In the new video posted by Manasseh Jordan on his YouTube channel, you get a behind the scenes look at his prophetic dancing, which he happens to be doing to his own new ”single.” I’ll admit, when I read that I thought, “Oh, my… he has a single?”
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not trying to be ugly, it’s just that … well, if you’ve ever heard Jordan sing, which I’m sure you have, you’ll understand my bewilderment. His singing just isn’t that good! In fact, it can be quite painful to listen to.
But, back to the matter at hand. Believers in prophetic dance believe that when they hear from God, they can express His message in dance instead of word. Therefore, they believe the dance is Holy Spirit inspired. So, while I was watching Manasseh Jordan’s prophetic dance, I thought to myself…”The Holy Spirit moonwalks?”
I’m not being facetious. Watch the video. Who does this remind you of? Ask yourself another question – what exactly is the Holy Spirit supposed to be saying through this?
I get it …. Billy Jean was a Holy Spirit inspired song? Comical.
For me, not a bigee. He’s just trying to 1-up Michael Jackson.
My 6 year old likes to dance too…to Hillsongs, Carrie Underwood – anything thats available really.
It what comes out of MJ’s mouth once he opens his big yap that makes me want to wretch.
I know very little of this ‘profit’ but it would appear he is more like Michael Jackson than one who dances to glorify and honor his God.
There is much dancing in the Messianic Jewish Congregations –but this, I have never seen.
I couldn’t watch the whole clip. Truly creepy! “Prophet” Jordan is under the influence of a spirit..but not the Holy Spirit!
Huh??????? I missed whatever he was saying.
I think this is just another misinterpretation of the biblical passage of David dancing before the Lord.
Also, its only a matter of time before Benny Hinn has this guy dancing on stage at his crusades so they can rake in more money.
MJ (Manasseh Jordan) seems to be channeling the spirit of MJ (Michael Jackson). Not at all prophetic, not from the Holy Spirit.
What a load of satanic nonsense! One day soon this nut will stand before the Lord!
Sounded to me like his last line was ” I go down into the pit”. That’s obviously where this rubbish comes from! If his single is for sale (it won’t be free) he’ll make trillions from the gullible of which I was once one!
He’s got nothin’ on this gentleman
I thnk it’s really sad. If you watch him he’s trying his best to practice and get is routine right in the mistaken belief that he is doing all this for God. He truly belives he is serving God. You won’t be able to get though to him, he’ll never listen as his father and Benn Hinn will be there telling him he’s “chosen of God”. And he has been chosen – by the “god of this world”. That’s the sad part. If you watch the related video “accurate prophetic with Benny Hinn” you’ll see he’s being manipulated totally by Benny Hinn. BTW, I’m always reminded of another simple way to recognize a false prophet, and not from Mattew 24, or the Old Testament. Jesus Himself said this regarding a true prophet:
“For Jesus himself testified, that a prophet hath no honour in his own country.” John 4:44 KJV
So, do you suppose the next thing we will see will be a video of him draped over the grave site of Michael Jackson “seeking” or “soaking” the glory.
http://beyondgrace.blogspot.com/2011/07/bill-johnson-and-john-crowders-leaven.html
I echo what Deborah said. “Huh??”
The sad thing is, somewhere out there is a person who is genuinely dancing or singing to please the Lord. I have been in several congregations over the years where a child or someone mentally retarded came forward (usually unannounced) and began to sing or dance at a level that was…not exactly skillful or crowd pleasing.
When that has happened I have watched the responses of congregants and pastors and staff. Surprisingly, the differ little from fundamentalist to charismatic and everything in between.
The usual response I have seen is a few moments of awkward smiling by all as pastors or staff as others try to find the parent or guardian and get them to intervene. When that doesn’t happen quickly or easily, It’s usually church staff (sometimes a “helpful” person in the congregation who sees it as improper) that politely but firmly attempt to usher the person away.
The response that is second most common to this (that I have seen) is for the pastor to allow some time for the person to have their moment. This varies in degree and sincerity –sometimes the sheer awkwardness of the moment is all that gives the pause–but it is usually accepted by most attenders…at least for a short time.
In a lesser number of cases, I’ve seen staff swoop in like a security team and with no hesitation flank the person on either side and escort them from the sanctuary while the pastor makes polite comments and waits for order to be restored.
In the extreme minority of cases, I have seen openly offended pastor’s or staff with only borderline politeness all but drag the person away.
My thought has always been to simply be patient and only intervene if the behavior is obviously beyond the level of sincere childlike innocence. Sort of a , “forbid not the little ones” approach.
I know of a fundamentalist Baptist pastor here who’s policy is that any sort of display to music in church is “demonic”. A friend of mine asked him, “What if someone is just quietly tapping their foot to the music?”. His answer was, “As long as the heel doesn’t come off the floor it is worship but if they lift the heel it is fleshly.”
It’s that sort of mechanical, man-measured response that is as devoid of the spirit as what Manasseh seems to do here.
Many charismatics have been “brought up” with more demonstrative worship and as a result, have been educated by leadership to be more openly tolerant of what other churches would reject. In many cases, this openness becomes so great that discernment is often not present.
Many charismatic leaders have for this same reason fallen into “routines” becasue it was what was modeled and taught to them. It is not always “wickedness” but sometimes simply ignorance on their part.
What’s disturbing about the sort of demonstration by the self-appointed (and I believe, self-anointed) “prophet” here is the unashamed masquerade of what might be child like innocence as spiritual credibility and “power”.
I think King David’s dance pleased the Lord not because dance (and partial disrobing) were holy ordinances but because it was a sincere outward expression of the inner man–directed exclusively towards God.
My (long) point is that what a person offers the Lord is judged by Him. I am grieved that a person like this can’t simply receive gentle correction in the error of his actions but instead can build a following with it.
I think the other part that bothers me is that he is “imitating”, in his dance moves, a person who was not, IMHO, a believer. Are we not to imitate Jesus? Did he do this? And the Lord expressly states in His documented word, not to do what the pagens do. PERIOD!
So why is he… because….
Look, the truth is I could care less about the issue of dance. I have seen some really fantastic dance in worship to the Lord as well. If it is done tasefully then fine. But then I have seen “worship dance” that looked like it came right off of MTV, with all of the sensuality and worldliness with it (and on EASTER Sunday). I blame the one who is leader of the group for allowing it.
I see nothing more from MJ in the video above, but appealing to the “people” using the worlds standards. “If you are a lover of the world you are a hater of God!” It looks to me to be all about him and his showmanship.
Manasseh Jordan is a false prophet, period.
@ David North,
I’m a trained dancer and I have to say that I was a bit upset by the way you seem to characterise dancers as children or mentally retarded. There is a place for dancing at the front of a meeting, and I’ve been privileged to do that at times. It can encourage people to worship God, dancers can express worship on behalf of the whole congregation or those people who would like to dance but can’t, and dance can even communicate something of the heart of God to people. So yes, it can be prophetic. Dancers in the church don’t seek to be crowd-pleasing, they seek to minister to God and the people. But just like preachers and musicians, a public ministry requires a certain level of ability and gifting. Two other comments on your comment. The “disrobing” of King David that you referred to is often misunderstood and all reputable bible teachers say that he simply took off his royal robes and was not undressed in any way. Also, if you study the Bible carefully you conclude that dancing is associated with joy, and joy is associated with worship. So whilst I probably wouldn’t say say it’s a “holy ordinance”, there’s no doubt that dancing and worship are closely linked.
[DO NOT take this as an endorsement of Manasseh Jordan's attempt at copying Michael Jackson]
To be honest, i’m jealous, I,ve tried moonwalking on many occassions and it just ain’t pretty.
@ Anastasis
I have just a couple of questions that your comment brought to mind. And please don’t take this as critisism, because it’s not. First of all you said
“So yes, it can be prophetic.”
I’d really like to hear an explanation because this statement confuses me. To me, and some one correct me if i’m wrong, i’m still learning, “prophetic” by definition is information or an event that tells of a future event, something that at the time is unknown, or an event that fullfills prophecy already given. How is dance “prophetic”? Do the dancers prophecy while they are dancing? None of the OT prophets, or NT for that matter, danced their message to the audience they were targeting.
“…and dance can even communicate something of the heart of God to people”
maybe I’m wrong, as i said, I’m still learning, but this sounds very Charismatic and extra-biblical. how can we trust that these humans who are not true, Holy Spirit inspired prophets, are getting it right in what they are conveying from “the heart of God” ?
“Dancers in the church don’t seek to be crowd-pleasing, they seek to minister to God and the people”
How could we possible know that? Only God knows the heart. I find it very hard to believe that not one “prophetic” dancer any where at any time did not stand on the stage and think “i look good. I’m pretty good at this!” at that point, it’s no longer about God, it’s about them, and their performance.
I think telling people that if their heel come off the floor it’s fleshy, is going way too far. On the other hand, I’m not convinced that dancing in the church, however well meaning it is, is a good thing. David did his dancing in private then wrote about it, that’s different than getting up infront of a congregation and doing it. It smacks too much like the pagans and the voo-doo folks, kundalini. swaying to the music, clapping hands in rejoice, tapping our feet is not putting outself out there for everyone to see. if i were voting, i’d rather err on the side of caution and just not do it, or do it in private so that it is truly for God and God alone.
What I hear the Holy Spirit saying through this guy’s dancing is: nothing.
this is the definition of idiocy what will these biblical ignorant head cases come up with next prophetic toilet sounds ????
you should check this one out
@anastasis
No offense. Dancers are as singers–it’s a passion and sincere with those committed to it. I didn’t address staff or invited performances because those are always accepted (by most anyway).
My point was there is a natural innocence in true dance (or singing) that doesn’t require theatrics or “slick moves” and it’s wrong to see someone represent such things as “worshipful dance” when they really don’t have the heart to go with it.
Lot’s of people like to dance and sing and do so to have a good time…which is what it looks like Manasseh is doing here. That isn’t the same as doing it “unto the Lord”.
That was my whole point–the retarded or child who comes forward is more worshipful than those doing it to be seen or just for themselves.
@ Eli,
A reply to your questions is coming – it might be tomorrow as it will be a bit long, I’m afraid!
@ David North,
We are basically on the same page, but I need to just pick up on your mention of theatrics and slick moves. I’ve been fortunate to have doen a bit of training, which has obviously affected the way I dance. So if you saw me dance in worship, you might see things that you consider to be theatrics or slick moves, and you might think that I’m performing or showing off. That’s not my intention, I’m just trying to worship God with all my ability. The Bible says to “play skilfully”, and I believe God would have us dance skilfully as well. There has been a tendency in the church to neglect this, especially where dance is concerned, and trained dancers are sometimes misunderstood or criticised because they don’t necessarily appear “innocent”. The parable of the widow’s mites says that what matters is the proportion of what you give to what you have, and some people will have more in absolute terms that they can give. Please don’t fall into the trap of judging someone’s heart from the outer things you see. Both trained and untrained dancers can get their motives wrong. It’s my personal experience that you get more problems of this nature with untrained dancers, as trained dancers tend to have more experience and so they don’t get all excited at the thought of dancing in public. But I know other people will disagree with me on this.
Incidentally, having a “good time” dancing or singing is not necessarily incompatible with doing it “unto the Lord”.
As for Manasseh Jordan, he’s just another deluded fraudster to be avoided. I can’t see anything prophetic about his Michael Jackson impression, but then I wouldn’t take anything he says seriously.
Hmmmm, let me give input on this “prophetic” term…. I went to many a seminar and eventually taught this idea of “prophetic” worship. I saw what is considered “prophetic” dance and I totally understand the statement that is being made about dance being “prophetic”.
Dance that is done in terms of “prophetic” that I have seen happens in two ways.
1) EXample: I was at a conference and we were in “worship” singing and of course the hype caught up with us and then there was a “prophetic word” given in song. There were dancers all along the front of the church and as this “word” was being given, the dancers ‘danced” the word. Their physical motions\movements were a response to the “word” or the “interpretation” of that word in movement\physical motion. This was considered “prophetic dance”. It was in essence, body motion to the prophecy (of future coming word) so therefore it was foretelling (future prophecy) type of prophecy via dance.
2) Example: I was at a “Singing Christmas Tree” concert and a dancer came and interpreted the story of the birth of Christ (from one of the songs sung) through a dance that had been pre-coragraphed, so now it is (in the terms of this conference) “prophetic” because it is forthtelling the word of God through scripture.
The thing is I have no problem with dance as an expression of worship as long as it is done tastefully. I have an issue with this prophetic part of it (mostly the term itself) because after much study, I don’t think there really is such a thing. I believe th verses used to teach it are twisted I believe it is purely a physical expression of worship to God. After several years of teaching the idea of “prophetic worship” using “sounds” ( I shake my head as I type this in disbelief that I did this) musically through musical instrument, I have repented, asked forgiveness to those I taught the concept to (to whom ever I was able to contact) and I no longer teach it.
If you really look at the teachings it is all apart of the “Tabernachle of David” teachings that come out of the MSoG theology and that is what Harp and Bowl is all about at IHOP.
…that is what Harp and Bowl is all about at IHOP.
To expound on this just a bit… I was taught in the “Prophetic Worship Seminars” how to, through a set of cords that were being played with what ever instrument…,
1) sing a particular verse or verses to the music… then
2) sing re-interpret the verse(s) in what I thought it might be saying… then
3) sing a version of that verse that might be more personal….
(I learned this method around 1985 but it was already in practice before that. My take is that Mike Bickle took something that was already being taught and just applied it to 24/7 prayer.) It ain’t no new thing under the sun!
Harp and Bowl…
1) Singers on platform… someone prays verse(s) at podium
2) singers sing that verse(s) to music cords that are being played..
3) singers re-interpret and sing that version
3) singers learn to flow freely with that verse and sing what comes to mind…..
Oh then we call it prophetic especially when the singers begin to flow in a “prophetic sense” or a “thus saith the Lord…” attitude.
I had this interesting interaction one day. I have an uncle who is a non-believer but an unbelievable musician. He was at a memorial service where we played the music (my family) and when we finished he came up to me and said, “Why that is no different than what I hear on the radio or play. It’s still a set pattern of cords. with a melody and harmony and a little bit of jamming.” (The jamming he refered to was when we went into a “free flow prophetic worship” time.) So I ask, “what makes it “prophetic?”
This may be off topic and I apologize…. I was responding to a poster above about “prophetic” dance….
Dang! Manasseh has that moonwalk down pat–impressive.
Has anyone been watching the TV show, “So You Think You Can Dance?” Now, that’s impressive.
I understand what Anastis is saying, she’s a trained dancer– I have had dance, studied voice and theater, performed professionally and ministered in the Dramatic Arts–it is wonderful and exhiliarating and it’s an honorable accomplishment; as we minister or worship, the training will come right out as it’s deep within.
Of course, all must be done appropriately and always with a keen awareness that God is orderly–I didn’t say to be a “stuffed shirt” though.
I’m not so sure about prophetic dance; worshipful/interpretive dance yes–prophetic, what does that mean exactly and is it scriptural?
Thanks a bunch. K
I agree IWTT. When dance was performed at my former church, it just i dunno, “felt wrong” for lack of a better way to explain it.
as for “falling into the trap of judging others heart from the outer things we see” i don’t see that as the case, no ones heart has been judged. It’s not the heart we scrutinize, only God knows the heart. However, peoples outward actions when those actions are called “Christian” or “biblical” should most definatly be looked at and compared with what scripture says, especially when it is being taught to others as “ok”.
Another thing that came to my mind, when it was mentioned about teaching others to dance prophetically, it reminded me of when i was in my former church and was told I had to practice speaking prayer language (speaking in tongues as evidence of being filled with the Holy Spirit). Seems to me, if something is coming from the Holy Spirit, be it tongues, dancing, or whatever, no one would need to be “taught”, it would come naturally from the Spirit. I dunno….I may have this all twisted myself. It still just feels very Charasmatic. I was raised Southern Baptists in the 60′s and 70′s, and something like that would have never ever been allowed, and then as a teen i began to attend a full gospel pentacostal church where practically anything went (yelling, running around in church at full speed, chaotic tongues with no interpreter, etc etc). I’ve experienced each end of the spectrum.
Gosh i really LOVE this site. I learn and gleen so much from these mature Christians who comment here.
Anyone associated with Benny Hinn is a heretic. This MJ character is evidence of GOD’s judgment upon societies who have rejected the GOD of the Bible.
The ministry of the Holy Spirit is to bring conviction upon the hearers of the Gospel message. Read the Scriptures… No conviction, no Holy Spirit.
The greatest damnation is reserved for false teachers. MJ, among TBN’s all-star line up of heretics, will be held accountable by GOD for the blood of those who were deceived by these false teachers. Theirs is a grievous punishment, and deserved.
GOD is moving though, in raising up young men who are returning to the preaching of the Gospel as in the days of the Reformation. Revival will happen only after GOD first cleanses the church. Pray church of Jesus Christ! The world is lost and dying and going to HELL…