THIS is Sound Doctrine? Are you Kidding Me????

In the following video, Jenn Johnson, daughter-in-law of Bill and Beni Johnson, of Bethel Church in Redding, California, gives a sermon about black, white, and grayscale.  Her doctrine isn’t Biblical and you won’t find it in Scripture.

One thing I want you to consider as you watch this video and listen to this absurdity is that the church has slidden so far down the slippery slope that this is actually considered as sound doctrine.

(HT:  Jason Boggs)

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40 Responses to THIS is Sound Doctrine? Are you Kidding Me????

  1. What she’s getting at… is difficult for her, because of the lousy doctrines of Bethel Church.

    So, yes, she’s sort-a-kinda wrong, but also sort-a-kinda right.

    The doctrine she is dancing around is discussed a lot at http://www.inthatdayteachings.com.

    And that doctrine is this: God has for us guidelines, no absolute rules! See Commandment One.

    Now, Bethel and the rest of Churchianity cannot teach that, because they make fixed-rule-tithing one of their greatest gods. It is their god before God, that God says thou shalt have no other before Him! (fixed rules used to dominate over others!)

    So, until http://www.inthatdayteachings.com are better understood, it is a cheap shot to slam this video.

    But it would be a fine thing indeed, if you allowed this posting and discussion! (Be open to higher ground!)

  2. ray says:

    That was one video that I just couldn’t watch to the end. Talk about a subjective faith, it was delivered in spades here, but I suppose when your mother is a fruitcake and your father is a heretic, the apple isn’t going to fall too far from the tree.

  3. unworthy1 says:

    The first thing wrong is women are NOT to teach or be in authority over men in the church. Everything else about this woman’s teaching is just as wrong as her attempt to teach.
    In response to RWB, you aren’t serious in your statement here are you? “So, yes, she’s sort-a-kinda wrong, but also sort-a-kinda right.” This is wishy washy and not biblical.
    This woman is perched on stage, casual and comfy like she is on Oprah. Good grief! Where is fear and reverence for a God who is holy, righteous, merciful, loving, forgiving? She approaches her view of God’s word with as much reverence as one who speaks of a good mystery they’ve read. She speaks of her conversations (let me add ‘alledged’ before conversations) like she’s addressing her bff.
    Folks who sit under and follow after this junk are deluded: may the Eternal Majesty of heaven and earth have mercy on this world as we continue to sink even further into oblivion.

  4. Jonathan says:

    Just astounding! She seems so relaxed and confident while she spews forth this blasphemous and idolatrous trash. Scary for her sake, and the blind masses that drink in such false teaching like water. I do realize, though, that it is only by the grace of GOD I am not carried away with the spirit of the age too.

  5. Jess says:

    Hmmm… I like the black and white thing. How about this. The Bible’s doctrine… WHITE. Jenn Johnson’s doctrine… BLACK.

  6. stan says:

    They have to make sure they tell you that the Lord speaks to them about their lessons. Joyce Meyer, Beth Moore are whom I think of right now that also do that all the time. Their audiences need to know just how close these teachers are to God so that they’re receiving what do they call it? Heavy-revvies, strong meat or anointed teaching?.

    She’s vulgar. Angels have f–ting contests? “Get her off the stage?” she asks with mock indignation of herself after that comment. My answer – Yes get off the stage!!

  7. Nic Boyd says:

    Oh its so lovely… who is Jesus to you? its allright you can make it up, because he is just a fun, beer drinking, farting buddy, isnt he??
    This is such a joke, the answer to our questions is found by applying God’s light to the question – but since I decide who God is to me I decide what his light is like therefore ultimately I am the God creator!
    I unfortunately have people in leadership in my church that act like all that comes from bethel chuch is gospel, why? Because they dont get a “yucky” feeling in their spirit!

    We need to take every opportunity to preach the gospel IN our churches.

    SDG

  8. Mandy Mom says:

    Talk about grieving the Holy Spirit….

  9. highrpm says:

    ah, life is good in redding.

  10. Javanut says:

    This is an embarrassment to all godly women teachers. Actually, she’s not teaching, she’s rambling – like free association to Freudians. I would hope that we don’t judge all women by her poor example just as we don’t judge all men by Rob Bell’s.

  11. bearfam says:

    I…me…me…me…my…our…we…mine…us…god to me…god to you…I FEEL this…I FEEL that. And WHO is her talk about? Certainly not the God of the Bible. False teachers LOVE the “gray area” discussion. No absolutes and no authority thrills the wolves. She seemed pleased to suggest that each person is free to make the “god/genie” of their own choosing just as they might choose the ice cream flavor of the month. And the crowd cheers her on as she tickles their itching ears.

  12. Carolyn says:

    ray LOL – That’s some kind of apple. Notice her groupie audience – looks like Hannah Montana followers, young teenie boppers who want to be just like her, with a satin purple shirt, slinky pants and stylish heels. Commitment to Christ? Huh?

    Well, I agree with you Chrystal…greyscale…it’s another imaginative heresy. There really is no such thing. That is, not according to the Bible. There is Romans 7(sinful nature) and Romans 8 (no condemnation in Christ). That is better by far. But I suppose if I was trying to justify sinful behaviour, the greyscale would work for me.

    Kate…about your book. Nothing personal. Honestly, I don’t read books anymore (and I won’t even attempt to explain why). Besides, I already know everything. :-) But congrats on writing one! All the best!

  13. highrpm says:

    just as the eagles and fleetwood mac represented the melodic “california pop” genre, it seems bethel and vineyard represent the “california emo” charismatic genre. ok, fine. but there is an uncomfortable sense about them like the black clouds and lightning and sporadic downpours of evening thunderstorms, as awesome and powerful and threatening as those thunderstorms can be, constrasted against the setting sun. jesus made it clear in his ministry: he came to declare that there is a kingdom not of this world, of which he is king, that his followers are to declare and live under its laws while alive on the earth. it is not all about “touchy/feely daddy god”; our purpose is black and white, as john the baptist declared: “repent for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.”

    as an example of how opposite the kingdom behaviour is to this world’s, i like the gospel verse someone included in their comment here recently:

    Luke 14:12-14 Then Jesus said to his host,”When you give a luncheon or dinner, do not invite your friends, your brothers or relatives, or your rich neighbors; if you do, they may invite you back and so you will be repaid. 13 But when you give a banquet, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind,14 and you will be blessed. Although they cannot repay you, you will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous.

    this article states our purpose well, http://www.lakeshorebible.net/articles/research/what-is-the-gospel-of-the-kingdom.

  14. Grant says:

    Where is the lady’s Bible?

  15. Grant says:

    This just looks like a high school pep rally

  16. Revelation 2:5 says:

    I kinda….sorta….get what she is saying. And yes, a few things were “off” (i.e. angels – are not in the same class as mankind (many scriptures explain the difference) and I can almost be assured they don’t have flatulence).
    Overlooking those silly thoughts …. let me say since I’ve not always presented things in the best “light” and made quite a few blunders over the years while teaching the bible and perhaps might make a few mistakes in the future without intending to … I need mercy, so I shall extend mercy to this young woman.
    Let go of the prejudice about Jenn, her family or this ministry just for a moment and consider the topic – because it is something that most believers struggle with …. the “gray scale”.
    Struggling to make decisions that are in line with God’s will when you can’t always go to chapter and verse to find the answer. For instance …. should I go to college? where should I work? where should I live? who do I marry? money – how much do I spend on my family and how much should I give to others?
    The darkest shade is “black” – representing the total absence of light. The lightest shade is “white” – representing total transmission of light. The grayscale represents the place of total dependence on the Light of Jesus Christ to show us the way.
    Are there absolutes? Absolutely! The Word of God is our Plumbline and that is why Jesus sent Holy Spirit to guide and lead us into all Truth. Allow Him to bring revelation, guidance and conviction.
    My personal convictions (regarding those things in the “grayscale” area) cannot become a doctrine to be imposed on others. Perhaps, I’m convicted to not eat a certain food or watch a certain program on television, it doesn’t mean everyone else will or even should have the same conviction (gray scale). However, watching pornography falls within the “black area – total absence of light” and without question an absolute “NO”.

    Sadly, most believers don’t know how to be led by Holy Spirit – they have a feeding tube plugged into the life of a pastor or favorite bible teacher and can’t hear the Lord speak without getting fed through their “feeding tube”. They rarely read and study their Bibles or spend time meditating (Joshua 1:8) day and night on His Word and asking the Father questions – and particularly questioning all the doctrines of men. So, they will blindly follow and listen to anyone who says the name of Jesus, because they have not developed a personal relationship with Jesus.

    There is a lot of “mixture” in the church. Mixing “law” with “grace”. For example there is a pastor on television (I think his teaching is unbalanced) who always preaches on “Grace”… yet at the end of his program the announcer will solicit viewers for money with the disclaimer that whatever you send will not be considered your “tithe” …. because we believe that your “Tithe” belongs to your local church…so any money you send in will be accepted as an offering.” What? Preaching to people for 20 minutes that they are not under the demands of the OT law …. only to them bring them back into bondage so subtly at the end of every program with …”your tithe belongs to your local church”, leaving them with the “assumption” that they should be giving 10% of their income to a local church organization and comparing the local church with the storehouse. No wonder people are confused!

    A steady diet of listening to what others teach will mess with a person’s mind and eventually require one to go through spiritual “detox” to clean out the clutter in order to be able to hear the voice of God clearly.
    The Father seeks those that will worship in Spirit and Truth. There is no substitute or supplement that can replace a personal relationship with Jesus and daily communion with Him and His Word.

  17. Rev's Kate & Rich M. says:

    Hi dear friend Carolyn– thanks so much for the congrats. I know you don’t read books anymore– I recall you said that a while back.

    If I can remember (let me know), you feel that reading anything other than God’s word had become a hindrance and bothersome as you don’t want junk crowding your head–I completely understand.

    And, I know you know everything (wink) and that’s why I appreciate you so much!

    So good to hear from you. I remember the first time I “met” you– it was last summer–a raging thunder storm blew through here and knocked-out all the power.

    I think (don’t hold me to it) we all were commenting on the Paula White/Benny Hinn debacle that flew into outer space with over 300 comments–Chrystal graciously accommodated all our opinions.

    Just a little reminiscing here. Thanks again and God bless. :)

  18. Mike A says:

    I am fairly certain I did not hear any scripture even read. A lot of Jr. High philosphy class was about all this was.

  19. Ireland says:

    So, we don’t want to be sooooo into God because we won’t find out who we’re supposed to be and what excites us? Is she for real? She justifies this by saying that we don’t want our children to be soooo into us that they never find out who they are. Hmmmmm.

  20. BrotherK says:

    Farting gods & angels? Why don’t these guys just pack it in and go back to worshiping Odin and the Norse gods? There was a pretty ‘earthy’ bunch, plenty of bodily functions to satisfy even the most jaded of tastes… Also, glad ‘God spoke’ to her to give her the bona fides she needs to jibber-jab like that with impunity. Nothing like heading off all criticisms of her puddle-deep ‘message’ at the pass…

  21. Paul says:

    Sorry, try as I might I could not endure the full 12:12 length video. As to the Holy Spirit being grieved, I dont think He stuck around to listen! ( yes I know God is omnipresent!) This heresy uncontested simply makes the Christians who hold to scripture and fear God look like biblical saints. ( which we are actually) THANKS for exposing this evil on your site, It will prove helpful to many escaping this kind of perdition. The god this woman follows simply is not the biblical one. Jude comes to mind when listening to this woman
    Jude 1:8-13 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities. 9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee. 10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves. 11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core. :12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; 13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

    May the Lord in His mercy keep us from their destruction!

  22. Gloria says:

    I honestly can not listen to this video over 3 minutes.

  23. Have y’all blogsters herein ever considered that God didn’t bring us into the 2011 June internet age, just to be rigid righteous?

    STOP, and really think about that! Cavemen can be rigid righteous. Lousy bosses that we hate can be rigid righteous. But really, now! Is your beautiful computer, mine and everybody else’s to be used with the eloquence of a ROCK to just beat on people because they are not rigid-righteous enough?

    Huh?

    Well, now. Was Jesus rigid-righteous? No, no and NO! He was Holy Flexible!

    And that is what, in part — only in part, yes — what the above video was getting at.

    To grow into maturity, and yes, it is possible…

    Do please visit and understand… http://www.inthatdayteachings.com

    At some point in this beautiful world of information and space travel, God wants more of his sheep to STOP being rigidl-righteous stone throwers, and become Holy Flexible leaders of mercy, grace and more than a little smarts!

  24. Couldn’t watch it all.

    But she says she “asked the Holy Spirit” and “God said – ask me about gray scale” so she “felt” she should “punch it into Google” and Google told her “this question has yet to be answered.” And the crowd goes “whooooooo!”

    Ya, that’s because the #1 result Google returned was for answers.com – and someone asked a question that no person with an answers.com account has bothered to answer for them! The question has been WELL answered though. How many shades of gray are there? Well, the question has since been answered:

    “An infinite number. But a common digital palette has 256, when you count white and black.”

    There ya go…..preaching sermons based on questions no one answered……and research that keeps you from clicking on “result #2″ in Google.

    Just pathetic. I would vomit if this happened at my church.

  25. Carters says:

    Wow, thank you for posting this. I was set free from Bethel and its influence over myself and my family.
    I used to listen to all their worship music and teachings until the Lord revealed that the spirit I was exposing to myself was not Jesus. It is a completely different spirit that they worship there…it badly affected me & I am so thankful to my Lord and Saviour for setting me free and realising that the spirit I was exposing myself to was not the Holy Spirit. I hope that if anyone sees or reads this that they can understand that this is not just silly doctrine, but some seriously bad demonic stuff. If anyone would like to read more about this you are welcome to read my testimony of being set free from this and into the beautiful, still and holy presence of the real King, my Lord Jesus. I can only hope and pray that it may encourage someone out there about the eternal seriousness of this stuff and it effect on believers.

    http://kneelingbeforetheking.blogspot.com/2011/03/part-1-very-dangerous-journey.html

    In Him alone, Sherid

  26. Carolyn says:

    @Revelation 2:5
    The grey areas she is talking about are not grace. The grey areas are the flesh measuring itself on a sliding scale of right and wrong behaviour. No matter how high on the sliding scale, it is still ambiguous, philosophical reasoning (Satan’s playground for obscuring absolute truth).
    So it is much more serious than discussion of differing perspectives on decision making or choices in daily living. She is talking foundational faith. Hers is rooted in “who she is” and what she does as she passes through the shades of grey (law)…….and not “who Christ is” or who we are in him(grac)…. as she CLEARLY states in her final minutes of indoctrination.
    Her conclusion is completely different from yours. Christ is not everything…SHE IS. That is blatant heresy!

  27. Carolyn says:

    Urgh – …..and not “who Christ is” or who we are in him (grace)…..

  28. mkayla says:

    Bill Johnson often speaks of his rich heritage. Here’s it’s offspring.

  29. Rebecca Susan says:

    Carolyn,
    I was listening to this video while typing my comment , so I went back to listen again. Somehow I missed some things and that last part … that was clear ….. “Focusing so much on “what” He is (referring to Holy Spirit – first of all shouldn’t it be “Who” He is?) … we miss “who we are”.
    Oh my … I truly love people and try to give them the benefit of the doubt and while I believe in calling out heresy, I’ve try to refrain from picking apart every little thing someone says ~ realizing that within an hour monologue most people will say some stupid things … but what I hear in this 12:12 minute clip is so misguided and deceiving.
    There is so much mixture in this teaching, I can understand how people get so easily duped.

    Even so, though my comment might not have been on point, I trust what I shared was important and valid to the discussion. Thanks for letting me contribute in the conversation.

  30. ian vincent says:

    Hold fast the pattern of sound words, which you have heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus. That good thing which was committed unto you keep by the Holy Spirit who dwells in us. 2 Timothy 1:13-14

    Hold fast the pattern of sound words that Paul left us.

    If you are listening to any ministry, just ask yourself, Could I imagine Paul teaching that? Does this fit the pattern he left us, as one of our Apostles?

    Or, more to the point, is your own ministry in harmony with the ministries of the Apostles, in teaching and example? Would your ministry fit right into the first century Apostolic setting, and get the full approval and wholehearted support of the Apostles?

    It should do. That’s what we must aim for. Let’s not settle for anything less. We don’t want to live in some christian fantasy, altered-state of reality – that is, deception.

    For example: Could you imagine Paul coming up on the stage and commending and supporting Jenn, and everything she said? Well done sister! That is the same gospel I received from the LORD! ??

    http://ianvincent.wordpress.com/

  31. Revelation 2:5 says:

    You’re welcome, Chrystal. Thank you for being a watchman on the wall.
    God Bless ~ Rebecca Susan

  32. Sandy says:

    This is a classic example of the teaching that comes from the pastors at Bethel, and in many, many other churches like it. They have their own ideas and passions and manipulate scripture to accomodate. I truly treasure those pastors who may not be the most dynamic speakers, but who went through the hard, disciplined, diligent work that comes from attending a seminary and having to study things that you’d rather not bother with because they are hard and don’t come naturally to human inclination. But in that time, they hopefully learn the sacred discipline that is required to rightly shepherd the people of God. They learn to die to self. They learn that it is the Word of God that is the sword of the Spirit, and not the clever ideas that appeal to their personal passions.

  33. Kiwi_Dave says:

    I couldn’t listen past 40 odd seconds. She was just rambling about nothing. I honestly lost interest as soon as she held up that black card. To be blatantly honest sh’e just one of a very long line of “nobody” preachers. Before today I had never heard of Jenn Johnson. My immediate reaction to preachers like her and Paula White is simply “Not More of this rubbish…..zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz”.

    This is what the Scriptures say regarding these sorts of false teachers

    “For the leaders of this people cause [them] to err; and [they that are] led of them [are] destroyed.” Isaiah 9:16 KJV

    “Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.” Matthew 15:14 KJV

    “And he spake a parable unto them, Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch?” Luke 6:39 KJV

    “He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.” Revelation 22:11 & 12 KJV

  34. Carolyn says:

    @Rebecca…of course you are important to the discussion. It proves that you are awake and being a voice to speak up against heresy and false teaching. I think a lot of people missed the last point she made because her performance was not easy to listen to…but it was her final statements that just about made me fall off my chair in shock.

    @Carters…Amen! If we worship Christ in anything other than Spirit and Truth, (His Word), we are worshipping in error.

  35. Larry Geiger says:

    43 seconds. That’s it. That’s all I could take. Clearly I am from somewhere else.

  36. Daffydil says:

    Ms. Jenn Johnson desperately needs to know the saving blood of Jesus Christ is real and that He did indeed die on the cross for her. At present, she is obviously CLUELESS. If she would crack open her bible – assuming that she owns one – she would find out who God is to her, instead of the rodeo clown description she comes up with. I had to turn this off when she got the the part about angels having farting contests. I don’t think that will have much importance when the day comes that we are standing before our Lord. God bless you Chrystal – it could only be true love & concern for the sheep that you are able to watch this …..stuff.

  37. Beth says:

    I couldn’t even watch past 3 minutes of this…and that was only b/c I wondered what this woman was talkin about! I have this passion for teaching the eternal word of God. Christians have gotten so far from the basics it’s scary. People please get into a systematic teaching of God’s Word….abide in His Word…it’s the only truth that will never fail. Stop chasing the next best charismatic movement, person, prophesy and READ, EAT, PRAY God’s Word so that you will NOT fall into false teaching!!!!!

  38. Andrea says:

    I really don’t understand what she is going on and on about. Nothing about any of her words is related to the Gospel or Jesus. She has made up a false idea about God being funny. Is that why their church members lay around the floor laughing all the time?
    I too have to agree they are worshiping an evil spirit. This is anti-God and anti-Bible.

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