Patricia King: The Media Mountain Has to be Taken!

By now, most of my readers are familiar with the prophetic movement’s seven-mountain mandate, which is the strategy the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) has adopted for taking over the world.  Those seven mountains, which they believe need to be conquered in order to gain control of the earth, are: 

  1. Government
  2. Business
  3. Education
  4. Arts and Entertainment
  5. Family Services
  6. Media
  7. The Church

In the video below, Patricia King rallies the NAR troops by saying, “…the media mountain, it has to be taken!  It must be possessed and occupied by the body of Christ because if we don’t take it, the enemy will!  He’s got a pretty good position in that mountain now, so we got to take him down and establish the flag of the Lord on that mountain.”  I’m sure the CEOs of all the major networks are shaking in their boots.

King says that if they conquer that mountain, kingdom communication will be forthcoming from the body of Christ to the nations of the world.  That’s wishful thinking on King’s part, for if they were able to take over the media, the only thing that would be forthcoming is false doctrine along the lines of which only Patricia King, Cindy Jacobs, Todd Bentley (who was mentored by King), Rick Joyner, and Bob Jones can convey.  And that’s just naming a few!

King believes that by taking over and teaching the church the art of directing, producing, and makeup artistry, they will somehow advance the kingdom of God.  How much money and time will be wasted on worthless endeavors like this?  It’s a shameful state of the church and conventions like the Media Fest that King is promoting contradict the Word of God, which tells us that God chose the preaching of the gospel as the means for souls to be saved.  (1 Corinthians 1:21)

Perhaps the saddest part of the video is when King says, “We’re going to see the glory released into this new realm of media.”  Joshua Mills is one of the keynotes at this conference, and this is the same Joshua Mills who claims to have eaten golden leaves from the tree of life, and who just last month offered “anointed” cloths soaked with oil from his feet as a free gift in return for a generous donation, and this is the same Joshua Mills whose wife claims their son was born covered in gold dust

King says this isn’t just an event, but a prophetic environment where they will come together and prophesy into the atmosphere the emergence of God’s media army.  While they’re planning and plotting ways to take over the world and pad their pockets with the benefits, there are unsung heroes of the faith who, for little to no pay, trek the earth to share the gospel because the souls Jesus died to redeem are worth more than the ivory castles and the accolades that comes along with false doctrine.  There are faithful ministers who climb behind the pulpit and have the courage to teach the truth of God’s Word inspite of the false teachers who compromise for fame, fortune, and popularity.

Never believe conqering the world will bring God’s Kingdom to this earth.  The Bible tells us that as time goes by, the earth will grow increasingly wicked and that will only be dealt with when Lord Jesus returns.  Not a moment before.  Until then, let us continue to share the gospel, which is the power of God for salvation in this dark world.  (Romans 1:16)

The NAR can keep their media empire – I’ll take the gospel.

 

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49 Responses to Patricia King: The Media Mountain Has to be Taken!

  1. Rene says:

    I do think that the media can be a means to share the gospel. I also think that it can be a means to abuse others falsely in the name of the gospel.

    I also think that there are books that can be a means to share the gospel – but also a means to abuse others falsely in the name of the gospel.

    Bottom line is that each individual needs to study and show themselves approved. Do to others as you would have them to do to you, care for those in need with attention paid to the fatherless and widows.

    What bothered me is in that long list, the CHURCH is listed. That alone should make a person step back and take more than a second look at what is being suggested.

    JESUS is the HEAD. He is the Head from the beginning to the end – and as I type what I am right now. Just WHAT is it that is being suggested that they need to “conquered in order to gain control of the earth”? Second, since their is a NEW EARTH coming, WHY the need to?

    Boggles the mind….

  2. Rev's Kate & Rich M. says:

    I can have 50 Oscars on my shelf and a host of Emmy’s and Tony’s, literary accolades– those awards will not bring this world any closer to the pre-ordained, prophetic Second Coming of Christ–a good presentation on film or stage. etc., can be effectual in evangelizing– as long as God’s word is first and foremost.
    Been there, done that. K

  3. Ruitje says:

    @Rene, we can share the gospel through the media, but PKing is teaching another gospel, another ‘jesus’. And the NAR doesn’t want to share the real gospel. These apostles an prophets want power and fame.

    I used to read and watch all the stuff from Patricia, and she moved from Canada to the US, just to become famous and deceive more people. In Canada many people know how she is deceiving people with here supernatural stories about angels, orbs, jewels and feathers falling from the sky.

  4. Annunk says:

    Chrystal,

    I have a question about this Seven mountains thing. This is an NAR teaching, right? (This was brand new to me.) Is this in any way, shape or form connected with anything IHOP, led my Mike Bickle in Kansas City, is doing? Never mind. Bob Jones is into it.

    Next question: What does the “family services” portion of this mountain entail? And do you know if Joel’s Army fits into any of this?

    Thanks and always ready to learn something new! ;)

    Annunk

  5. Ruitje says:

    This video is just a commercial for PK’s business. And she uses ‘god’ and ‘jesus’ so people will come…

  6. Ruitje says:

    PK has no trust in the fact that the Holy Spirit can communicate to people. If she really was full of the Holy Spirit, she would know that He doesn’t need media and the airwaves to communicate. But if you don’t have the Holy Spirit, but another ‘spirit’ that is not omnipresent, than you need the media, the airwaves and the internet to spread the false gospel of that spirit.

    They are building their own kingdom.

  7. Annunk says:

    Chrystal, that being the case – 7 mountains, NAR, IHOP all being one in the same… well it’s more than amazing. It’s mind boggling. Maybe I’ve been in la -la land, but it really seems like time itself is speeding up. All of these New Age teachings seem as though they came from nowhere and yet they’re suddenly everywhere!

    And to Rev’s Kate and Rich M., you’re quite right. It’s all going to burn some day anyway – that is everthing except God’s Word. That will be the same yesterday, today and forever. I have felt a genuine sense of urgency, almost a desperate feeling to share the Lord with others and lead them to Him. I believe we’re very close to something quite proportionate. Christs’ return? Who knows – but something.

  8. David says:

    Two words from Patricia King are a sure giveaway as to what spirit she is speaking with – “possessed” and “occupied“.

    She’ s taken all the OT references and promises to the Nation of Israel regarding occupying the Promised Land and applied them to The Church!! So, is the Church supposed to go in, kill all the workers and their families including the pets leaving nothing alive and “occupy” each and every office and building belonging to every media outlet in the world??? Even if that proposterous notion were true, it couldn’t be done – there simply aren’t enough Christians.

    Hang on, did they say “Seven Mountains?” You know, there is a scriptural reference regarding the “Seven Mountains” right here:

    “And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.” Revelation 17:9 KJV

  9. David Green says:

    The need to control everything demonstrates the absence of God-given true faith and the presence of flesh driven false faith.

  10. Paul Gesh says:

    This charlatan is delusional.

  11. Carolyn says:

    I have two pictures in my mind:
    The first one is a bunch of sheep being herded down a narrow passageway, plunging ahead, jostling each other on their way into the slaughter house, but completely oblivious of any such a fate. They are happy animals, well fed, sleek but with an appointment with death.
    The second picture is of a few sheep in a pasture, grazing, with one eye on their Shepherd who sits nearby on a rock and their ears attentive to his voice.

    Next, I present a prophecy from Zechariah 11:
    It is about Israel and the two shepherds
    Notice the interaction…the bad shepherds take advantage of the sheep, the Lord hands them over, the good shepherd pastures the oppressed of the flock, gets rid of the evil shepherds, in turn the flock despises the good shepherd and the shepherd grows weary of the sheep who are bent on their own destruction. The true Shepherd, Christ is sold by the sheep to get rid of him. In judgement, God raises up a false shepherd, a worthless shepherd who will not care for them, but will abuse them and in the end he(the Antichrist shepherd) and his followers will be destroyed.
    Two Shepherds
    4 This is what the LORD my God says:
    “Pasture the flock marked for slaughter.
    5 Their buyers slaughter them and go unpunished. Those who sell them say, ‘Praise the LORD, I am rich!’ Their own shepherds do not spare them.
    6 For I will no longer have pity on the people of the land,” declares the LORD. “I will hand everyone over to his neighbor and his king. They will oppress the land, and I will not rescue them from their hands.”
    7 So I pastured the flock marked for slaughter, particularly the oppressed of the flock. Then I took two staffs and called one Favor and the other Union, and I pastured the flock.
    8 In one month I got rid of the three shepherds.
    The flock detested me, and I grew weary of them 9 and said, “I will not be your shepherd. Let the dying die, and the perishing perish. Let those who are left eat one another’s flesh.”
    10 Then I took my staff called Favor and broke it, revoking the covenant I had made with all the nations.
    11 It was revoked on that day, and so the afflicted of the flock who were watching me knew it was the word of the LORD.
    12 I told them, “If you think it best, give me my pay; but if not, keep it.” So they paid me thirty pieces of silver.
    13 And the LORD said to me, “Throw it to the potter”-the handsome price at which they priced me! So I took the thirty pieces of silver and threw them into the house of the LORD to the potter.
    14 Then I broke my second staff called Union, breaking the brotherhood between Judah and Israel.
    15 Then the LORD said to me, “Take again the equipment of a foolish shepherd. 16 For I am going to raise up a shepherd over the land who will not care for the lost, or seek the young, or heal the injured, or feed the healthy, but will eat the meat of the choice sheep, tearing off their hoofs.
    17 “Woe to the worthless shepherd,
    who deserts the flock!
    May the sword strike his arm and his right eye!
    May his arm be completely withered,
    his right eye totally blinde

    The point in this whole comment is that I wonder at those who have snubbed the True Shepherd and his plan for the Church. He said “my kingdom is not of this world”. I wonder at these Dominionist worldlings who will be among those that will choose this final endtime shepherd who does not care for the sheep but, along with the kings and rulers of this world, will be marked for slaughter.
    The dominionists want to build a kingdom of their own. And although media is not evil in itself, this media fest is for the purpose of exalting the earthly Kingdom Now and their proponents. It is already marked for destruction.
    It will be part of the whole defection of those in Israel and the Nations who wish to accept the Antichrist’s kingdom. Those who follow it, will follow it to its appointment with death.
    We, the Church, pasturing quietly in God’s Word, will soon hear our true Shepherd’s voice. Come up here! to greener pastures, eternal waters and a kingdom that is not of this world.
    And then will come the King of Kings and Lord of Lords to set up his rule on earth.
    2Thessalonians 2:
    8And then the lawless one will be revealed, WHOM THE LORD JESUS WILL OVERTHROW WITH THE BREATH OF HIS MOUTH AND DESTROY BY THE SPLENDOR OF HIS COMING. 9The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, 10and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.

  12. Michael C says:

    I wonder how close Temple Arizona is to the new age mecca of Sedona? Maybe King could call out some of her former new age pals and form the New Age apostolic reformation?

  13. Rev's Kate & Rich M. says:

    My dear Annunk– you are quite right in having an urgency to present God’s word– follow the guidance of the Holy Spirit and He will direct your paths. K

  14. charity says:

    I agree chrystal. I’ll take the gospel. Doesn’t she realize that the supposed “directing” techniques originally come from the world? They just keep making stuff up as they go along.

  15. David says:

    It’s obvious all the people and “prophets” mentioned by Patricia King have abosolutely no idea about the true nature of God, or His word! This is the way God does things:

    “Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts.” Zechariah 4:6 KJV

    “Woe to the rebellious children, saith the LORD, that take counsel, but not of me; and that cover with a covering, but not of my spirit, that they may add sin to sin: That walk to go down into Egypt, and have not asked at my mouth; to strengthen themselves in the strength of Pharaoh, and to trust in the shadow of Egypt! Therefore shall the strength of Pharaoh be your shame, and the trust in the shadow of Egypt your confusion.” Isaiah 30: 1 – 3 KJV

    Of course, we know that Egypt is a type that represents the world and the way of the world is not the way of God!

    “Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.” I Corinthians 2:12

    “And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.”
    Romans 12:2 KJV

  16. Teresa says:

    Chrystal, I found this chart several year ago of New Age Term in the Church from Sarah Leslie. She is with Herescope Ministrie and Discernment ministries. Notice you will have three columns (1) tarditional meaning (2) misleading means and real meaning. These terms you will hear from this WOF/NAR bunch more than anyone else. Sarah Leslie came out of the New Age years ago only to find out the same terms were in the church. I felt I needed to share this about now because I feel we all need to recognize what we are hearing to be true or not true. I know one thing in my old church that I use to hear them say all the time that use to not set well with me. That God was going to take up from level to level to level. Matter fact, Israel Houghton and the New Breed wrote that song from my old church platform. ” I’m going to another level” New ager talk about that and so do freemasons. just wondering.

    Here is that link http://www.crossroad.to/glossary/church/na_terms.htm

  17. Teresa says:

    Sorry, I should have done spell check. Traditional meaning, misleading meaning and real meaning.

  18. Ruitje says:

    @David, what you quote from Revelation shows what the source of the Dominion Theology is…

    And the woman that is seated on the Seven Mountains is ‘Mystery Babylon the Great, the Mother of Harlots and Abominations of the Earth’.

  19. Carolyn says:

    Teresa…thanks for correct spelling…I was looking at tarditional…looking and looking, couldn’t find it in the dictionary. :-)

  20. David says:

    You should check out the very first part of these sermon notes by Paula White regarning having the correct “Attitude of Grattitude”:

    http://74.208.107.12/PWM/sermon_notes/An%20Attitude%20of%20Gratitude%20112909.pdf

    Check out all the misquotations and false dcotrine, espescially this bit:

    “i. However, you can’t go to a higher ground if you are living on a lower level”

    Sound familiar?

  21. Carolyn says:

    mikey – I wondered what some of these old charismatic participants, (including Dino who was Kathryn Khulman’s musician) were doing now. My dad was an enthusiastic follower of Jim Bakker’s PTL club. We all bought JB’s line then, got hooked and sunk with his ship when it went down. Now he’s out there again. And there are his charismatic crew; being recycled through The Jim Bakker Show! On his advertisement, his final creative hook:
    “Give God one year of your life and see what happens.”
    should read: Give Jim Bakker one year of your life and see what happens…
    if people really want to give God one year of their life, they will get into His Word. And not with all the lures and spinners of Jim Bakker’s fishing expedition.
    God has exposed these charletans for what they are and yet…people still go back for more of their fancy feasts served up on a platter of succulent propaganda and tasty promises of worldy success.
    Colossians 2
    1I want you to know how much I am struggling for you and for those at Laodicea, and for all who have not met me personally. 2My purpose is that they may be encouraged in heart and united in love, so that they may have the full riches of complete understanding, in order that they may know the mystery of God, namely, Christ, 3in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. 4I TELL YOU THIS SO THAT NO ONE MAY DECEIVE YOU BY FINE-SOUNDING ARGUMENTS.5For though I am absent from you in body, I am present with you in spirit and delight to see how orderly you are and how firm your faith in Christ is.

  22. Barry Boyd says:

    This lady has the strangest looking eyes,it’s errie looking.Check em out in the above video.They are wild looking and fierce.

  23. Teresa says:

    Barry, It is funny you mentioned their eyes. This prophetic movement are obsessed with Eagles. This is just me but they all have this fierce look in their eyes, like Eagle’s eyes. My friend Deb and I use to talk about how their eyes look like eagle eyes but not in a good way, hope that helps.

  24. anna says:

    We’re supposed to possess the media mountain? I thought that’s what godTV was for, and a fine job of it they are doing. :mrgreen:

    Just imagine explaining this “christian” strategy to the jailed and starving pastor in China, or the woman in Pakistan with 5 children whose husband was just martyred.

    … and God’s answer to the martyrs under the throne is, “we’re waiting for them to plant their flag on the media mountain.” *sigh*

  25. Ruitje says:

    @Barry Boyd, it’s also interesting to see the eyes of Todd Bentley, Bob Jones and John Paul Jackson in video’s… dark looking eyes.

  26. Barry Boyd says:

    U know whats crazy,I have had many of these people pray for me and I didnt see it than beacuse I was blind.It is no different for the people who still follow them,they still cant see,and for some reason God chose 2 open my eyes and the eyes of my wife and we were’t even asking.Isn’t that like our God 2 do that?I get goose bumps all over when I think about where we were and how he brought us out from amongst them.The false doctrine,the twisting of scripture 2 confirm 2 people that what they r teaching is from God and it is what he is saying,the false signs and wonders and all the other spiritual garbage they were and still are flinging around.I know I am not the only one on here who has been saved from this,speak up and speak out cuz u never know who is reading these postings.It might be a person who is caught in this deception and searching 4 a way out ad what u have 2 say might be what they need 2 hear.God Bless u all,continue like good soldiers in Christ 2 contend for the faith.

  27. David says:

    Have you seen the logo that Todd Bently uses on his website? It shows the world being consumed with fire!! I don’t need to tell you what the scripture says about that!

  28. Ruitje says:

    @David, Bentley is screaming for FIRE everytime. But the fire that John the Baptist spoke of (Jesus would baptize with the Holy Spirit and with fire) is the fire of judgement… not the supernatural golden glory.

  29. WatEenZootje says:

    @ Teresa

    You wrote: ” I know one thing in my old church that I use to hear them say all the time that use to not set well with me. That God was going to take up from level to level to level. Matter fact, Israel Houghton and the New Breed wrote that song from my old church platform. ” I’m going to another level” New ager talk about that and so do freemasons.”

    It’s a bit funny for me personally that you wrote this. I myself really do like Israel Houghton and New Breed and Martha Munizzi because of their jazzrock/funky style of praise and worship. But during my process with God to be more Biblebased not popularbased, I discovered that some songs of Mr. Houghton and Mrs. Munizzi are questionable. They are either NAR-founded (Going to Another level, Another Breakthrough, Your latter will be greater) or WoF-based (Favor of the Lord, Turn it around). But if you notice that they are influenced by Mr. Joel Osteen, then you know why the songs are written with those lyrics. Anyway, these songs didn’t help me in my walk with the Lord. Because if they were real promises by God’s Word, why did all the ways towards such things did not bring me to that Other Level. I’ve went to meetings and conferences with Benny Hinn, Morris Cerullo, Ana Mendez, Eurospirit (a charismatic conference in The Netherlands) and other festivities and they all promised me New Fresh Liquid Fire, New Wine, New Season, Prosperity and healing etc. But….although it seems that they transfered their God-given anointing to me and a lot of others, I haven’t seen any measurable fruit of it. Some of the people I’ve went with have denounced the Lord Jesus. I’m still not having this level of prosperity, spiritual success, big anointing etc. Actually, my “breakthrough” came when I started to have the Word of God as my guiding principle again. When I discovered that I am a sinner that need Jesus’ Grace and Mercy on a daily basis. That it is not a main issue to become a spiritual superhero as the likes of Hinn, Dollar, Copeland etc. I discovered that God loves me as I am. The Word of God says that The Fear of the Lord is the beginning of all wisdom. And eversince I have that proverb locked up in my heart I discovered how good God is. I am really looking forward to meet Him and I am glad that I am a citizen of His Kingdom.

    So let the NAR and WoF have all their fame, glamour and glitter, dishonest money, self indulgence, false teachings, doctrines and experiences etc. etc.. I stick with Jesus Christ, His Word, His Grace, God of Israel worship only, self denial, being content with what you have, living a life that is based on His commandments. Although life is not that easy then, at least I know He is faithful, just and full of Grace.

  30. Eli says:

    @ Teresa and Barry – I noticed. THe eyes will tell you so much.

  31. Carolyn says:

    Barry Boyd: You are right…we need to keep speaking up because God said his Word will not return to him without first accomplishing his purpose. So we never know who will hear what and what will strike where. To be sure God continues to work in our hearts continually and even as Christians, by constant exposure to the Word, we are able to be transformed into his image by the power of his Spirit.
    So even though we may be wearied by the continual onslaught of contempt from the arrogant and the anger of the proud, (Psalm 124) we will speak and perhaps in doing so, one more bird will escape the fowler’s snare.
    Psalm 124
    1 If the LORD had not been on our side—
    let Israel say-
    2 if the LORD had not been on our side
    when men attacked us,
    3 when their anger flared against us,
    they would have swallowed us alive;
    4 the flood would have engulfed us,
    the torrent would have swept over us,
    5 the raging waters
    would have swept us away.
    6 Praise be to the LORD,
    who has not let us be torn by their teeth.
    7 We have escaped like a bird
    out of the fowler’s snare;
    the snare has been broken,
    and we have escaped.
    8 Our help is in the name of the LORD,
    the Maker of heaven and earth.

  32. David says:

    @ Ruitje when I saw that logo on Todd Bentley’s website, the first thing that came to mind was this scripture which basically what that logo portrays:

    “But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.” 2 Peter 3:10 KJV

  33. Carolyn says:

    Eli – “the eyes are the window of the soul” a proverb with a hazy history but true all the same.

  34. Carolyn says:

    WatEenZootje: so good of you to share part of your journey. Praise God!

  35. Ruitje says:

    @David, I knew you were talking about 2 Peter.
    But Bentley is not thinking of that fire… He thinks of his anointing fire, his false fire to cover and transform the world (NAR).

    @WatEenZootje, bedankt! I recognize so much in your story. Yesterday I was asked to come to a group that looks at the biblestudyseries in our church and they wanted to know from me what I had researched in 2008 and 2009 about Lakeland (Bentley) and TRIN. They were glad that I could help them. I also told them how God opened my eyes before it was too late and how He saved me from the ‘charismania’.
    When I went home, I was so glad again that God had showed me the Truth. He is good!

  36. David says:

    I saw the same look in Benny Hinn’s eyes at the end of part 1 of the NBC Dateline video when he said “look into my eyes”…. he really looks demon possessed. Patricia King reminds me of all those late night clairvoyants that used to be on TV. It wouldn’t surprise me if it’s the same evil spirits using a different tactic!

  37. Barry Boyd says:

    Here is something that is very sobering.It is what I beleive and if I am wrong than I am willing 2 be corrected.I dont beleive for one minute any more and havent since God brought us out of the spiritual retardation we were in that the annointing they speak of and lay hands on people 2 receive is from the Lord.I dont beleive that it is the Holy Spirit that people are receiving when any of those quacks lay hands on people and pray for them.I beleive they are receiving a spirit but its not the Holy Spirit.These people like Bentlley,Benny Hinn,Rodney Howard Browne etc have been spreadng a virus thru out the body of Christ 4 yrs.They are contageous and 2 be avoided for the sake of spiritual health and well being.For yrs and yrs I chased after the annointing,here there and everywhere,when I never needed 2.Sripture teaches that he Lord dwells in me in all his fulness,so tell me what more do I need?I have everything I need cuz I have Jesus.I use 2 hear people praying more Lord more,I even use 2 pray it over peopl,e but one day God showed me that was wrong cuz I got all the Lord has 2 give me,I have him all of him,so how could I ask for more.Just some thoughts I wanted 2 share.

  38. Ruitje says:

    @Barry, interesting to state that it is a virus.

    Bentley said in one of his meetings in Lakeland that his anointing was contageous…

    It is like a virus, strange fire.

  39. Ruitje says:

    http://www.god.tv/video/play?video=1519

    Halfway the video, Patricia King is cleary teaching Dominion and a men centred gospel.
    She is talking about oneness. But I see the false teaching becoming ‘one’: dominion, latter rain, prosperity, WOF…

  40. Ruitje says:

    And Patricia King is talking double: speaking about stopping with sin, but she supported Todd Bentley???

  41. ian vincent says:

    Our dear brother Sean Scott has written this astute piece:

    **Trying to save what God will destroy**

    http://preachingjesus.wordpress.com/2010/08/23/trying-to-save-what-god-will-destroy/

    ——————————————————————————-

    http://ianvincent.wordpress.com/2010/08/11/seven-mountains/

    I’ve known a guy for many years who is sort of a half-universalist. He is a teacher and theologian.
    He quotes:

    Eph 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fullness of times he might gather together in one **all things** in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

    and..

    Eph 4:10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might **fill all things**.)

    (and many other texts)

    And he uses these scriptures as a basis to believe that all the world will be influenced by Jesus, the whole society will gradually be transformed into a righteous one.

    I said to him, What is the point of the society becoming a “good society” if the people are still lost and go to hell? It’s like a cruel joke, that they can go to hell as “better people” ?

    http://ianvincent.wordpress.com/

  42. Ruitje says:

    @ian, thanks for the article. This is very helpfull.

  43. Carolyn says:

    Ian Vincent
    Your friend is doing exactly what all cults do. They come up with their agenda, idea, theology and then they pull scriptures and phrases from all over the Bible to build their case. No matter that everything is out of context. As long as it supports their heresy.

    It is so refreshing to have the Word of God taught with correct doctrinal exegesis by people who have studied it “in context”. Then you get a true picture of who God is, what his plans are and what is important to him. Every scripture then agrees with God’s truth about his holiness, his redemption, his inevitable wrath for an unbelieving world, his continuing dealing with Israel and his setting up his millenial kingdom with Christ ruling from “the Mountain of the Lord”….rather than the seven mountains of error.

    Everything your friend is talking about is a paradox. Impossible. How can God transform our society into a righteous society when there is nothing righteous about them? Good point.

  44. Ruitje says:

    http://www.elijahlist.com/words/display_word/9078

    They want to take the Media-mountain. It is clear they don’t believe in the real God and real Holy Spirit. They think they have to use technology to reach people. Well, it is clear that it is not God who is omnipresent, but satan who is not, is being promoted by the NAR-people.

    This is what Julie A. Smith says:
    Last week I had a dream I was standing on a street in Hollywood, California. I was looking for a home but couldn’t find one. I felt lost, homeless, and confused as to why I was standing in this place all alone. A woman who knew how I felt approached me and said, “Did you look on Media Spring Street?”

    When she said the words “Media Spring Street,” my spirit filled with great joy and anticipation. I knew in my spirit this was a new place—a new street being built by God Himself. He was placing people on His street where a new Media movement would spring up. I knew I needed to get to Media Spring Street because that’s where I belonged!

    In my dream I hadn’t arrived at this street yet; this was just downloaded to me as this woman mentioned only the street name. It reminded me of hearing the words “Disneyland” and how we are instantly filled with joy and recognize it as a happy place full of fun. The words “Media Spring Street” created a movement of its own. When people just simply heard “Media Spring Street” it was like catching a wave of God and you wanted to get there as fast as you could!

    Then God starting giving me revelation about this new street He is building. He said it is a “highway” for Him being built, and the people He called there make up the highway. They themselves are the very Media Spring Street that would spring up. I understood this to be a holy place, a higher ground, and a highway built for God.

    See, I am doing a new thing! Now it springs up; do you not perceive it? I will even make a roadway in the wilderness, rivers in the desert.—Isaiah 43:19

    This is what Julie Meyer says:
    “God is the spring in motion for the “new” that He is releasing to the earth, and God’s heart is to topple the “mountain of Media” as we know it today.”

    “I felt like God somehow transported me into the future. In the dream, I was sitting at a movie and all around me people were crying and, literally, the Lord was pouring out the Spirit of Wisdom and Revelation and people were getting saved at the movies. What was being released “through” this movie was literally the Spirit of Wisdom and Revelation. People were coming into the full knowledge of God, and all they were doing was watching a movie.”

    It’s all dreams, new revelation, not biblical.

  45. Carolyn says:

    Oooooo, I remember the days when I walked in dreams and visions……. the ones that accomplished Satan’s purpose. They gave me goosebumps, filled me with Disneyland thrills and took my eyes off of Christ…and him crucified. Good times! eh Ruitje?…ooops! Just spoke a Canadian-ism. (“eh” is purely Canadian, so we are told)
    Anyhow, just reading this stuff now, it gives new meaning to the words strong and powerful delusion.

    Romans 11
    They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie

    Julie Smith can travel the highway of Media Spring Street if she wants to, but I will travel the highway of holiness WHICH IS CHRIST!
    She says the heart of God’s truth is to topple the Mountain of media!
    What a visionary pile of nonsense! They have no idea of what the heart of God’s Truth is or they would never buy into this stuff.
    Christ is God’s Truth. period. The deeper we go in the knowledge of Christ, the wiser we become. He is the Spirit of Knowledge and Wisdom. What are these people being saved into? If it isn’t Christ, the Power of God, the Wisdom of God, the Fullness of God, then it isn’t God!
    1 Corinthians 1:17
    For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel—not with words of human wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.
    1 Corinthians 1:18
    [ Christ the Wisdom and Power of God ] For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
    1 Corinthians 1:24
    but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.
    1 Corinthians 1:30
    It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God—that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption.
    Ephesians 1:17
    I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better.
    Colossians 1:28
    We proclaim him, admonishing and teaching everyone with all wisdom, so that we may present everyone perfect in Christ.
    Colossians 3:16
    Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly as you teach and admonish one another with all wisdom, and as you sing psalms, hymns and spiritual songs with gratitude in your hearts to God.

    Satan’s purpose? …….or God’s purpose in Christ? Your choice.
    Dream? Delusion? Fantasy? …….or Christ?

  46. Ruitje says:

    @carolyn, I think you quoted not Romans 11:11, but 2 Thessalonians 2:11 ;)

    The stories get so big. They have to come up with new things, new revelation, big words to keep their followers attracted. It is really Disneyland, coming up with new attractions, new movies, new games.

    Jeremiah 6:16
    “This is what the LORD says:
    “Stand at the crossroads and look;
    ask for the ancient paths,
    ask where the good way is, and walk in it,
    and you will find rest for your souls.
    But you said, ‘We will not walk in it.’ ”

    The NAR-people don’t want the old way, the way of Christ, the way showed in the Bible. No, they are like spoiled childeren, always wanting something new to get a new thrill… It is so sad. When do they grow up?

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