Cindy Trimm and Juanita Bynum: God Can’t Come Here!

In this video, there is so much BIZARRE Scripture twisting and false doctrine by Dr. Cindy Trimm, I really don’t know where to start critiquing it!  I’ll just say this… take every bit of this woman’s doctrine, drop it in a bucket, and kick it off a bridge.

I honestly don’t know where she got all of this.  It’s just… twisted.  I know, I know, there’s dominionism and spiritual mapping speckled throughout…especially in this statement:

“Because spirits do not have legal right in the earth realm.  That’s why when God wanted legal access… not even God can come here!  When God wanted legal access in the earth realm, He had to come through the womb of a woman.”

But this lady is seriously deceived.  I’m not talking about the classic Word of Faith lie that says man has dominion over all and God is an outsider.  I’m talking about all the pseudo-scientific things she is stating.  It’s just … bizarre!  I think she really believes what she’s teaching!

I guess she missed that lesson in sunday school when they taught that God is OMNIPRESENT.

Have a listen.

(HT:  Jackie Macon)

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63 Responses to Cindy Trimm and Juanita Bynum: God Can’t Come Here!

  1. Harry says:

    Well at least we know now that Adam was a billionaire!
    Money,money money.

  2. bearfam says:

    Such babbling! She doesn’t make a lick of sense. If I were forced to come up with a summary of what she was saying I guess it would be that God is helpless and humans have all the authority and power…age old lie. The most frightening part is that the auditorium was almost full of people agreeing with her. It accentuates 2 Timothy 4:3 as it says: “For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.” Trimm, Bynum and the myriads of other false teachers wouldn’t have a platform to spew lies if they didn’t have the hords of people following them who will not put up with sound doctrine.

  3. Ian Devereux says:

    In what discipline does Cindy Trimm hold her doctorate?

    It can’t be in anything scientific – too many very basic mistakes in what she said about biology / physics / chemistry / cosmology. She does not appear to have even a secondary school understanding of what she is talking about. It is certainly not at university level.
    It probably isn’t from a mainstream theological institution either. Nothing she said would support that.
    Are there any institutions that can award doctorates in ‘New Age’ studies? Maybe it’s in astrology, rather than astronomy?

    Maybe it’s in the academic field of “Cindy Trimm Studies”?

    Seriously – this unfortunate person seems to be delusional. From her own website:

    “Dr. Cindy Trimm is a 21st Century World Leader who has partnered with heads of state, business moguls, politicians, church, civic and world leaders for more than 30 years to equip and empower millions to maximize their potential.”

    “Her track record as a revolutionary thinker and prolific communicator, has established her as one of the most respected and sought-after leaders in the world today.”

    What really shocks me is that the delusion is so easily shared. It becomes a mass delusion. Look at the faces in the audience. But I am not surprised: “Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness. (2Th 2:11-12)”

  4. Ruitje says:

    A while ago there was an article from Trimm on Eljahlist. In that article she wrote about ‘The Law of Attraction’. That is the same as in The Secret, an occult teaching.

    http://elijahlist.com/words/display_word.html?ID=9273

    It showed the true face of Trimm: a Word of Faith (New Thought) and Dominon teacher.

  5. Ruitje says:

    When she says that God couldn’t even come here, only through the womb of a woman, it makes me think of WOF-teachings that God can’t do anything on earth except when people speak the right words (of faith). They even believe that Jesus was spoken into existence by the words spoken by the prophets…

  6. David says:

    The above is bizarre to say the least,BUT, if everyone read their Bibles and actually followed 1Timothy2:12, these women would have no audience and consequently they’d probably end up promoting “womens empowerment” or some other kind of self-help nonsense.

  7. Christopher M says:

    When I came out of charismania, the concept that God is soveriegn blew me away. The whole gist of WOF teaching is simply this. Man is soveriegn and man has the power to create, to change and man -especially “annointed” men are worthy of mans worship. This would fall in line with Ken Copelands “little god” teaching. It appeals to our fallen flesh. God is only the genie in the bottle and all you really need to do to activate the genie. Ya gotta rub the lamp. Of course the lamp happens to be the offering bucket. You notice that sin is not really mentioned. Oh, they teach morality, but you will notice that sin isnt attributed to us, but it is caused by demons working through someone. Its really sad and even sadder is the fact that so many people buy into it. To claim that God cant come here is total blasphemy.

  8. Christopher M says:

    There was a typo. I meant to say that all you really need to do is activate the genie. I should know better than to get on here before I finish my coffee. Than again, it might have been a demon that was trying to keep me from posting on this blog? It could not have been the fact that I only type with 2 fingers. I know…. since Cindy trim and Juanita Bynum claim I have authority, Ill just command my fingers, all 10 of them, to type properly. Ill just name it and claim it, believe and recieve and speak it into existence…… Ill let ya know how it works out.
    Have a great day. :)

  9. Michael Lawmaster says:

    Perhaps they got it from Myles Munroe as he stated that years ago.

  10. Ed L. says:

    Wow. I’ve got an idea that maybe you can help me with, that might help with combating these false teachers.

    I’m thinking of putting together a checklist called “How to know if you’re in a heretical church,” or “How to evaluate a church,” or something along that line. Maybe a few of us can make such a checklist and distribute it far and wide.

    Ideas:
    PREACHING –
    1) Does the preaching center on what Jesus has done in your place or on what you must do to have a better life?
    2) Is the Bible central to the message, or are a few verses sprinkled in here and there to help the speaker make their own points?
    3) Is the central message about you or God?
    4) Does the preaching lead people to repent of their sins, and find salvation in God’s grace through faith in the finished work of Jesus?
    5) Is Jesus held up each week as the only valid way of salvation? Or is salvation even a central theme?
    6) Does the preacher back up their claims by letting scripture interpret scripture, or does he read into the scripture things from his own imagination?
    7) Is the Bible preached as the inspired, infallible, and inerrant word of God (as originally written down), or is it seen as a handy “better living” reference guide full of stories which aren’t meant to be taken literally?

    ENVIRONMENT-
    1) Is the atmosphere one of order, or more like a circus act?
    2) Is communion and baptism practiced according to scripture?
    3) Are Bibles open and being studied by the congregation?
    3) Is the singing mostly praising God for what He has done, or is it primarily “about me”, emotive and repetitious in order to induce a trace-like state?
    4) Is the atmosphere one of reverence, or one of marketing or hype?
    5) Is there an emphasis on selling things (books, CDs, etc.) that profit those in charge of the church?
    6) Is the structure of the church leadership one which can be defended by scripture? Are those in leadership scripturally disqualified?

    This is just a start… Please help me refine it.

    Ed

  11. I’m pretty sure Cindy Trimm acquired her doctorate from Friends International University – http://www.ficu.edu/

    FICU provides doctoral studies via online courses and offers course credits for “life experience”. In other words it is a diploma mill. They will also confer an honorary doctorate upon you for the right price.

    Many of the biggest stars in the apostate religious system have acquired doctorates (mostly honorary) through this institution including TD Jakes, Bill Winston, Clarence McClendon, Dee Dee & Michael Freeman, I.V. & Bridgett Hilliard, Frederick K.C. Price, and many many more.

  12. Ruitje says:

    @Ian Devereux, the quote you use from the website of Trimm shows how proud these people are and how they promote themselves. It shows they are no followers of Christ. And they have not learned from Paul who didn’t boast about himself. Only the false ‘superapostles’ boast about themselves (2 Kor. 10, 11).

  13. Ken Silva says:

    Back in October of last year I began showing you that because of Purpose Driven Pope Rick Warren, this kind of spiritual foolishness is a lot closer to the mainstream of evangelicalism than you may know.

    For example in – Rick Warren, Cindy Trimm, Paula White & The Law Of Attraction: http://apprising.org/2010/11/12/rick-warren-cindy-trimm-paula-white-and-the-law-of-attraction/

    And – Rick Warren, Dr. Destiny, And Dr. Cindy Trimm: http://apprising.org/2010/10/13/rick-warren-dr-destiny-and-dr-cindy-trimm/

  14. This is similar to what I commented about on my own site recently regarding Rob Bell.

    These people are using extra-Biblical sources to teach their concept of a “god”.

    In the case of Rob Bell and his “Everything is Spiritual” video, as well as the video posted above, these people are attempting to become science teachers – and of course they are not experts in this area, making their own authority suspect – placing their authority in question.

    A preacher who can’t preach, an expositor who can’t exposit, and a scientist who doesn’t know knowledge. What good are some of these people? What good comes from their so-called “teaching?”

  15. Carolyn says:

    Ed…good list

    Here’s another title. DESTINY. Who controls your destiny?
    The premise of the false teachers is that if you can control the wind, the weather, the elphants and the kangaroos, then you can control your destiny.
    And then you need not submit to the cross, because you have already won!

  16. John Dunning says:

    Heard this message on Fighting for the Faith a few weeks ago, and I’m still as puzzled by it now!! :D

    Think this woman needs to read 1 Corinthinans 14:34 and take it to heart quickly!

  17. michael Henry says:

    I don’t have to listen to know it’s trash, any more than I need to stick my head in a garbage bag to know there is garbage there. Their histories make clear who and what they are.

    And I must protest at your waste of a perfectly good bucket. How “doctrinally-friendly” is that, kicking it off a cliff where it might actually land on someone…….

  18. ali says:

    And satan said to Eve -” hath G-D really said…”

    What a piece of garbage. Did you notice how many were in the audience? Sadly most of the world will swallow and follow most anything and follow anyone – as long as sin, repentence, hell, punishment, obedience, righteousness… are not mentioned.

    G-D must indeed be looooooooong suffering.!!!

  19. Ireland says:

    Why did Juanita have to keep backing away from her? It seems like a stage trick to show people that this woman is so “powerful” that you can’t even be next to her. It’s sick.

  20. Mike says:

    A “doctorate” eh? Hmmm…..I bet she got hers the same place I got mine when I was twelve years old…in the back of a Batman comic book for $19.95 plus shipping and handling.

    Grace and peace to all,

    Mike

  21. Nic says:

    Intergalactic Planetary Planetary Intergalactic

    LOL sub atomic kingdom “…single cell organisms” REALLY??? How do these people get any attention???

  22. Nic says:

    Just found where she gets her info – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qORYO0atB6g

  23. stan says:

    First, Thanks for those links, Steve and Ken.

    When Juanita Bynum got up to walk away, I thought at first she was walking off in protest; but I knew she doesn’t have that kind of integrity. So, she did it for some dramatic effect.

    I’m thankful I’ve not heard Ms. Trimm before, but Charlie Sheen makes more sense than she does. It’s very difficult to take such characters as Trimm and Bynum seriously if it were not for the fact that so many people do.

  24. Kiwi Dave says:

    Cindy Trimm is spaking a load of rubbish, and she is totally ignorant of what he is saying. I mean ignorant in the dictionary sense and not a slur. She basically hasn’t got a clue abiut the things she’s talking about – espescially when she got down to the “sub-atomic kingdom” with “viruses and freons and gravitons”. A virus is most definiately NOT a sub-atomic organism! Freon is a gas, and Gravitons which are theoretical particles that supposedly travel faster than light, but don’t actually exist according to this article:

    http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/50304

    So, “Doctor” Cindy Trimm must be related to that other “Doctor” from Gallifrey – the one in the blue Police Box! She just speaks whatever rubbish her mind dreams up trying to sound “authoritive”. She was always going on about “Kingdoms of this” and “Kingdoms of that”. I certainly feel sorry for all those that are being deceived by this woman. She should go home and read her bible:

    “Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?
    For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the LORD: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word. ” Isaiah 66:1 & 2 KJV

    “Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest? Hath not my hand made all these things? ”
    Acts 7:49 & 50 KJV

  25. Mike says:

    Right on, Kiwi!! Doctor, my eye. I face a dilemma though; who is more foolish? “Doctor” Cindy or the sheeple that follow her? My goodness….has ALL sense gone the way of the dinosaur? I won’t even use the word “common” sense anymore because it’s not common. Sheesh.

    Grace and peace,

    Mike

  26. Cop says:

    interglactic kingdoms being ruled by sub-atomic kingdoms over the earth, moon and stars. . . . . This woman needs to stop watching Stars Wars and the Discovery channel at the same time cause she’s all over the place.

    She most have recieved her Degree from FICU ( UNACREDITED, give me a couple hundred and I’ll make you a Doctor FICU)

  27. Mike A says:

    I got 1 minute into the video and could not watch anymore. That us very, very sad.

  28. Ruitje says:

    Saw this advertisement from Chuck Pierce for Passover. And I was surprised to see that Cindy Trimm will be there also. So Chuck Pierce likes her teaching the Law of Attraction???

    All the false apostels and prophets joined together…

  29. Ruitje says:

    Sorry, forgot the link about the Passover meeting with Chuck Pierce (and Peter Wagner, Dutch Sheets, and also Cindy Trimm and others).

    http://elijahlist.com/words/display_word.html?ID=9710

  30. Eli says:

    Isn’t Bynum that gal that was bragging in another video about her $5,000 pen? nuff said.

  31. WatEenZooitje says:

    So miss Trimm considers herself as a doctor. She probably thinks that she is also a prophet, an apostle, a teacher. Well, I know where she has all those titles in. It is all in the degree of Self-Proclaimed Titleism. So, if she would proclaim herself to be a president, than she is a president…..of her own fairy tale world. This teaching is ludricous. It reminds me of a teaching given by a ‘Dr.’ Heidler. He had a teaching about Planetary Worship. That planets are giving out sound/radio waves. He stated that with these sounds, the planets are worshipping God. At a certain point during this teaching, the musicians were playing alongside these sounds as a worshipsession. So, shofars and instruments next to these recorded sounds from NASA. Unfortunately, it is not available anymore at YouTube. But that was just as weird as this charlatan scientist/”spiritual leader”

  32. Ruitje says:

    @WatEenZooitje, I know that video with Heidler en Pierce. I have seen it also on another videowebsite. May be I can find it again.

    Chuck Pierce also works with Joan McFatter who has a lot of New Age and mystic ideas (google for her website).

  33. Kiwi Dave says:

    @ WatEenZooitje , that ‘Dr.’ Heidler may have a point. I wouldn’t build an entire doctrine around it, but regarding the planets worshipping God, Jesus Himself said this:

    “And when he was come nigh, even now at the descent of the mount of Olives, the whole multitude of the disciples began to rejoice and praise God with a loud voice for all the mighty works that they had seen; Saying, Blessed be the King that cometh in the name of the Lord: peace in heaven, and glory in the highest. And some of the Pharisees from among the multitude said unto him, Master, rebuke thy disciples. And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out. ” Luke 19:37 – 39 KJV

    King David wrote:

    “O worship the LORD in the beauty of holiness: fear before him, all the earth. Say among the heathen that the LORD reigns: the world also shall be established that it shall not be moved: he shall judge the people righteously. Let the heavens rejoice, and let the earth be glad; let the sea roar, and the fullness thereof.” Psalm 96:9 – 11 KJV

  34. stan says:

    @ Kiwi Dave, In fairness, Ms. Trimm didn’t say “freons,” she said “prions” which are proteins, not single cell organisms, which do cause Mad Cow disease as she said at 1:40. But, sub-atomic proteins, viruses and single-cell organisms along with gravitons, which are sub-atomic, eh? This is what an uneducated person pontificating as if they were educated sounds like. As a “doctor,” she’d get an F on a 6th grade science test. Her “science lesson” is laughable and sad at the same time.

  35. Will says:

    This is total nonsense. Unfortunately, multitudes of folks who walked the aisle and repeated the “sinners prayer” like parrots have never been born again and therefore have no spiritual discernment to realize that these are false teachers.

    The prophet Isaiah said, “To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them” (Is. 8:20). No light! None! When it comes to spiritual things, religious things: without the light of God’s Word we are in utter darkness.

  36. Manasseh Jones says:

    wow people lol cindy trimm destoys the religious system when she speaks and the devil has u decieved.she speaks pure truth and if you were a mature christian you would make mature comments.ones looking for the best in her.shes truly amazing.if it werent for her wed be stuck caught on religion runnin around wit alot of talk but never imapactin our environment or world. listening to her truly shows me dat God is good.bless u all :)

  37. Manasseh Jones says:

    Also wen ever God uses someone der never normal.i mean really wat is God really doin in our world. cud u answer dat question

  38. Ruitje says:

    @Kiwi Dave, Heidler is building a teaching that is influenced by new age and mysticism. I have seen that video with Heidler en Pierce. It has nothing to do with God or the Holy Spirit. Everything that happened in that meeting looked like pagan rituals.

  39. Ruitje says:

    @Mannaseh, maybe you should read your bible before saying that Cindy Trimm speaks truth… May your eyes be opened to see the heresy she preaches. She openly talks about the Law of Attraction that has everything to do with the occult, The Secret. Just google on Law of Attraction and you will see that it is not biblical at all but New Age and occult. So if Trimm is speaking truth, it is not the truth of God, it is the lie of satan she is talking about.

  40. Kiwi Dave says:

    @ stan, thanks for that. I thought she said “freons” but couldn’t really understand her.

    @Ruitje , I never ever heard of ‘Dr.’ Heidler, or seen any of his videos. The teaching about thew whole Universe worshipping God at first glace seems credible, as the scriptures also say that:

    “Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.” Revelation 4:11 KJV

    However, regarding the man Heidler, if he is a New Age teacher, then nothing he says or teaches has anything to do with Jesus as you said.

  41. Ruitje says:

    @Kiwi Dave, the teachings of Heidler (and Chuck Pierce) are filled with new age things. They dress up like ‘christians’, but they are wolves.

  42. WatEenZooitje says:

    @ Kiwi Dave: So maybe it is good to watch this video first and then give a comment. It is just plain weird what is he teaching. A lot of these teaching from the NAR are very discutable and Dr.Heidler is also one of those NAR figures. I know that heaven and earth are worshipping God but it is a mystery to me how it is done on or by other planets??? Some other religions believe that every object, so even you teddybear or your pen, would have a soul. It is a matter of time that the NAR will adapt that too as a biblical teaching.

  43. Kiwi Dave says:

    @ Ruitje and WatEenZooitje, which video are you referring to?

  44. Ruitje says:

    @Kiwi Dave, there was a long video from a conference with Chuck Pierce and Heidler. I watched it a few years ago. I tried to find it again, but I haven’t found it yet.

    There is nothing wrong with the scriptures you used.

    But Heidler used sounds that were very strange and they have a theory that these sounds can be used as a force. There is another man, Ray Hughes, working with Pierce and Heidler that has a strange theory about sounds and the power. It has nothing to do with God, but with powe men can use by themselves. It’s magic.

    Hughes will be at an Aglow conference (also very extreme charismatic) and this is what they write:
    Last year we experienced a corporate breakthrough related to Sound when Ray Hughes stated “God set a musical coding in the DNA of each person and each nation… to vibrate with the sound of heaven, bringing heaven to earth. This ministry has a role to play in this Sound!”
    Each Aglow nation and individual has the opportunity, the call, indeed the responsibility, to bring their Sound to Houston, Texas, as we align, blend and celebrate The Sound From The Nations. Respond to the call. This is a moment in time that cannot be missed!

    This is NAR-teaching and Dominion Theology. I once was working for Aglow in my country, but I quit when I saw that they were getting involved in Dominion Theology.
    Heidler en Pierce were at conferences of this organisation.

  45. Ruitje says:

    Here is another video from Glory of Zion where Pierce speaks about sounds (halfway the video).

  46. Ruitje says:

    @Kiwi, they have removed all the video’s on youtube and Google.
    I have saved a lot of video’s but these I have not in my map, wished I had downloaded them to show you.

    If you google on ‘Robert Heidler singing planets’ you can find articles from people who watched it.

  47. Kiwi Dave says:

    OK! I see what you mean. I couldn’t watch or listen to any more past the “I will make a sound saith the Lord” (or something like that). That whole video and gathering was nothing but witchcraft. What I found particularly offensive was all the rubbish about making a sound come from your loins. (or words to that effect). There is absolutely nothing scriptural about what’s happening in that video, and that was two years ago.

    It’s also interesting to read the title of the video as well, “Weekly Revelation from Glory of Zion International”. There is no more “revelation”! We have the scriptures and they all reveal and speak of Jesus, and the Salvation of God, which has already been revealed, as we all know. That’s why the last book in the Bible is called The Book of Revelation.

    Oh, hang on, there is one last revelation yet to be fulfilled, which is this one:

    “Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. ” II Thessalonians 2: 1 – 4 KJV

  48. Ruitje says:

    @Kiwi Dave, and this video was not as ‘bad’ as the one I and Wateenzootje were writing about… I think you couldn’t have watched that one for a second.

  49. Ruitje says:

    Here you can find more video’s from Glory of Zion and all their false revelations…

    http://www.youtube.com/user/gzimedia

  50. Ruitje says:

    And here you see more ‘pagan’ rituals performed by Glory of Zion…

    http://www.youtube.com/user/gzimedia#p/u/11/JeNNplbnLyI

  51. VOICE OF REASON says:

    Uneducated individuals…not Cindy Trimm and Juanita Bynum but everyone who thinks otherwise and insults them without carefully examining what she is saying.

    I can’t believe that these are actually Christians in here. No wonder the world thinks we’re loons. She made PERFECT sense when you watch this sermon in its entirety, AND if you watch this without any preconceived biased you WOULD understand what she’s trying to say. She explaining that the world was leased to man to rule and God in His sovereignty (Sovereignty is doing whatever you want, how you want when you want but it also means NOT doing what lies within your power to do) allows us to make our own decisions down here on earth. When she says God can’t come down here she is scripturally RIGHT. He can’t come down here and begin to release decrees and stuff like that. He COULD but he WON’T. Why? Because He’s sovereign and that’s why he CO-WORKS with man in order to realign this world back to His original plans and purpose.

    When God needed to come down on earth, he had to come through the womb of a woman who was Mary in the body of a man named Jesus. He needed to dwell in flesh and blood. That is also why the devil POSSESS individuals, he can’t appear on earth and do what he wants…NO, he needs a body to dwell here because earth was given FOR MAN to RULE (heck, that’s even why he dwelt in the body of a SNAKE). Why do you think the Holy Spirit dwells within us? Not to do the work of God? Why couldn’t God do it himself? SCRIPTURES are replete with this information and you guys need to do your work a LITTLE bit more. I’m well familiar with this video and I out of everyone here would have perfect knowledge of what she means since I did MY RESEARCH.

    So HOW is this wrong? —-> ““Because spirits do not have legal right in the earth realm. That’s why when God wanted legal access… not even God can come here! When God wanted legal access in the earth realm, He had to come through the womb of a woman.”

    The issue is that people lack the revelation of the word, so when your mind encounters something that is UNFAMILIAR, your paradigm AUTOMATICALLY rejects it as false or incorrect. If you say you don’t know or understand, that’s fine. But don’t say she’s speaking rubbish with your limited knowledge in theology. And EVEN if you THINK someone is wrong, don’t INSULT them…PRAY FOR THEM. Isn’t LOVE our first commandment? SMH!

    And to the owner of this webpage…you have WAY to much time on your hands.

    GOODBYE.

    • Actually, Voice of Reason… I don’t have enough time in my day to do all I would like, but you know what I mean.

      Now, if God had no legal right to come to this earth except through the womb of a woman, then what about the fiery furnace? What about the time He appeared to Abraham? Trimm said God couldn’t legally come here… so, what about those two circumstances?

  52. lynette says:

    I am horrified.I read my Bible and I realise what 2 Tim 3(whole 17 verses, really short but impactful) meant, esp verses 2, 5, 7-9, 13.I cannot believe we are so lacklustre as Christians.The people standing rejoicing at the words of this woman are what you would call the nominal deceived.Christian means little Christ, being like Christ in all ways but NOT being Him(the first of whom were named by the people of Antioch because of their Christlike lifestyle).We the church are His bride.Eph 4:15,Col 2:10.I understand that she wants to explain the order of God which is one of the definitions of righteousness but surely,SHE AS GOT IT HORRIBLY WRONG.THis is new age mentality,new world order fanaticism and the 666 antichrist(6 is the number of man ruling in religion(6),business(6) and govt(6) which are the core of all societies).1 Jn 2:18.God is the head of all things.He only GAVE the earth to man.Psalm115:16.How can someone give you something that does not belong to them?my parents have a right to enter my bedroom since it is their house,but they also respect my privacy.Same thing with God:He tells us what He wants to do before He does it on the earth(Isaiah 42:9) BUT HE IS STILL SOVEREIGN.HE CHOOSES WHETHER TO TELL US OR NOT.But the fact that He gave us the earth(read my bedroom in my parents house)means He upholds His word before His name and tells us who arefaithful to Him like Abraham before He destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah.This sermon takes free will too far to the place of rebellion and selfishness.Then why please Him if we already have all authority without His help?Rev 4:11.AND the devil IS after us because we do not know the exceeding power we have in Christ.Eph 1:17-23.He wants us blinded to the fact that just like husband and wife, Christ has a bride who will be lifted above every other mountain.ISaiah 2:1-3,60:1-3.Tongues are also important because of Romans 8:26-28 and 1 Cor 14:5.Tongues are the gift of the Holy Ghost and help us to be in God’s perfect will and also to build faith.Jude 20.Paul wished ALL could speak in tongues and prophesy.
    And one more thing: since we have power in Christ who by the way lives in us, we are even ministered to by angels.Heb 1:14 and we are above every principality and power because of 1 John 4:17.If we were not valuable, then God would not die for us(Phil 2:5-11).He never died for any angel,let alone satan himself who was the first to sin as an archangel(Is 14,Ezekiel 28).He values us more than an angel and says we are His bride just like husband and wife.We share in all He has.1 Cor 3:21.1 Tim 6:17 AND the whole of JOHN 17.Heb 1:13-14.Please don’t be those nominal deceived people(NOT Christians acc. to definition).Look up these scriptures and discover the real truth about being the son of God(Psalm 82:6) and your potential,purpose and inheritance in Christ Jesus.Amen.

  53. lynette says:

    And madam voice of reason, I think you should have been more polite when addressing the owner of the site you are posting a comment in.You may have a difference in opinion but voice it with Godly character.We all have the same Holy Spirit.Let Him be the equaliser of all these things we hear and read.And you must at least note that by the grace of God anyone can be right(read got the Spirit of God right) and by His mercy even though we are wrong we can be corrected. All scripture is to teach,correct and direct in doctrine amongst other things.2 Tim 3:16.Prove all things.I agree with you in part(not throwing the baby and the bath water out)but there are some seriously flawed things she was saying which were new age teachings.it is important to be able to distinguish the two, and,from your answer,you were sounding a little offended instead of objective.We are all growing by God’s grace.Thank God that the things we all now know are not the same as before meaning that we can better judge as we continue to grow.That is why I’ll encourage everyone to concede easily if we find out in future we were wrong and not to be proud if we are right.God bless us all as we continue to grow in Him.The same goes for Madam Cindy Trimm(I’ve never even heard of her).Thank you for this site.

  54. lynette says:

    Gosh!I’m talking too much. anyway,I read all the other comments and I must say that we need to speak the truth IN LOVE.Don’t compromise the truth but don’t also compromise Godliness.I’m a doctor and some things Madam Trimm says are not true scientifically.Sub-atomic means things that are components that make up atoms(smaller than atoms),eg. neutrons,protons,electrons.It’s important for most gospel ministers to be careful to research all the things they may say esp from a scientific view. Please remember that the heart of witchcraft is manipulation.Manipulation of God’s principles(both spiritual and universal)in a negative manner is witchcraft.
    Something very important:ONLY GOD KNOWS THE HEART.So work out your own salvation with fear and trembling lest you have a log in your eye as you point out a speck in others.BUT speak the truth always, in love.AND we are not judging but proving. 1John 4:1.
    Ask yourselves what Jesus would give as an answer or solution.If they knew that they were deceiving the people of God for show,then they are vipers like the Pharisees and have their reward already.But if not,let’s pray for their eyes to be opened.
    Meanwhile, let us all grow in God’s word as we continue to be changed from glory to glory(2 Cor 3:18) and as we are washed with water by Christ by the word (Eph 5:26)so that we can come to the fullness of the measure of the stature of Christ(Eph 4:13).
    I’m Kenyan so it’s 1:32am here so I’ve got to go to bed.I like this.It should be done more often in the body of Christ so that each iron sharpens another one.Prov 27:17.God bless you all.

  55. Ruitje says:

    @VOICE, I think Cindy Trimm is very deceived. In a word on Elijahlist she openly speaks about the Law of Attraction. That comes from The Secret, and occult teaching. The whole WOF-teaching about words that have power is nothing more than occult teaching that comes from New Thought (Quimby) and Christian Science.

    Do some research and study your bible not with the view from WOF, but read in context and read the whole bible. Not some quotes people like Trimm use as favorites.

  56. Demetrius says:

    Her teaching sounds a deadly cocktail mixed with: Funkadelic,Word of faith, E.W.Kenyon and a purchased Ph D mixed into one bad mess of theology

  57. Angel Jones says:

    This is Crazy…….Truth recognize truth….ppl dnt b decieved Dr.Cindy Trimm is speaking truth…satan is decieving so many believers nowadays…its sad…..God isnt n control of THIS world bcuz if he was there wouldnt b murders kidnapping exc. In the Bible it says “The father of THIS world” meaning tht God isnt but instead Satan is….God is a god of Love n wants no harm done to people…the world we living in is an carnal fleshly world…our spirits cannot maintain here without our bodies…n tht is why Jesus had to b born thru woman….to have access to this world. CINDY TRIMM is so amazing to me….God uses her n such an effective way to breakdown blindness n ignorance……”for it is for a lack of knowledge tht my ppl perish”…..dnt b ignorant….listen to her. :)

  58. stan says:

    Dear Angel,
    You wrote “God isnt n control of THIS world bcuz if he was there wouldnt b murders kidnapping exc.” No one who has understood the Bible could possibly make that kind of statement. For example, Daniel 5:21: the Most High God rules in the kingdom of men, and appoints over it whomever He chooses. Every government no matter how cruel, evil or good has been appointed by God and no one else — the one whom you claim is not in control of this world. See Romans 13.

    If he would not allow murders, what of Stephen’s death? That was a murder. What of James the apostle by Herod in Acts 12? That was a murder. What of the murder of Abel by Cain or Nabaoth by Jezebel? What of God authorizing the death of 10 of Job’s children at the hand of Satan in chapter 1 and 2 of Job. Jesus’ death was a murder. What of the early Christians slain in Rome’s Coliseum? What of these murdered souls in Rev. 6:9-11 When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held. And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed. In Revelation, God is seen on the throne, ruling, yet tells these souls to be patient until the remainder of their brethren are likewise murdered.

    God rules despite the fact that there are such things going on. God is proving to mankind just what kind of a world it is when men reject him and his commandments as Adam and Eve did in the Garden and as humans have continued to do ever since. So, don’t say he is not ruling now. Read the word and stop listening to the ear-scratching pronouncements of these modern false teachers and false prophets who are making big money from poorly discipled believers who cannot discern their grand and empty doctrines.

    Stan

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