointed tapes, records, etc.
    The false teaching you have let yourself be misled by, invents an artificial separation between the ‘Anointed Class’ of certain teachers, and the ‘other’ Christians, who either aren’t anointed, or have a lower/different anointing-type.
    1 Cor 12 with 1 John 2:20,27 come together for a simple and biblical doctrine of anointing for Christians – ALL Christians have EQUAL anointing and have at least 1 gift to use. Simple.

    The much abused and used to control partial verse of:

    “Touch not the Lord’s anointed” seems to be what you have been fed to keep you silent and to elicit silence for those who speak out (those who are speaking out against false teaching & the promoters of it in obedience to above passages of righteous judging, testing, rejecting, and refuting/exposing).
    Have you ever really read the entire verse, where else it’s found, studied it with sound principles of interpretation to “ACCURATELY handl[e] the word of truth” (2 Tim 2:15 NASB)?

    “Saying, “Do NOT TOUCH My ANOINTED ONES, And do My PROPHETS no HARM.” ”
    – Ps 105:15

    A literal translation renders it thusly:

    “`STRIKE NOT against Mine ANOINTED, And to My PROPHETS do NOT EVIL.’ ”
    – Ps 105:15 YLT

    To interpret it correctly, we must know the literary genres, context, etc.
    This verse is a Hebrew Parallel passage.
    Hebrew parallelism is when a Hebrew text repeats itself either with an identical, almost identical, or opposite second phrase or sentence.
    So:
    * This is an OLD Covenant scripture, so it points to a PROPHET as Yahweh’s ANOINTED.
    The ‘not touching’ is paralleled with NO HARM.
    The Young’s Literal Translation demonstrates that the touching and harming refers to STRIKING, or HITTING a PROPHET.
    Like when David could have killed KING Saul, but didn’t. He cut a part of Saul’s robe to show him that could have, but he didn’t “strike”, and/or kill, him.
    This does not exclude or contradict CHRISTIANS from obeying the manifold scriptures on judging correctly according to written scripture and rebuking and/or exposing falsehood, and those who promote such doctrine and practices.
    Do you remember that prophets, priests and KINGS were the OLD Covenant ‘anointed’?
    Nathan the prophet exposed ANOINTED king David’s sin when he got Uriah killed to get Bathsheba.
    In Deut. 13 & 18 a claimed prophet was TESTED throughout his claimed ‘prophetic ministry’ by DOCTRINAL standards, not emotional. If a prophet (one class of OLD Covenant ‘anointed ones’).
    The above list I gave also shows your post to be a truly “awful”, anti-biblical, undiscerning, dangerous mindset.
    Please- to use the Bible’s language correctly- repent of your false teaching you posted.
    It is bad fruit of false doctrine against biblical and intellectually honest examination of someone’s claims.

  56. fleebabylon says:

    Great comments here mostly. The word of God outlines the gift of tounges (during gatherings and in private prayer) very clearly. The counterfiting of these gifts of the spirit and the denial of them are both great errors.

    -Jim

  57. Bud Press says:

    The Still Man:

    God bless you. Your shot group is on target…

    Sincerely in Christ,
    Bud Press

  58. @Still Man, that is a very humble and honorable response, my brother. Well done, indeed.

    May others learn from your example of honesty, for such behavior is too often lacking today among Christians. We all need to be “salt” and light” within this putrid and dark world, if we are to properly proclaim and model the Savior to sinners.

    @Bud Press: Good job too, Bro.

    Always in Jesus,

    -Rich

  59. Craig says:

    @ iseeitdifferently:

    Glad to see you posting again. I remember you from the ol’ SignOfJonah days (when I posted as Lee instead).

    YOU ARE THE MANY BREASTED ONE….

    This is the same “god” John Crowder speaks of claiming it’s an aspect of El Shaddai. I’ll have to search for the occultic roots.

  60. For some strange reason I get the picture in my head of John Belushi on SNL imitating Joe Cocker, throwing himself on the floor and writhing about. Makes about as much sense, and has about the same credibility.

  61. ian vincent says:

    Fred Flintstone spoke in tongues. Yabbadabbadoo!

    Fake tongues are like Fred’s “tongue” : Bababababa , shoondera shoondera shoondera

    The real thing is a proper language, just like hearing someone speak in Portuguese, Russian or whatever.

    ( i pray in tongues, when the Holy Spirit moves me to do so)

    Do all speak in tongues? No.

    http://ianvincent.wordpress.com/

  62. scruggstuff says:

    ” You Are The Many Breasted One” This could only refer to one of the many India gods a statue that shows a strange figure that shows many breast. Tongues! I ask a pentecostal minister that question ” Do you really speake in tongues like Arabic, Hebrew, Greek etc, he will not answer.

  63. ian vincent says:

    “El Shaddai” means the breasted one. We assume two breasts and not multiple breasts. it’s a metaphor.

    “Tongues!”

    Yes, what an outrageous gift. What was God thinking?

    God should have consuted John MacArthur first.

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  64. fleebabylon says:

    “I ask a pentecostal minister that question ” Do you really speake in tongues like Arabic, Hebrew, Greek etc, he will not answer.”

    I asked a cessationist if he is ashamed that he picks and chooses what parts of the (NT) word are for today in similar fashion to the liberal who says homosexuality is no longer a sin. He will not answer.

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  66. Bob Scruggs says:

    Hope you don’t mind me posting a second comment,
    I spent several years in the prison ministry and seen hundreds come and receive Jesus Salvation Message never did anyone ever fall backwards, roll on the floor, act insane,yell in tongues,or jerk around as do the TV preachers and Pentecostals
    We never charged for our Bible studies nor did we we promise false hope all teachings were based on the scriptures only not man made nonsense! I was not a great or good Bible teacher but I knew that one day I would answer for what I taught, that kept me in the Word..

  67. Be A Berean says:

    Forgive me if this has already been covered but the Scripture “touch not God’s anointed” is so often taken way out of context. In 1st Chronicles 16:22 and Psalm 105:15, a simple reading of the context reveals that the warning was not just about God’s prophets but ALL of His people. False teachers such as Juanita Bynum therefore should take heed themselves to “touch not God’s anointed” when they haphazardly manipulate or deliberately abuse the precious sheep of the Lord’s flock.

  68. Steve says:

    I feel i have to address the claims that “el shaddai” means “breasted one”. “El Shaddai” is translated “God Almighty”. A simple look at Strong’s, will show it does not mean breasted one.

    Strong’s number for “Almighty” is #7706, and comes from the Hebrew masculine noun “shadday”, meaning “almighty, most powerful”. This is seen 48 times in the Old Testament. The root for this word is Strong’s #7703, which is the verb “shadad”, and means “to deal violently with, despoil, devastate, ruin, destroy, spoil”.

    The Strong’s word for “breast” that is most closely related to “shadday”, is #7699. Best i can tell, this is the word used to supposedly show “Shaddai” means breasted one. The word is the masculine noun “shad”, meaning “breast, bosom, (female) breast”. This comes from Strong’s #7736, which is the verb “shuwd”, which also means “ruin, destroy, spoil, devestate”. It is only seen in Psalm 91:6.

    Both “shadad” and “shuwd” may have similar meanings, but are both primitive root words, meaning they are the basis/foundation of additional words built off of them. There is no common root word that link those two words together.

    Perhaps someone better educated in Hebrew can correct my understanding of the words, but based on what i have found, “El Shaddai” does not mean “breasted one”.

  69. ian vincent says:

    From Wikipedia:

    El Shaddai (Hebrew: אל שדי‎) [shah-dahy] is one of the Judaic names of God, with its etymology coming from the influence of the Ugaritic religion on modern Judaism. El Shaddai is conventionally translated as God Almighty. While the translation of El as “god” in Ugarit/Canaanite language is straightforward,

    ** the literal meaning of Shaddai is the subject of debate.**

    Shaddai as a toponym

    The term may mean “God of the mountains,” referring to the Mesopotamian divine mountain.[1] The term was one of the patriarchal names for the tribal god of the Mesopotamians.[1] In Exodus 6:3, El Shaddai is identified explicitly with the God of Abraham and with YHWH.[1] The term appears chiefly in the Torah. This could also refer to the Israelite camp’s stay at Mount Sinai where God gave Moses the Ten Commandments.

    Shaddai was a late Bronze Age Amorite city on the banks of the Euphrates river, in northern Syria. The site of its ruin-mound is called Tel eth-Thadyen: “Thadyen” being the modern Arabic rendering of the original West Semitic “Shaddai.” It has been conjectured that El Shaddai was therefore the “God of Shaddai” and associated in tradition with Abraham, and the inclusion of the Abrahamic stories into the Hebrew Bible may have brought the northern name with them (see Documentary hypothesis).
    [edit] Shaddai as a theonym

    Balaam’s vision described in the Book of Numbers 24:4 and 16, is explained as coming from Shaddai along with El. In the fragmentary inscriptions at Deir Alla, though Shaddai is not, or not fully, present,[6] shaddayin, lesser representations of Shaddai.[7] These have been tentatively identified with the ŝedim of Deuteronomy 32:17 and Psalm 106:37-38,[8], which are Canaanite deities.

    According to Exodus 6:2, 3, Shaddai (Hebrew: שַׁדַּי) is the name by which God was known to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The name Shaddai is again used as a name of God later in the Book of Job.

    The root word “shadad” (שדד) means “to overpower” or “to destroy”. This would give Shaddai the meaning of “destroyer”, representing one of the aspects of God, and in this context it is essentially an epithet.

    Another theory is that Shaddai is a derivation of a Semitic stem that appears in the Akkadian shadû (“mountain”) and shaddā`û or shaddû`a (“mountain-dweller”), one of the names of Amurru. This theory was popularized by W. F. Albright[citation needed] but was somewhat weakened when it was noticed[by whom?] that the doubling of the medial d is first documented only in the Neo-Assyrian period. However, the doubling in Hebrew might possibly be secondary. According to this theory, God is seen as inhabiting a mythical holy mountain, a concept not unknown in ancient West Asian mythology (see El), and also evident in the Syriac Christian writings of Ephrem the Syrian, who places Eden on an inaccessible mountaintop.
    [edit] Shaddai meaning fertility

    Harriet Lutzky, Adjunct Assistant Professor of Psychology at John Jay College, City University of New York, has presented evidence that Shaddai was an attribute of a Semitic goddess, linking the epithet Shaddai with the Hebrew šad meaning “breast”, giving the meaning “the one of the Breast”, as Asherah at Ugarit is “the one of the Womb”.[9] A similar theory proposed by Albright is that the name Shaddai is connected to shadayim, the Hebrew word for “breasts”. It may thus be connected to the notion of God’s gifts of fertility to the human race. In several instances in the Torah the name is connected with fruitfulness: “May God Almighty [El Shaddai] bless you and make you fruitful and increase your numbers…” (Gen. 28:3). “I am God Almighty [El Shaddai]: be fruitful and increase in number” (Gen. 35:11). “By the Almighty [El Shaddai] who will bless you with blessings of heaven above, blessings of the deep that lies beneath, blessings of the breasts [shadayim] and of the womb [racham]” (Gen. 49:25).

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  70. Kristy says:

    I think her cat walked across her keyboard while she was typing. Mine does that all the time!

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