Reports of Benny Hinn and Paula White Affair (Pictures Included)

The National Enquirer is currently reporting that Benny Hinn and Paula White are having an affair.  I know, I know, it’s the Enquirer and they’re unreliable.  There’s one catch…. they’ve got pictures of Hinn/White going into and out of a hotel in Rome holding hands.  I bought an issue when a fellow researcher called and told me about this story and I have seen the pictures.  Is it true?  I don’t know.  But, judging from the photographs, Hinn may have some explaining to do!

Sometimes The Enquirer has a nasty habit of not getting the facts straight, but pictures speak a thousand words.  I would never quote The National Enquirer as a reliable source for anything, but having seen the pictures, I came to the conclusion that, barring a really good Photoshop job, this warranted posting.  

As for now I’m going to proceed with much, MUCH, caution, considering the source.  However, looking at the photographs, I believe there is a little merit to this story… for now.  I’ll start this post as a launching point, and will follow these developments as they occur.  Should this all prove to be true, we’ll find out soon enough, won’t we?

Keep in mind that Paula White is twice-divorced, but Benny Hinn is still married to Suzanne Hinn.

To see the National Enquirer article (with pictures), please click here.

Special Note:  I bought a copy of the issue, and will scan it Monday so there will be a more clear and readable copy of it.

Edited for accuracy and clarity.

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387 Responses to Reports of Benny Hinn and Paula White Affair (Pictures Included)

  1. Riles says:

    They are also the one that broke the news of Al Gore and his sexual foibles, a revelation that seems to be proving true. People associated with that movement seem to be afflicted with sexual sin; i.e. Ted Haggard, Bob Jones, Paul Cain and Todd Bentley to name a few.

  2. Chrystal says:

    Good point, Riles.

  3. John W Sharp says:

    Benny Hinn has a hard core of followers. 90% of them will believe his explaination and continue to support him. Seeing him minister to thousands and thousands of natives in foriegn nations, removes him from day to day criticisms.

  4. If this is true and their holding hands in the photo certainly did not seem casual, this is completely a shocker, but not one that will rock my world.

  5. David T says:

    The National Enquirer also broke the story about John Edwards and his playing around behind his sick wife’s back.

    This is typical of false teachers. They have a desire for money, for power, and for sex.

  6. Rita says:

    Hi,

    I have been reading your blog for a while now, and this is the first time I have wanted to comment. Usually, I agree with your posts because of what I have been through, and seen, first-hand.

    But this? After taking a good long look at the photos…and knowing the reputation of the National Enquirer….I would have to ask “if” you are really serious??? And “if” you are going to use the National Enquirer as a source for information…you lose a lot of credibility in what you’re saying.

    This is a tabloid…not a credible source of information. A tabloid that overuses PhotoShop so they can make a buck…and they have been caught doing this many, many times over the years. They have had to pay out a lot of money over the years due to false information.

    I would question the credibility of any Christian who uses the National Enquirer as a source of information.

    I am not saying that Hinn is guilty or innocent. I haven’t seen any credible source of information saying he is in an affair with White. Garbage printed in the National Enquirer is just that – garbage – not Truth!

    As for the photos in question, they have the look of being photo-shopped….like many of their photos usually are.

    Blessings,
    Rita

  7. Rita says:

    I have read the post through several times before I commented, and it saddens me to see that you would acknowledge this kind of stuff from a tabloid.

    • Chrystal says:

      Yes, and I struggled with that before I posted it. But it still warrants watching. If it turns out to be untrue, I’ll be the first to say as much.

  8. Rita, – The Toronto Star (mainstream newspaper) has also reported this story which leads me to believe they have credible sources other than the Enquirer.

    http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/839668–married-toronto-preacher-benny-hinn-romantically-linked-to-healer?bn=1

    • Chrystal says:

      Thank you, Steve.

      Rita, I understand your point, and I truly did struggle with the fact that it is the National Enquirer who broke this….

      Let’s just wait and see on this. It could be a really randy Photoshop job, it may not… let’s wait and see.

  9. Silks says:

    I have found that over the years the National Enquirer has become quite accurate. Benny Hinn and Paula White preach against this kind of thing then they go to Italy thinking no one will know.
    I have ALWAYS believed that his wife was divorcing him for a good reason. Cannot wait to see the “spin control” their camps set up for this one.
    Paula White was a guest on Benny Hinn (This is Your Day) approximately a month ago. Perhaps that is when this romance started.
    Think I will go to youtube and view the show and see what I discover.

  10. mikey says:

    I understand the apprehension about the National Enquirer. But remember, they were the organization that broke the John Edwards story.

  11. mikey says:

    I understand the apprehension about the National Enquirer. But remember, they were the organization that broke the John Edwards story.

  12. Rita says:

    Crystal, I don’t mean to sound rude in previous comments. So I apologize if I did. I really do respect your blog a lot, and I understand the struggle of posting this. I’ll give the other article from the The Toronto Star a read through, and as you said…wait and see.

    Blessings to you!
    Rita

  13. mikey says:

    Sorry for the double post and I also see where someone else already pointed out the John Edwards connection. I should have read all the comments first…

  14. Christina says:

    Two scheisters…..couldn’t think of a better match!

    What a shame! But, maybe this will cause some of their followers to wake up and flee!

  15. chrisy says:

    This is no surprise to me. I am a follower of Christ BUT not a follower of these charlatans that use the Bible for money. We were warned about these types by the Apostle Paul. We are called to be cunning as a serpent but harmless as a dove. We need to be wise and have a spirit of discernment. We are NOT called to be blind being led by the blind.

    P.S.: It’s not wise to respond to my post with a scripture that’s not applicable; e.g., “don’t touch my anointed.” Let’s be wise folks. The Lord is cleaning up His Church and there are many more who will be publicly exposed. The Lord is returning for a bride without spot, blemish or wrinkle. Keep your eyes and ears opened – many more are going to be exposed.

  16. Robert L says:

    If the allegation proves true:

    1) Nothing will change. Benny Hinn fans will continue to flock to him, as will the sick, the unsaved and those who are all out of hope ; they will still come because Benny’s been purposely selected by God to heal the sick. The whole thing will get swept under the carpet in no time.
    2) Benny Hinn will skyrocket in popularity. The whole thing will just prove he’s human like everyone else.
    3) More divorce. Benny Hinn is the role model, if he can justify it and get away with it, maybe I can too.
    4) The reporter who got the ‘shot’ will be 1/2 million dollars richer.
    5) Christians everywhere will have to bear the shame and the term ‘bunch of hypocrites’ will apply fit all the Bible thumpers.
    6) Lots of backslapping and high-5ing in hell. Big victory for Lucifer. Everybody gets a day off.

  17. Bud Press says:

    I have read Chrystal’s introduction, and I agree with her presentation. For the record, I am the one who contacted Chrystal and provided the information. When asked about running it, I said “go for it.”

    Therefore, if Chrystal’s ship of reputation happens to sink, I will be side-by-side with her treading water.

    Researchers are known to gather quotes and stories from a variety of sources, such as the heretical fish-wrap Charisma magazine, heretical and cultic materials, and liberal newspapers across the country.

    Nevertheless, IF the article and photos are proven to be fabricated , then the National Enquirer may be in store for a heap of legal trouble. However, IF the article and photos are legitimate, both Benny Hinn and Paula White have a lot of explaining to do.

    Trust me, there is more to come…

    Bud Press

  18. gladys l. courtney says:

    I am sick to my stomach that Benny has sunk so low. To think he has defiled the Ministry , Suzanne, his four children, and millions of people who have believed in him is almost to much. To think I was a partner to him for years and he has turned out to be just another whore-monger. (And Paula White of all ) please spare us, as I am quite sure he will be on TV crying and begging all to forgive him. As I just said “Please spare us” The Devil is waiting!!

    • Chrystal says:

      Gladys,

      As of right now, we’re following this story to see whether or not it is true. We can’t try and convict him yet… this story is developing.

  19. ian vincent says:

    If it turns out to be true that would be a good development, as then the percentage of Hinn viewers who had lingering doubts about him should have those doubts confirmed once and for all and switch off.

    http://ianvincent.wordpress.com/

  20. Step Aside
    By Robert Winkler Burke
    Of inthatdayteachings.com
    Copyright 10/7/08

    Once I watched a billionaire Christian TV preacher true,
    Explain to all that “poor and humble” just won’t do,
    I asked him, Was he not surely letting in pride?
    He looked me in the eye and said, Step aside.

    Then I watched the world’s most famous healing man,
    Reach for a Five Star glamour life as much as he can,
    I asked him, Wasn’t he taking donors for a ride?
    He looked me in the eye and said, Step aside.

    Then I saw the big family of the biggest Christian network,
    Where entertainment was the king and truth had to lurk,
    I asked them, Must in ways of the world you confide?
    They looked me in the eye and said, Step aside.

    Then I said, Woe is me, I am the Spirit of Truth defied,
    Who believes in me truly? Who’ll stand by my side?
    The remnant, God’s seers, whom to self have died,
    Looked me in the eye and said, We abide.

    Then I saw the great remnant rising up to stoically restore,
    Me, the Spirit of Truth, back in God’s people once more,
    I asked them, Against darkness how turn you the tide?
    They looked Me in the eye and said, We abide.

    Now, the answer to most problems is more maturity,
    And with My Spirit of Truth lives calm surety,
    Will you buy the easy Christian way cried?
    Will you, like them, tell Me, Step aside?

    For on that great day when the last saints go marching in,
    And We decide just who is without and who is within,
    We will echo back to whom on earth to Me replied,
    Step aside, step aside, step aside!

  21. Of course I would hope that this is not true but if it isn’t then I would not be shocked.

  22. Brother K says:

    …sorry all, but I find this terribly amusing and my schadenfreude towards the ‘flocks’ of Hinn & White couldn’t be greater. On this blog and many others there has been no shortage of posts decrying these two heretics and asking for them and their followers to repent. Such posts are always followed immediately in comments by a “touch not mine anointed” defense or a “judge not…” dodge coupled with a counter-accusation of faithlessness on part of the blog and it’s readers from the aggrieved Pastor’s sheeple. While I don’t want to necessarily say, “I told you so…”

    Compassion for the TBN crowd as they get plunked with another scandal? Again, sorry. Fresh. Out.

  23. Beck says:

    Wait a minute here……..Suzanne left HIM, filed for divorce, refused to reconcile……..and he’s dating a woman who is not married? And the problem IS?

  24. Annunk says:

    Interesting parallel to scripture here.

    Not many should become teachers, my brothers, knowing that we will receive a stricter judgement, for we all stumble in many ways.

    If ANYone does not stumble in what he SAYS, he is a mature man who is also able to control his WHOLE BODY.
    James 3:1-2

    I saw that earlier this week and Paul Cain – IHOP, and Bob Jones – also IHOP, came to mind. Both ousted for sexual sins. Prior to that, however, they couldn’t bridle their tongues, much like Benny Hinn. They were all teaching heresy and doing it quite well. ALL of them teachers – ALL of them to receive a stricter judgement. What? Is it ego? Selfishness? Lust? What leads them to think they’ll get away with it? Never get caught? Are above and beyond the ‘common man’..?

    Well Benny and Paula won’t lose any sleep over this (no pun intended). It only hurt Todd Bentley very, very briefly. Unlike Jimmy Swaggart, who lost 98% of his regular faithful followers, America, 25 years later, is basically unable to be shocked. This will blow over in no time.

  25. Barry Boyd says:

    Gladys,I dont know if this story is true or not but u made a statement about millions of people beleiving in Benny Hinn,u see thats where the problem is,they beleive in a man,millions of people beleive in Benny Hinn and follow him and not the Saviour of the world Jesus Christ,they beleive his every word and not the word of the Lord.U want 2 know how I know,I will tell u,If the people who follow Benny Hinn truely knew the word of the Lord and had discernment they would know that he is a false prophet and teaches false doctrine and they would flee from him but since they dont know the word of the Lord and have no discernment they follow the man.Its simple,God said it my people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.So there it is in a nut shell.

  26. Mike Larsen says:

    The Bible says that our sin will find us out. Perhaps it’s time that the Lord will use the N.E. to help bring to light Benny’s sin. That being said, I think the types of people who follow the charlatan will simply be on the front lines making excuses for him and continue to send him money. I think Robert L. hit it right on the head.

    In His service,

    Mike

  27. Right on, Brother K.! “Touch-not-God’s-A-What’s?” To wit:

    We’re Fully Invested
    By Robert Winkler Burke
    Of inthatdayteachings.com
    Copyright 10/7/08

    We’re fully invested,
    In the lie of the day,
    We’re fully invested,
    It will turn out okay.

    Billions of dollars invested,
    In broadcast facilities,
    To tell the world hurting,
    God is a God of ease.

    Got a problem?
    Send us a buck,
    We guarantee you,
    God’s good luck!

    Got more problems?
    Send bucks a’plenty,
    We guarantee you,
    Heaven’s full bounty.

    It’s like stealing candy,
    From a little baby,
    Works perfect… if we are,
    Not infantile crazy.

    Trouble is that time over time,
    That’s what time says,
    We implode, blow up, crash,
    Our greed out of days.

    So all that’s left,
    For our preaching empire,
    Is to admit the truth,
    Our rock has been mire.

    We don’t believe that,
    God really has had enough,
    Of our selfish shenanigans or,
    He can choose to be tough.

    We’re fully invested,
    In the lie of the day,
    We’re fully invested,
    It will turn out okay.

    So send us more money,
    And make the same bet,
    We’re upping the ante,
    Lest God should forget.

  28. Barry Boyd says:

    What leads them to think they can get away with it?The same thing that caused satan 2 think he could get away with it,PRIDE.Its in all of us and is slippery and hard 2 nail down.Remember pride goeth before a fall.We are all infected with pride and the only thing that kills it is the cross.

  29. Barry Boyd says:

    oops wrong post sorry

  30. Teresa says:

    Beck, your comment does not even deserve a response, but here goes. First if your comment is serious, then you are ignorant of the Word of God. Second, some of the problem is this (1) He is supposdely a minister of the gospel. (2) Pastor’s, evanglist, what have you, are to be the husband of one wife. The only cause for divorce is adultry. (3) the only way for him to even be able to remarry is death or if she cheated (4) She filled for divorce but he moved out of the house. There is lots of problems with this just to name a few.
    My first reponse when I received the email was, no way! this is a joke right. He will lie his way out of this just as he has lied about everything else he guilty of. Repentance is not in his vocabulary or heart, sorry truth. He is not only deceived himself but will continue on deceiving others as well. In Deut 13 God used false prophets to test. God Bless

  31. Chrystal says:

    Keep in mind, we’re following this story. Nothing is proven as of yet…I’m still in “wait and see” mode. If the National Enquirer fabricated this, it will all flush out eventually and there will be more than a few heads rolling.

  32. Les says:

    These tabloids actually hire ‘serious’ journalists who write serious articles. I know a free lance journalist who covers scientific and medical news and often attends relevant conferences for work. One year he met a journalist from the National Enquirer at a cardiology meeting. The ‘serious’ journalists were apparently giving the NE guy some grief and he was forced to explain that the NE actually prints truthful, accurate articles. The problem is they sensationalize the results and use headlines like “miracle cure”, “instant weight loss” or “secret cancer cure” instead of more realistic titles such as “modest improvement”, “contributes to weight loss” and “20% of patients using this herb experienced remission”. Really, it’s no coincidence the National Enquirer is covering Hinn. Is it? They’re peas in a pod.

  33. b says:

    Pastor Benny Responds to False and Misleading News Reports
    To my precious partner,

    As you may be aware, the National Enquirer recently released a dishonest and misleading article which falsely characterized my friendship with Paula White. The publication, which is known for its bias against religious figures, misleads readers regarding the ministerial friendship I have had with Paula White for over 20 years.

    As you know, my wife, Suzanne, filed for divorce at the beginning of this year. If it were not for the comfort of the precious Holy Spirit and the Word of God to give me encouragement throughout this process, I cannot imagine how I could have survived the past five months. Throughout this season, your love and prayers have helped strengthen me to continue ministering around the world. Were it not for your faithfulness and the presence of my wonderful Lord Jesus, the loneliness of carrying this burden by myself would have been unbearable.

    In late May of this year, Paula White came to tape a This Is Your Day broadcast with me. Although I had not seen her for years, she was an encouragement to me and shared helpful advice out of her own painful experience. As a result, I will not deny that the friendship has strengthened, and, while it has remained morally pure at all times, I have enjoyed the company of someone who has also gone through the trauma of a painful and public divorce.

    But most of you know me personally and know that I have faithfully preached the Gospel for over 35 years. I have never failed my marriage vows and would never dishonor the precious name of Jesus, whom I adore with all my being…and I never will! As I have often said, I would rather die than bring dishonor to His name.

    And so I am writing to tell you today that I forcefully, categorically, and absolutely renounce the lies that have been spread about me and want to set the record straight with you. There is nothing inappropriate or morally improper about my friendship with Paula White.

    There has been no immorality whatsoever!

    The article also indicated that on a recent trip to Italy we met secretly and stayed together. This could not be further from the truth and is absolutely false! The truth is that we traveled independently to the region for respective ministry duties. I was invited by Vatican officials to visit the Vatican to discuss future ministry opportunities there. Paula was likewise invited to have meetings in the region, and, although we spent time together, we were never alone and were in the constant company of staff and family members.

    That notwithstanding, I have become increasingly aware that the optics of this friendship have caused others to draw conclusions that are incomplete and unfounded. And because of my preeminent priority to my ministry and calling, Paula and I have concluded that we should avoid the appearance that our friendship is biblically impure or violates Scripture in any way. Paula and I also recognize that being seen in such settings is unwise, and we have independently determined that we will have no further social relationship until such time as my divorce has concluded and only if we feel direction from the Lord to do so.

    I am using this season to seek the Lord and His Word as my Counselor and Guide as my family and I recover from the pain and disappointment of the loss of my marriage of over 30 years. My commitment to preaching the Gospel, as I have done for over 35 years, has only intensified through this experience; and the precious Lord Jesus I adore is the true love of my life and my unfailing companion for all eternity.

    Thank you for your prayers, your love, and all your support for me and my family. You are precious to me and I will not fail you; but most of all I will never fail the wonderful Lord Jesus who is life and breath to me.

    Benny Hinn

    • Chrystal says:

      Yes, I find his statement pretty interesting.

      Especially this part of the statement: “And because of my preeminent priority to my ministry and calling, Paula and I have concluded that we should avoid the appearance that our friendship is biblically impure or violates Scripture in any way. Paula and I also recognize that being seen in such settings is unwise, and we have independently determined that we will have no further social relationship until such time as my divorce has concluded and only if we feel direction from the Lord to do so.”

      I’m glad you posted that.

  34. Paul says:

    Its true that the national enquirer is not known for getting their facts straight but hold on a minute before you go too far! The washington Post, the NY Times and all other papers told your nation that Sadam Husein had weapons of mass destruction and your American nation bought it hook line and sinker, started a bloody war that has killed over a million arabs and helped destroy Christian witness in the middle east for possibly a generation. My point is this, all news media outlets lie when its convenient. They are all manipulated by some puppet master or another. The Enquirer is no better or worse than the spin we munch on every single day. If you want only truth stick to scripture. Aside from that you are in a minefield of half truths, damned lies and stastics.

  35. Teresa says:

    Quote Benny says “As I have not seen her for years” well let see Jan 2-8 2010 at Morris Cerrule world conference

    He is not telling the truth again or maybe his years are 6 months

  36. Teresa says:

    opps correction quote Benny “Although I had not see her in years” sorry Chrystal.

  37. David says:

    Benny Hinn stated: “I was invited by Vatican officials to visit the Vatican to discuss future ministry opportunities there.”

    Well, that statement in itself proves his a false prophet and a servant of evil. The Vatican are willing to help him expand his “ministry”. This man is beginning to look like and fit the decription of the False Prophet in the Book of Revelation. Of course, we’re not in the Tribulation as other false teachers would have people believe. I’m just pointing out the parallels between the discription of the false Prophet in the Book of Revelation and Benny Hinn. If he was truly of The Lord, he would have just one word to those Vatican officials – REPENT!

  38. Ok, it’s not infantile to walk around Rome, marriage ring off, hand on divorcee Paula White’s, in front of five-star hotel, presumably paid by widow’s mite donations. No prob, Benny! What you say, goes! Touch not God’s A-What’s, right? Nice work, if you can get it! I presume Dove One, $36 million jet, was properly used on the trip! How many widow’s mite donations did it take to fill the wing tanks? Five-star’s ahoy!!!

  39. Bene D says:

    Chrystal:

    The National Enquirer is what it is and I commend Rita for pointing that out.
    It’s stating the obvious but that’s quite okay.
    They use whatever they have to to sell their paper.
    Truth can hide in the worst garbage.
    If we read Monday Hinn has slapped the company with a lawsuit, then we wait til the next edition, rumour has it he’ll be on the cover.:^)

    So, do we all just pretend this isn’t on the newsstands?
    No.
    Hinn has his statement out. His pr firm isn’t ignoring this, denying the pics, or obviously some concerns around the pics.

    Hang in there Chrystal, work your sources and be gracious to those who shoot the messenger.

    Did you see this? Phil Cooke (an industry insider I have a lot of respect for)

    “Prediction: Two controversial TV evangelists are about to get engaged. Trust me – you won’t believe who….

    Friday, July 16, 2010 5:28:37 PM via Tweetie for Mac”

    Hmmm.
    Blog on!

  40. Daniel Chew says:

    Chrystal:

    “Do you see a man who is hasty in his words? There is more hope for a fool than for him.” (Prov. 29:20)
    “Know this, my beloved brothers: let every person be quick to hear, slow to speak, slow to anger” (Jas. 1:19)

    I think wisdom dictates that we report something only when we are certain of it. We should be slow to speak and slow to judge until the evidence is in, not jump at any tabloid news no matter how plausible it may seem to be. I register my disagreement with the reporting of such news. We are not, or rather we should not be, the Christian equivalent to secular tabloids.

  41. jude newman says:

    I don’t understand why anyone would be suprised. BH sank to the lowest depths when he decided to use the name of God to become rich plus all the people he has lied to. Most of his followers will still follow him no matter what. They don’t love Jesus Christ, they love BH

  42. Ruitje says:

    It is clear that false preachers like Benny and Paula know eachother. They teach the same lies. So I am not surprised about this if it’s true.

    And one correction Chrystal: a picture speaks a thousand words… but it still can not be true. The can do a lot with Photoshop (I worked with it as a photographer and designer).

    I will look to the pictures later. But even if the pictures are not right: where there is smoke, there is a fire (a Dutch saying, may be an Englisch saying too).

  43. WatEenZooitje says:

    This is a very akward situation. Personally, I wouldn’t bring any of these topics in public unless it was confirmed by multiple sources. The thing is that we, as Bible-based Christians, can lower ourselves to the level of gossiping and that is a sad thing to do. But anyway, the biggest concern is, (whether the Hinn-White case is true or not) that the attitude of the followers of these ultracharismaniacs will not change. The posting of Robert L. will unfortunately be true. Look how they spindoctored Todd Bentley’s sin. He is now in ministery again. No time of repentance, healing, self criticism. Afterall it was a mistake (not sin according to TB) and under Rick Joyner’s supervision, this mistake have been solved and restored. However they have forgotten their impact because christians now have a ‘legitimate’ reason to divorce or commit adultery because an anointed person (don’t touch my anointed) as Todd Bentley did it also. And he got away with it. The future will tell if this story is true or not. But one thing is for sure. The ultracharismatic world and atmosphere will not give you what they promise. Otherwise, I would not be on this earth anymore but flying to an other part of the galaxy. Because did Kenneth Copeland not stated that we are little gods? Or I would be extremely rich and this world would not know any poverty again. Because if the message is real, the content and its result (prosperity, healing, favor etc.) of it will be the same in the USA, Europe, Africa, Asia etc. So, the common man of Malawi or Indonesia would also drive a big car now right.

  44. Carolyn says:

    With regards to what Benny Hinn said about the report about him and Paula. He didn’t deny it, he just put his own personal spin on it.
    It has been said by many wise men, that we need to WATCH what someone DOES more than what they SAY.
    Benny is a skilful communicator. He sounds so innocent and loving. He says he loves God with all his heart. He soothes his followers with his sweet, sensitive speeches and his emotional appeals of innocence in the face of “attacks” and his docile, denials of involvement in any discrediting behaviour. He would never….do such a thing!
    But let’s remember what Benny Hinn does…his actions speak louder than his words. He teaches false doctrine. He lives luxuriously at the expense of his partners, he talks to the dead, he lives and breathes mysticism and he give false prophecies that do not come to pass….and these are just a few of his actions that are blatent contradictions to what he is saying. What God does he love with all his heart?…certainly not the God of the Bible!
    Again…watch what he does…not what he says.

  45. Ruitje says:

    @b, thanks for posting the letter from Hinn. It gives more interesting information… It makes clear that there is something not right.

    If he was a real pastor he would not talk with another woman who is divorced about his problems. He should talk to another pastor or two pastors to avoid gossip. And if the picture is right and he walked hand in hand with Paula, than that is very stupid to do as a man who is in ministry.

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  47. This from the Twitter site of Phil Cooke, broadcast consultant to the TBN Family:

    (See http://www.philcooke.com and the Twitter reference on that home page.)

    “Prediction: Two controversial TV evangelists are about to get engaged. Trust me – you won’t believe who….
    2:28 PM Jul 16th via Tweetie for Mac”

  48. The Ten-Trillionaire Televangelist
    By Robert Winkler Burke
    Of inthatdayteachings.com
    Copyright 4/26/2009

    One day a televangelist appeared on the scene,
    He was handsome, charismatic, lean, not mean.
    He said, Hello World! Give me your tithes!
    He broadcast a wild show, it was quite a ride.
    To one hundred-forty nations his show was sent,
    From one hundred-forty nations came tithes’ ten percent.
    At that time the world’s income was one hundred trillion,
    And, by golly, he received ten-thousand billion!
    Ten-thousand billion was his wonderful income,
    Which was ten trillion, give or take a million.
    As he had more cash than any known government,
    Ambassadors from the US and China were sent.
    Please help us, oh televangelist, they asked of him,
    Would you buy us an aircraft carrier, or moon landing?
    Our nations are broke, said ambassadors of the world,
    Build us a freeway, or school, or tractor for field!
    All the world’s excess cash has gone to you,
    What, oh great man of God, with it will you do?
    The world was quiet that day, waiting to hear,
    What the richest man of God would say sincere.
    But he said, Sorry to inform you, oh ambassadors,
    I spent it all on myself, and perfume for my whores.
    Did you think I’m not subject to the maxim,
    Power corrupts: It did with my tithe taxing!
    Don’t blame me for wasting all the world’s wealth,
    To stop waste, oh world, keep your money yourself!
    But honestly and quite frankly, since the world is so cotton-picking gullible,
    I’ve decided to now become the world’s first quadrillion evangelist lovable!

  49. IWTT says:

    Paula White statement:

    I publicly profess and forcefully renounce assertions that the recent trip to Italy to meet with Vatican officials suggests that the friendship is in any way improper or morally impure .We traveled independently to the region for respective ministry duties and, while there, spent time together along with others. We were never alone and were in the constant company of staff and other associates.

    Benny Hinn Statement:
    The truth is that we traveled independently to the region for respective ministry duties. I was invited by Vatican officials to visit the Vatican to discuss future ministry opportunities there. Paula was likewise invited to have meetings in the region, and, although we spent time together, we were never alone and were in the constant company of staff and family members.

    Did they collaborate on their letters?

  50. IWTT says:

    Paula White: renounce assertions that the recent trip to Italy to meet with Vatican officials suggests the friendship is in any way improper or morally impure .
    Benny Hinn: As a result, I will not deny that the friendship has strengthened, and, while it has remained morally pure at all times,

    In other words, they haven’t had sexual relations yet?

  51. Teresa says:

    They both also said exact words “Although I had not seen him in years ” and “Although I had not seen her in years” I will post this again just in case someone missed this!

  52. Ruitje says:

    @IWTT, you are right: a very good collaboration and may be a anointed PR-advisor… Or they asked Rick Joyner how to handle this. He had a lot of experience as a the ‘lawyer’ of liars ;-) (Todd Bentley, Paul Cain).

  53. Ruitje says:

    Found the video’s of ‘This is your day’ with Paula White on Youtube.

    Part 1

    Part 2

    Part 3

  54. Ruitje says:

    In the first video is presented as a bible teacher and bible students should take pen and paper to write down what she is sharing. Paula is excited about the Word…

    Well I hope she is going to read it again and will see the false doctrine of prosperity she has been teaching all those years and what God has to say about divorce.

  55. IWTT says:

    As you said Chrystal, “Sometimes The Enquirer has a nasty habit of not getting the facts straight, but pictures speak a thousand words. I would never quote The National Enquirer as a reliable source for anything, but having seen the pictures, I came to the conclusion that, barring a really good Photoshop job, this warranted posting.

    Let us wait and see. It seems that if this is true, God will let it come out in the open. We have, (as a group who have “been there, done that”), been praying that God would reveal the truth about these”evangelist” who teach from the MSoG, Dominion, Latter Rain Camp. I find it very interesting that many of these leaders keep getting caught in some sexual sin, whether it be homoseuality or affairs. It is sad that there is so much blemish in the church today, but God will claen that all up in His due time.

    Let us pray that out of all of this junk, many eyes will be opened to the trth of Gods word, repent and turn from it all.

  56. Ruitje says:

    Video 2: White is teaching pure dominion theology… the same as Wagner, Joyner, Jacobs and charismatics preachers. (halfway the video). Even the ‘birthing something’ theory comes around the corner.

    Ministries and false teachings that seemed not to be connected are now coming together: manifest sons, later rain, prophetic movement, extreme charismatics, prosperity, word faith… and new age and the Secret….

  57. Ruitje says:

    Video 3: Benny asks Paula where she has this incredible teachings from… She says from God, from revelation and experience. But I listened to her (the was a real trial!) but she just puts all the false teachings together from Word Faith, Dominion, seven mountains, little gods and more. She throws the words out on her listeners without time for them to think and uses methods (hands, snapping fingers, response).

  58. Teresa says:

    It apprears Paula is broad in her teachings. Ruitje, you are correct, she does appear to be hooked up with the Dominionism/kindgom now — New Apostolic Reformation!!!
    Here she is with non other that Chuck Pierce

  59. Ruitje says:

    @Teresa, that video’s says it all. And Paula is also into ‘the glory’.

    So her story that God showed her all this and that she got revelation is a lie.

  60. Ruitje says:

    Chuck Pierce is into mysticism. Chrystal had an article on that here on her website.

    There you see the mix in this false teachings with the occult and gnostiscism. It’s strange fire. But that is another topic.

  61. Ruitje says:

    When I see al this happen, and the articles here on the website and other discerning sites it reminds me of something I think God showed me two years ago. I saw that all these false ministries that seemed to have no connection, are going to connect. It made me think of a web from a spider. The line at the edge of the web are far from eachother, but when te spider makes the web he goes to the centre and there the lines come together.

    It is shocking to see it happen these days… Time is running out.

  62. Teresa says:

    The Lord brought me out this junk 2 1/2 years ago WOF and NAR. God grace and mercy for opening our eyes and hearts, amen!!! It will all merge some day, except his true followers!!!!! What I find so ironic is that actually is has been 3 years now since my friend and I began to research. The ironic thing is the reason we began to research is becuase of Paula White and Juanita Bynam divorces. It has come full circle!!!!!

  63. Ms Pammie says:

    God is shaking all things up and revealing hypocrisy and deception in these times. The blind will continue to lead the blind and both will fall into a ditch. Those who know the Truth will stay close to the Truth. Those who prefer tickling will continue to be tickled. How sad to see people fall, but, the higher they lift themselves the harder they fall. Be careful not to be among them.
    God is judge.

  64. Rev's Kate & Rich M. says:

    Seventy comments– so far, in less than one day. I don’t think I’ve seen this many responses, to my recollection, this fast on this blog site since I jumped on board this January! Any stats? Possibly a record high? :) K

  65. Teresa says:

    Yes, Ms. Pammie. I have always said to the bigger the ministry, the bigger the following, the bigger the fall, and the more satan gets in the end, which is the great falling way for the faith, and the great apostacy. “Many verses the few” my heart is grieved because many will continue to follow this man reguardless of what he does or says. You said it their ears are being tickled. and the blind is leading the blind right into the ditch and his words and teachings are falling on death ears.

  66. Teresa says:

    I already knew that Benny Hinn was Latter Rain and Manifest sons of God teaching. Well, I just found a vidoe with Benny Hinn and Bill Hamon (Christian International) I have been to one of bill Hamon conferences , He is crazy and dangerous. I went to a woman pastors church who was under Bill Hamon and it was a crazy place. Thank God he brought me out of the mess.

    http://vodpod.com/watch/4051148-benny-hinn-in-waco-texas-part-1-of-9-teaching-on-authority

  67. daughterofzion says:

    Ruitje, thanks for the clip of Paula White…If anyone needs evidence that something might be going on–look at those shoes she’s wearing while preaching…I’m sorry but did she buy these shoes from a supermodel or a video dancer? It’s just inappropriate–I mean you’re presenting the word of a Holy God–for goodness sake

  68. IWTT says:

    Platform shoes…. gets here above the poduim so that she can see everybody! Otherwise her chin would be on it and the cameras would not be able to show her face….

  69. Carolyn says:

    OMG! That’s Oh my goodness! for us Christians. :-)
    Teresa, I just watched that video with Paula and Chuck. Are we supposed to take these people seriously???? I hope not!
    Chuckle…
    They take themselves seriously…I think, but at least we don’t have to!
    Boy, am I glad I am not taken in by these swelling words of fanciful suggestions anymore. Thank God! He set me free. I’m going to enjoy every minute of my freedom from these charletans!
    love you all! God keep you in his love and sweetness!

  70. Teresa says:

    Carolyn,
    You made me laugh girl. We are smart to their enticing words, but lots of people are decieved by these jokers. They are crazy and dangerous. Talk about the Tower of Babel, babel ,babel, one can’t understand their language. Sudicing spirits and doctrines of devils.

  71. How Much Verity in Vanity Can be Found?
    By Robert Winkler Burke
    Of inthatdayteachings.com
    Copyright 10/11/08

    How much verity in vanity can be found?
    I asked this question to my Lord so sound.
    He said, Who asks this question profound?
    I said, Just me, since no one else is around.

    He said, Are you asking about what makes Me often frown?
    Are you asking of broadcast ministries making world bound?
    Are you asking what I want now corrected or shut down?
    You’ve got Me stirred up. What do you want, My son?

    Sorry, Jesus, for the trouble.
    TV broadcast seems in a bubble.
    It seems almost ungovernable.
    For every truth, vanity is double.

    Double, Hah! Roared the Lord.
    Hundred fold vanity have they scored!
    Their message makes My heaven bored,
    Their prideful vanity is an ox un-gored.

    So verity and vanity cannot be mixed?
    And broadcast ministry cannot be fixed?
    The Lord said, Son it is much bewitched,
    But I, the Lord, can un-ditch the ditched.

    How, I asked, can this be done?
    With lots of pain, said God’s Son.
    When pain over pride has won,
    The restoration will have begun.

    I asked, You’ll send pain their way?
    No, They have already got it today.
    Their wrong thoughts keep help at bay,
    We repent of wrong doxies, They’ll say.

    When, when will they let more of truth in?
    When they say, Fear and greed are both sin,
    Rapture and prosperity we chuck in the bin,
    We all repudiate our false doxies in loud din!

    Then will verity beat vanity at last,
    The corrected will in truth stand fast,
    Then I abide in truth for Father’s task,
    Thank you, son, for what you asked.

    Who will and won’t make Your abiding?
    The answer to this has everything riding!
    Son, the hopeless have inside pride hiding,
    But the humble and contrite are God siding.

  72. Charity says:

    I sat under WOF and NAR teachings for 14 until the Lord brought me out of that crap last year. I thank God for His mercy and loving kindness.

    I mentioned this Hinn and White issue to a family member today and said that she did not care because they are human. She also said that she did not care that other ministers like Creflo Dollar are being accused of being false teachers because “if it were not for people like Creflo, she wouldn’t be saved”. It really amazes me how we (I was one of them) brush false teaching under the rug because that minister “gave us goosebumps” when they preached. Regardless of how much false teaching is exposed, we defend these people. My family is steeped in WOF, and I pray for God to open their eyes.

    I don’t know if this is true, but I wouldn’t be surprised. We will see what develops as Crystal stated.

  73. Denise says:

    I have to say that The NE is no different than the rest of the media today. How many times have we seen false reports (Dan Rather anyone???), photo-shopped pictures (Reuters), and plagerism (NYT)?

    If they come out and admit to what they are doing…and get engaged, I suspect it will be announced along these lines:

    “God told us to get married, even though we knew each other but didn’t really think of each other in this way”, or “God prophetically told us through _____ (fill in the blank here with false prophet) that he was calling us to start a ministry together, the likes of which have never been seen before. Friends, this is God’s mighty hand moving. This is more than a union of two people. Friends, let me tell you, this is a union of highly anointed ministers of the gospel. These are the last days folks, and God is moving like never before. He is ushering in a new ministry We could not say no to him. Our children see God’s hand on this and are thrilled.”

    The fact that anyone believes anything these two say is utterly astonishing. They are, to borrow from a pastor, God’s judgment on American “Christianity”. People get what they want. Carolyn, I agree. I’m SO thankful God removed me from the Charismatic /TBN junk. It was truly such demonic bondage. His grace and mercy was extended to me (I was a little girl when my family got involved in it) and He has grown me so much since then. To my heart’s grief, one family member, who was for a time out of it and under biblical, solid preaching, never truly left it and now is back to watching some of these heretics. She won’t listen to my warnings. Its so grievous, but its what she truly wants. She will not be able to stand before God with any excuse of not knowing the Truth. Besides, its not like professing Christians in America are without Bibles. Its a matter of opening it up, reading it, pray for understanding, and pray for grace to obey it.

  74. Bene D says:

    The two statements are so similar I’d be hard pressed to say there wasn’t collaboration. The question is how. A shared staff member? A new pr firm?
    Self-initiative?

    That having been said, I putting the two releases side by side my first thought was the the same pr firm.

    I don’t know, I may be incorrect in that assumption, this is what I have found so far:

    White used ARL Marketing & Public Relations as late as March.

    Benny Hinn used Christian-PR Group in February.

  75. Ruitje says:

    Domionism, Word Faith, Latter Rain, Manifested Sons have the same roots as the New Age ‘theology': the Christ-consciousness. ‘The Christ’ will not bodely return, but in the mind, spirit of the people. Alice Bailey, the ‘mother’ of the New Age, already said years ago that New Age had to influence christianity so New Age would be the new world religion.

    This was written on a website about Christ Consiousness (they even use the bible):

    ‘It is our destiny to attain to the level of Christ consciousness and to be aware of the self as God’.

    ‘Speak as Christ would speak and Christ will speak through you…
    Think as Christ would think and Christ will think through you and the mind of God will become congruent with your physical vessel…Practise sweet thoughts, sweet feelings, sweet words and soon they will come naturally to you.
    Finally perform deeds that you know Christ would perform and you will manifest the Christ consiousness in your daily life.’

    “Seek ye first the kingdom of God and his righteousness and all these things shall be added unto you.”
    – The Bible –
    This means:
    Seek ye first the Consciousness of God, the consciousness of the Living Christ in you
    and the scientific application of the Universal Law to the mastery of self in time and space and all these things in the world of form shell be added unto you by the multiplicated alchemy of the Holy Ghost.’

    Sounds familiar to what Word Faith teaches, ‘little gods’.
    Scary how it fits in with those false teachings…

  76. Teresa says:

    Hey, Ruithe Great comment, very imformative. Something else to note is the WOF teachings are rooted deep from the New thought movement but dates even further back from a woman by the name of Jane Leade. Here is an excellent article on the history of this stuff. must read

    http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2009/02/09/the-nars-fairy-godmother-jane-leade-the-philadelphian-society/

    The New Age terms are in the church for sure, sad isn’t it. Della Reese from the UP CHURCH. Pastor Della Reese who has been on TBN. She is new thought movement. She quotes Billy Graham, Robert shuller and T D JAKES on her website google UP CHURCH, scary stuff. This stuff go back to gnosticism and Kabbalahism. Chuck Pierce teaching are kabbalahism. Funny because Benny Hinn was on u tube rebuking Oprah and Joel Osteen and his teaching are no different than his or hers, same root. Oprah teaching from the Secret are New Thought teachings as well. The web has been spun.

  77. IWTT says:

    Partial Quote; “….because “if it were not for people like Creflo, she wouldn’t be saved”.”

    And this is why I like the Doctrines of Grace.
    Creflo Dollar didn’t do a thing to save anyone. Our salvation is a gift from God. Faith is a gift from God. The gospel of Jesus Christ is what brought salvation to this person. God did it! The person that gives CD kudos for his/her salvation needs to give credit due to where it’s due. This again shows a lack of biblical knowledge.
    Creflo Dollar has been put on the pedestal instead of Jesus!

  78. Chris says:

    I just want to say that I hope if you are ever challenged & fall into sin of any kind that you want people to do the same to you as you are doing now!
    If you have kids take a second & ask yourself, would I treat my children with the same treatment I am Hinn & White?
    You see, even though they may have made decisions that would break our heavenly Father’s heart, they are still HIS children!
    Just like any earthly father would do for his children, our Heavenly Father would desire that these folks would recognize their failure & submit themselves to leadership for a time of deliverance, healing & ultimately restoration in their relationship with Jesus!
    Please consider your heart before the Heavenly Father as well my brother!!!

  79. terri says:

    I think he is done! Paula might be a while but the end is near for her too:( so sad..

  80. Teresa says:

    Amen Amen amen IWIT. It is Christ alone, Grace alone, faith alone, ect……
    Chris, Chris, Chris are you sure that they are God’s children. My sheep hear my voice, I know them and they follow me. They teach heresy and promote false doctrine., come on Chris. They teach another Jesus another gospel. I love what my friend Justin Peters says, you preach another Jesus or God you preach another godpel. His has a teaching called “A Call For Discernment” google it for yourself. Benny Hinn and Paula are wolves in Sheep clothing. More on this later. Research Chris.

  81. shane says:

    “they are still HIS children!”

    That is debatable.

  82. Ruitje says:

    @Teresa, I heard too about the ‘Phildelphian’-connection.

    @Chris, I see your concerns, but the question is if Hinn and White see what they are doing. And nobody is perfect, but the sad thing here is that they both are teaching a lot of unbiblical stuf and that is the biggest problem. May be it’s time for both to step out of the public ministry and deal with their problems. They mislead a lot of people. We are not to judge but we are allowed to test and discern. God is the final judge. I hope they repent in time… May be this is a wake-up-call for them.

  83. Ruitje says:

    @John, so now the real ‘false teachings’ are showing up… I was not surprised to read this story from Sweden. Thanks for the information.

    Here is an interesting book online ‘Strange Fire; the rise of gnosticism in the church’. It helped me to get a clear view on the dangers of gnosticism.

    http://www.velocity.net/~edju/gnostic1.htm

  84. Paul says:

    Chris, Mr. Hinn is no brother in Christ. The man is a wolf amongst the sheep and the sheep greviously have not the whit to perceive this. He teaches a false Jesus,( not fully human) a false Trinity, ( Benny’s has nine persons!) a false gospel, ( health and wealth) and is fleecing the deluded for their money.

    Jesus denounced such men, Peter denounced such men, John denounced such men and all of these did so under the inspration of the Holy Spirit who gave us the scripture.
    The Scripture tells the church to denounce such men too!
    Romans 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

    2 John 7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. 8Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward. 9Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. 10If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: 11For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

    Benny qualifies, read the article from the post above from John Van Dinther and you will see that Benny does not believe that Jesus had human blood running thru his veins.

    Benny is no brother in Christ.

  85. Denise says:

    Chris,

    Public teachers/pastors are hardly on the same level as a child. Its unbelievable you would even compare the two.

    Hinn and White profess to be mature Christians, via their positions of being “anointed” teachers and heads of international ministries for decades.

    Public teachers are to be publicaly rebuked (1Tim. 5:19-20); there is no call for two witnesses because there are millions.

    They have been addressed multitudes of times over the last 15 + years and they refuse to submit to the Word and to the Lord Jesus Christ who is working through Christians to warn them.

    Scripture says that such are to be treated publicly, and if one is found to be a heretic, they are to be denounced, and the sheep are to be warned to avoid them. Compassion is not warrented against false prophets, false teachers, heretics. You should see how God’s anger burns against such who dare come in HIS name and lead the sheep into all kinds of error!

    Why would you treat so lightly such demonic and damnable doctrine of Hinn? This is an offense to God! Hinn says Jesus had to be born again in Hell; he has proclaimed that each person in the Trinity has a trinity. He and White preach Word of Faith blasphemies….and you want to treat them as children…and Christians? Before you start rebuking us, Chris, you need to stop being so ignorant and defend that which either you know little about, or care little about.

    Gal 1:9 As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.

    2Jo 1:10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, 11 for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works.

    Joh 7:24 Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.”

    Is. 8 20 To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, they have no light of dawn.

    Start to study Scripture and stop being so ignorant.

    1Jo 4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.

    What Hinn and White need is actually SALVATION, not restoration. Restoration assumes they are Christian; in fact they are not. Therefore, they are unqualified as leaders (besides,women are prohibited by God to be pastors/elders).

  86. Carlos says:

    I don’t about this…I don’t think anyone should say anything about Benny Hinn’s and Paula White because we to as humans make mistakes. I think this photo could be fake…think about it cut and paste…Benny Hinn’s and Paula White whould both be devorced by now so why can’t they see each other?

    • Chrystal says:

      Carlos,

      Both Hinn and White admit they were together in Rome.

      As to why they can’t see each other… they can’t because Scripture forbids it. Benny Hinn is a married man and Paula White is twice-divorced. (Matthew 5:32)

  87. Scott M says:

    Unfortunately, even if this proves to be true many of Hinn’s followers (usually charismatics and Pentecostals) are so blinded by they’ll continue to support him. Just recently I had a conversation with long time friends who I thought were mature Christians who believe that Hinn is a genuine “Man of God”, despite the mountain of evidence that says he’s nothing more than a huckster and false prophet.

  88. Mike L. says:

    Ruitje said: If he was a real pastor he would not talk with another woman who is divorced about his problems. He should talk to another pastor or two pastors to avoid gossip.

    Amen to that!!! He should NOT be talking to a woman, a single woman no less, concerning his marital issues. It’s the same reason that a pastor should not counsel a woman one-one-one. You nailed it there, Ruitje. He is way out of line talking over his problems with a woman. He should be seeking MALE counsel for a number of reasons.

    In His service,

    Mike

  89. Fred says:

    Benny Hinn’s statement says, quote ” was invited by Vatican officials to visit the Vatican to discuss future ministry opportunities there. Paula was likewise invited to have meetings in the region,”

    But Pastor Paula White was on VACATION from July 10, 201- to July 17, 2010 according to Shirley Kofee the MC of Without Walls International Church on Grady Avenue, Tampa, Florida, Pastor Paula’s OWN church.

    Shirley and her husband Bill announce in BOTH the 9a. and 11am services that Pastor Paula was on VACATION and would NOT be in the church from July 11, 2010 to July 18, 2010.

    The ENTIRE congregation AND the internet watchers heard this clearly.

    So WHO is lying? Was Paula on vacation as her OWN church staff announced to her loyal congregation that she fleeces, or are Benny Hinn and Paula White lying about her trip to Italy being for MEETINGS with the Vatican?

  90. Robin says:

    Chrystal,

    Please forgive me if I misunderstand what you are saying. To best of my understanding, the Enquirer is copyrighted material, and it is not allowable to re-publish online without permission from the copyright owner.

    May I suggest it is best to let your readers know of the article, and let them purchase the mag if they feel necessary.

    That protects you from any charges of copyright infringement.

    Sincerely,

    Robin

  91. MargieinOz says:

    Chris, these people were able to trick me because I was biblically illiterate, my fault, not theirs. PW came to Australia many years ago and told swelling stories of angels and incredible miracles, bounced all over the stage and had people falling all over the place. I found out much later they just weren’t true!! Liars, deceivers and promoters of false doctrines, both of them, aside of the current situation., I have 5 adult children and if I discovered any of them lied and deceived me in this way they would certainly hear from me, in no uncertain terms, that they were way out of line. I love them deeply but I would reprimand them severely and expect to see the appropriate response, apologies and corrections in their lives, for their sakes and for all others they affect.
    Don’t give me that crap about a loving father as He is the one who will say to them “Go away, I NEVER KNEW YOU!!!” – unless they repent. Yes, He loves them and forgiveness is available but that’s up to them. He loved Ananias and Saphira too. David Pawson has an excellent teaching “The True God and the True Gospel” about our misconceptions of God’s love.

  92. Luisa says:

    In my opinion, the National Inquire is 99% accurate. And photos don’t lie. Benny and Paula need to tell the truth. They are hiding something. And why did Susan, his wife ,leave him? She wouldn’t leave him just because she doesn’t like him any more. Come on, she left him for a “reason”. But what is that reason? Only God knows. Everything that is hidden now, will be exposed soon. God gives us a lot of rope but the day of reckoning is coming and the truth will be known by all. God will not be mocked.

  93. Teresa says:

    In Matt 7 it tells us that we shall know them by their fruit. I believe that part of that fruit is what comes out of their mouth. Now, we all know that Benny Hinn is not only a false teacher, prophet but the teaching that he has thought about Jesus Christ dying a spiritual death, that Jesus took on the nature of Satan on the cross and that Jesus had to go to hell and be reborn, so we could be reborn. That there are nine in the Godhead, which is tritheism. Google Rod Parsley church July 4 2010 if you want to hear some tritheism. Anyway, Paula does not even believe that Jesus is the only begotten son, among her other false teachings. Here is that link.

    According to the bible, they do not belong to God. By their fruit, I do not know them, by their fruit they speak perverse lies, by their fruit the preach damnable heresies, by their fruit they preach another gospel and another Jesus. My sheep hear my voice, I know them and they follow me. Those that belong to the LORD do not follow and listen to strangers. John 10
    The bible is very clear for us to stay away from those kinds of false teachers.
    God bless

  94. Charity says:

    Wow, thanks for that link Teresa. I wish I had seen that earlier when I was berated on facebook by some ‘lady apostles’ for mentioning that the story could possibly be true and that Benny and Paula were false teachers. I was told not to judge them for any possible adultery or false teachings but the pray only. Ridiculousness!!! My major mistake was not deleting these false apostles months ago.

  95. Silks says:

    I just read where Benny Hinn is asking for $2,000,000 on his website.
    Very clever indeed!
    The amount of contributions that come in now will let him know how the National Enquirer story has affected his following.
    I did quite a bit of research on him today, and am throughly convinced that he is a FRAUD.

  96. Erin says:

    “Paula and I also recognize that being seen in such settings is unwise, and we have independently determined that we will have no further social relationship until such time as my divorce has concluded and only if we feel direction from the Lord to do so.” –Benny Hinn

    The Lord would NEVER direct them to be together when his divorce is concluded!

    Jesus said: “Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery and the man who marries a woman divorced from her husband commits adultery.”

    We do not understand this today…

    Step 1: Divorce Your Spouse
    Step 2: Remarry Another Person
    Step 3: Commit Adultery

    http://www.cadz.net/mdr.html

  97. Teresa says:

    Charity, you are welcome. I have been told that myself, don’t judge. We would be in big trouble if we can not. Righteous judgement within the Word of God. The part I have a hard time with is “IN LOVE” cause I don’t like em!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I get so angry at these jokers. God bless

  98. Teresa says:

    Charity, The one I posted was just a taste of heresy. Here is a clip of the full teaching that Larry Huck and Paula White did, so you can get an idea if the full heresy of what these people teach. You know what is sad I actually bought this 7 places Jesus shed his blood and got rid of it thank God.
    Here is that link

  99. Denise says:

    Anyone notice Hinn’s glasses? And people go to him for healing? Where is his faith? Oh right. Its all a fraud.

    Erin, none of this is of God, for these two people are false teachers, you know?

    What’s interesting too is that Hinn IS CONFIRMING that his heart is with White. This is Scripture refers to as adultery in one’s heart. Just more rotten fruit from a false prophet.

  100. cowbelle says:

    Yes Erin you are right, He shouldn’t even be seen in the company of another woman especially Paula White who has been divorced 2 times. True Christian Leaders should be above reproach, should be blameless as is stated in the Word. His divorce isn’t final yet. She shouldn’t even be allowed behind a pulpit. I am for redemption and forgiveness, and restoration. The Lord forgave me of much. But if these people think they can sin and do anything and not repent or be accountabile for their actions that is narcissistic behavior and very dangerous. The Lord calls us to repent and forsake our sins. The Word also says he that covers his sins shall not prosper, but he that confesses his sin and forsake them shall find mercy. This started a long time ago with leaders allowing this word of faith teaching to happen and not calling these leaders to accountability. Why didn’t someone reach mr. hinn when he was young and teachable? Another thing, mr. hinn stated that his wife is divorcing him not because either one of them sinned sexually. So if this is true, then neither one of them should remarry at all, because there was no sexual sin involved. I just pray that for their sakes the truth will come out so that they will not be allowed to hide sin. Better they come to terms with this now in this world. How we long for true preachers of the gospel preach the truth of Gods word. The Cross of Christ should be the focus and the Resurrection never should money be the focus. It grieves my heart that so many have been taken advantage of to further their opulant lifestyles instead of helping the poor, and those who are struggling in this life. Justin Peters has been to many Hinn crusades, he has cerebral palsy. He testifys of things he saw going on. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgDHuHhX43U&feature=related
    I have found in my own life, when I have said something wrong and I owned up to it, even apologised to my children they readily forgive. It is imparative to have integrity, truth and rightiousness. Perhaps many of these leaders now are afraid to come clean for fear of going to prison. But shutting their ministry down, and living right would be a good start. Lets continue to pray.

  101. Carolyn says:

    Wow…good comments. I see a good cross section by some researchers, some quotes from Scriptpure, some “been there, done that” commenters, comic relief, compassion for some of our loved ones who are still “hooked” on heresy and those who are perplexed and bewildered by the sheer fact that people could fall for this nonsense.
    Why does God not strike these false prophets dead, on the spot as he did to Annanias and Saphira? It could be for one of two reasons. He is giving them space to repent as he said in Revelation 2:
    21I have given her time to repent of her immorality, but she is unwilling. 22So I will cast her on a bed of suffering, and I will make those who commit adultery with her suffer intensely, unless they repent of her ways. 23I will strike her children dead. Then all the churches will know that I am he who searches hearts and minds, and I will repay each of you according to your deeds. 24Now I say to the rest of you in Thyatira, to you who do not hold to her teaching and have not learned Satan’s so-called deep secrets (I will not impose any other burden on you): 25Only hold on to what you have until I come.
    and/or it is God’s judgement because the people want what they want. Anything but God’s truth. It has been said many a time…if you don’t believe God, you’ll believe anything. And that’s how we got here, folks!
    Isaiah 30
    9 These are rebellious people, deceitful children,
    children unwilling to listen to the LORD’s instruction.
    10 They say to the seers,
    “See no more visions!”
    and to the prophets,
    “Give us no more visions of what is right!
    Tell us pleasant things,
    prophesy illusions.
    11 Leave this way,
    get off this path,
    and stop confronting us
    with the Holy One of Israel!”
    12 Therefore, this is what the Holy One of Israel says:
    “Because you have rejected this message,
    relied on oppression
    and depended on deceit,
    13 this sin will become for you
    like a high wall, cracked and bulging,
    that collapses suddenly, in an instant.
    14 It will break in pieces like pottery,
    shattered so mercilessly
    that among its pieces not a fragment will be found
    for taking coals from a hearth
    or scooping water out of a cistern.”
    15 This is what the Sovereign LORD, the Holy One of Israel, says:
    “In repentance and rest is your salvation,
    in quietness and trust is your strength,
    but you would have none of it.
    For those of you defending Benny Hinn. The above Scriptures are how God deals with
    false prophets and those who follow them.
    Hebrews 10:30-31 (King James Version)
    30For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
    31It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God
    It is a fearful thing to fall into God’s judgement. Do your research. Read the Word. Stop following these “blind guides” or you will both fall in the ditch! God’s compassion is for those who accept his grace IN TRUTH, not in falsehood!

  102. Silks says:

    JUST SAW THIS & FELT TO SHARE

    HOT OFF THE PRESS BY Christopher Gregory
    Very interesting incident last night on Daystar. Marcus Lamb responded and revealed their own “investigation” into the matter (Benny and Paula) and made it clear changes might be taking place and that… is clear wording meaning programming relating to Hinn and White on their network. Lamb stated that he has been meeting with their board and they will make the right decision regarding this matter. If there was no flame to this story, Lamb would not be making such a open statement about this at all and would just look the other way, but it tells me they know something and they are looking at the matter closely

  103. Beth says:

    I read their response to the national enquirer article -where they were denying any funny business going on.It stated they both bumped into each other in Rome because they were doing business at the VATICAN! Hello this is a huge red flag (doing business with the VATICAN) not to mention their fornication and adultery! They are a big part of the One World Religion which is forming as we speak.All religions are coming under the Vatican umbrella (purpose driven etc.) Getting people ready for the soon coming Anti-Christ and the Beast system. People get ready and get out of Babylon -Jesus is coming soon!

  104. Teresa says:

    I had received an email saying that people were saying that the photos were altered by the NE. They were saying that Paula White was much taller than Benny Hinn. Watch this video and even with high heel shoe’s on she is “not” taller than Benny Hinn, they are side by side, March 2008, check it out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YyLSarpHbM

  105. J:X says:

    Proverbs 22:14……..

  106. gwn says:

    please don’t judge anyone… if you don’t want to be judged. we are all have great weakness, i don’t say guilty or not guilty, more than that. we are POEPLE that have weakness. so if you know other poeple weakness please don’t judge them, pray for them please… I think will be better because we will not make object shame, also not make other poeple shock.
    this is just my opinion i don’t for opinion other poeple.

  107. David says:

    I wanted to post what the Apostle Paul wrote to Tmothy about regarding the qualities of being a bishop, however, the Lord led me to these scriptures, and basicailly I believe this sums up the whole “affair”, literally:

    “This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof; from such turn away. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts. Ever learning, but never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth; men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs was also” I Timothy 3: 1-9 KJV

    I believe the Lord when he pointed out this part of verse 9 …”for their folly shall be mainifest unto all men…” which is what we are seeing regarding both these false prophets. To learn who the Apostle Paul was warning Timothy about, check this article and reference, and take note of the similarities:

    http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=151&letter=J

  108. Teresa says:

    gwn, These two right here have been fleecing the flock for years. We must within biblical guide lines judge righteously by what they are doing and saying “We shall know them by their fruits” if we do not we are fools. Jesus in Matt. 24 2 Perter, John, Jude, warn us of false prophets. Don’t walks the way of Balaam, errors of balaam, Doctrine of Balaam. I would give scripture references, but do not have time right now. The bible says to beware of false prophets, take heed that no man deceive you, mark them, flee from them, have no fellowship with them, try the spirits, which Benny and Paula do not do. God’s word is very clear on this subject. We are to just not by appreance by their fruits. We are to rebuke them sharply. When they do and say these thing in public, then I believe we are to rebuke them in public. They are false teacher because of their fruit. No corrupt tree can bear good fruit. Read Matt 7 and if you want scritpure references let me know and I will supply them later. Research and read your bible and pray .

  109. Teresa says:

    Scripture references. GOD’S WORD IS OUR ONLY PLUMLINE FOR TRUTH
    (1) 2 Tim 4:2-3 Scriptures encourage us to reprove and rebuke false teachers.
    (2) 2 Perer 2:1 Peter warned us that false teacher would arise.
    (3) 2 Peter 2:2 The bible warns us that “Many” will follow false teacher
    (4) 2 Peter 2:3 Flase teachers will explot people with stories they have made up.
    (5) Acts 20: 28-30 Are false teachers present within the church today. YES
    (6) 2 Peter 1:20-21 False teacher interpertation comes from man. YES
    (7) 2 Peter 2:1 False teachers bring swift distruction upon themselves
    (8) Matt. 7:15 False teachers are always ready apparent. No they are not
    (9) 2 Peter 2:10 False teachers are preumptuous and self will
    (10) Is. 30: 9-10 People will not want to hear the false teachers. False Even so called believers will listen to them.
    (11) Romans 16:18 False teachers use flattering words that deceive heats
    (12) Romans 16:17 Scriptures warn us to stay away from false teacers. Mark them, avoid them
    (13) Matt 24:11 Few or many will be deveived by false teacher. MANY
    (14) Titus 1:10-11 False teacher love money
    (15) 1 Tim 6:5 False teacher believe that gain is godliness. Listen to Paula and Larry on the video. They believe that if you are poor, your cursed
    (16) Titus 1:16 False teachers profess to be believers
    (17) Deut. 13:1-2 False teacher do preform miracles
    (18) Rev. 21:8 the bible speaks of a place fo false teacher. HELL
    (19) 2 Tim 2:15 Those who study the Word of God should be able to “recognize” false teachers and false doctrines.
    (20) Gal. 1:9 Teacher’s who “fail” to teach Jesus death, burial, and resurrection “according” to the scriptures are false teachers. Research what Benny Hinn teaches about Jesus death on the cross, not biblical.
    (21) 1 John 4:1 according to scriptures we are to try, test the spirits to make sure they are of God.
    (22) Romans 10:10 Believing scriptures in your mind is the way to be saved. NO
    (23) 1 John 1:10 True born again christians never sin.. FALSE
    (24) Matt.15:13-14 Doctrines that are man made and not planted by the Heavenly Fahter will be rooted up.
    (25) Rev 22:18-19 What will happen to those who add to or take away from the Word of God.

    (26) John 7:24 Judge not according to appearence but JUDGE righteous judgement.
    There are many more scriptures, this is a good start.

  110. Scott Bell says:

    Dear Sir, I was Benny’s right hand man when he first started in the middle 80’s in Orlando. The man is not what he appears to be. Not judging because I had moral failure in my own life, but none of this suprises me. Heard someone say many things can trap a man of God; Sex, Power, Money. He has been trapped by two of them for years Power and Money – it is not a shock the 3rd one may have caught up with him.

  111. Grammyof2 says:

    www2.tbo.com/…/paula-white-benny-hinn-deny-national-enquirer-repo/

    The article above says that both deny an affair. But beyond whether or not they are having an affair there is a message at the bottom of the article. They met in Rome to meet with Vatican officials. Interesting….more children returning to the Mother Harlot. These two and way more are nothing more than “Wolves in Sheeps Clothing” but there are those that do not know the Word of God that will continue to listen to the manure that is being poured into the mouths of the simple minded that are looking for a miracle rather than listening to the Great Shepherd.

  112. cowbelle says:

    Teresa, I watched part of that video, yes you are right, she is not taller than him. but can I ask a question, could the moderators of this blog, explain this “video and more that he and many others have done” They are saying this is the annointing, you see kids crying, people doing gyrations on the floor, this doesn’t seem right nor does it look like what our Lord would do to people. I used to be in a UPC church but thank God where i was they didn’t writhe on the floor, it was mainly dancing and there was some jerking and movements. I was just getting into the tbn, and benny hinn in the early 90s when a nurse friend of mine told me not to watch him. She said that he did hypnotism techniques, and it wasn’t of God, she told me that she had been part of hypnotism before she got saved. I believed her, she gave me a serious warning about this. I quit watching him, and the others. I am so glad I did. But I tell you I have to still be careful in watching this stuff, because this spirit or whatever it is is powerful. I had a dream about false Christs a couple of years ago when the bentley thing came out. I am so glad for this dream, I am so glad that Jesus helps us see his truth and to stay away from this stuff. I am really concerned that mr.hinn and mrs.white will get married and join forces and this will be a great deception. I would appreciate comments and your thoughts on this video. Also if there are any teachings or helps on discerning what the true spirit of God does verses this stuff on the hinn crusades. Thanks so much

  113. Teresa says:

    Cowbelle, I do know, research Kundalini Yoga. Chrystal will direct you to that information or if I am allowed to, she will let me know. I don’t want to over step her, thanks.

  114. Mrs Hutchinson says:

    This is a shame. I remember the Jimmy Swagged fiasco. I left this movement 7 years ago.

    Cowbell it is hypnotism. It is tricks from the devil. These people are deceptive. I will watch on youtube some of the camp meeting and cringe. I use to think this was God.
    It is a feeling that the people keep going back for. It is becomes a addiction. I have friends that are still involved in this miss. It will be interesting to see what they will have to say about Binny and Paula. On second thought, I could care less about the excuses.

    Many people are following the man not God. This is going to rock their world. The sad thing is they will view this against God.

  115. Chrystal says:

    cowbelle,

    I grew up in this kind of doctrine, and much of what I saw was emotionalism. When a person is on a “religious” and charismatic high, their emotions take over and causes them to act irrationally.

    Another part of their behavior is definitely Kundalini, but all of it is demonic. Please refer to this link for an explanation of what I’m talking about.

    http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/laugh1.htm

    It won’t cover everything, but it will give you a good explanation.

  116. Carolyn says:

    Scott, you said as Benny’s right hand man you saw that this man was not what he appeared to be. So true of all deceivers. They must keep up appearances. It was the same with the false religious leaders of Jesus day. This is how he described them and to me, it sounds very much like the ones we are seeing today.

    I capitalized what impressed me from this passage

    Matthew 23
    5″EVERYTHING THEY DO IS DONE FOR MEN TO SEE: They make their phylacteries[a] wide and the tassels on their garments long; 6they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues; 7they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them ‘Rabbi.’
    8″But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have only one Master and you are all brothers. 9And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. 10Nor are you to be called ‘teacher,’ for you have one Teacher, the Christ.[b] 11The greatest among you will be your servant. 12FOR WHOEER EXALTS HIMSELF WILL BE HUMBLED, AND WHOEVER HUMBLES HIMSELF WILL BE EXALTED.
    13″Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.[c]
    15″Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! YOU TRAVEL OVER LAND AND SEA TO WIN A SINGLE CONVERT, AND WHEN HE BECOMES ONE, YOU MAKE HIM TWICE AS MUCH THE SON OF HELL AS YOU ARE.
    16″Woe to you, blind guides! You say, ‘If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gold of the temple, he is bound by his oath.’ 17You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred? 18You also say, ‘If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gift on it, he is bound by his oath.’ 19You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred? 20Therefore, he who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it. 21And he who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it. 22And he who swears by heaven swears by God’s throne and by the one who sits on it.
    23″Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cummin. BUT YOU HAVE NEGLECTED THE MORE IMPORTANT MATTERS OF THE LAW–JUSTICE, MERCY AND FAITHFULNESS. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. 24You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.
    25″Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! YOU CLEAN THE OUTSIDE OF THE CUP AND DISH, BUT INSIDE THEY ARE FULL OF GREED AND SELF-INDULGENCE. 26Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.
    27″Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men’s bones and everything unclean. 28In the same way, ON THE OUTSIDE YOU APPEAR TO PEOPLE AS RIGHTEOUS BUT ON THE INSIDE YOU ARE FULL OF HYPOCRISY AND WICKEDNESS.

    I’d say that not much has changed with false prophets from Jesus day. Their teachings are still slanted to the advantage of the false prophet for his/her profit, the clothing is still flashy to impress, they love to be exalted and they neglect the matters of the heart while they emphasize the matters of the flesh. They love attention and they travel the world in search of converts to their heresies.

    Notice that Christ did not speak gently to them…he called them exactly what they were…hypocrits, fools, blind guides and whitewashed tombs and later in the chapter, snakes and brood of vipers…and he exposed their teachings for what they were…greedy pleas for self indulgent lifestyles.

    And here is his judgement. Israel would not see him again until he returned to set up his kingdom.

    37″O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing. 38Look, your house is left to you desolate. 39For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.

    I pray for the peace of Jerusalem.
    Come quickly Lord Jesus!

  117. Mrs Hutchinson says:

    Scott Bell I have a question… After being with Binny for years did you have to de-program? After I left the “movement” I was so screwed up. It all started by me questioning what was being taught in the church. It was not the bible. It was twisted and controlling. I have de-programed, but it is a on going thing.

  118. Kyung says:

    Always God is first….
    If we are the first + become = selfishness + became = sin

  119. Teresa says:

    Cowbelle,
    This is from “Let us Reason Ministries” False Kundalini Revial and you will recognize a lot of faces in this vidoe. Pray before you watch this vidoe because it is disturbing but necessary for you, you will understand as you watch. Let us reason has done a wonderful because you can see for yourself and compare manifestations from the Charistamic movement and that of the Kundalini Yoga and how it is not from God. I will be transparent here and writing with tears that I did partake “of some” not all of this junk. As Chrystal said; it is domonic. Here is that link http://vodpod.com/watch/801531-false-revival
    This is why 1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God, because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

    The best quote I ever read it from my favorite preacher Charles Spurgeon. His quote is; Discernment is simply not deciding the difference between right and wrong, rather deciding the difference between right and almost right. Not everything these people teach is wrong, sometimes they do get it right, but more they are way off or take it way out of context.
    This movement accepts everything, and anything. My question to Benny Hinn, Paula White, Todd Bentley and many more. When God said or these stange manifestations take place that can never be found in the NT, did they ever for once consider testing that spirit to make sure it was from God, because I will say, no they never did, never have and never will unless GOD ALMIGHTY OPENS THEIR EYES AND HEARTS TO HIS TRUTH AND THE WRONG THEY ARE IN just like he did for us. May God Grace and mercy prevail for those who are seeking for truth. Amen!!!

    My old choir from West Virginia, I now live in Wisconsin. Anyway, my old choir travels with Morris Cerullo, they still do. My five years in the choir we went to Anaheim Califoringa. I have seen Benny Hinn at those conferences twice. When he comes out I kid you not, the people go into a hypnotic state and are mesmerized by this man. I was horrified myself. He was picking people out of the choir praying over them, and I prayed God please do not let him touch me, pick me or look at me. Study the WOF movement and where it came from. The New Thought movement and a man by the name of Phineas Parkhurst Quimby. Quimby was a hyponotist and a mermerist and a faith healer. This is where Oprah, teachings, Della Reese and WOF teaching come from, same spirit. I believe this is enough for now. Research my friend by be careful not to go to deep into research. Let the Holy Spirti lead you and pray for protection while doing so. God bless

  120. Carolyn says:

    Mrs. Hutchinson – I’ve been away from Charismania for 10 years. And before that I had many many questions over the years about all the strange teachings.
    But there came the breaking point of complete separation for me. Since I was raised in Pentecostal/charismatic circles, it has taken a very long time for me to de-program. I think the hardest thing to let go of was mysticism because even though I saw the twisting of scripture was wrong, I still didn’t see anything wrong with dreams and visions.
    It took reading The Beautiful Side of Evil by Johanna Michaelson and another book by a former New Ager, Randall Baer to start me realizing we had to test more. I found out that there were people who followed a different Jesus. They talked about Jesus, they talked about his soon coming, etc. But it was a different Jesus. That was a totally new concept for me, and I can still remember my stunned amazement as it dawned on me. I guess that was my first inkling that there were wolves in sheep’s clothing roaming free among us, (that and an up close encounter with a NAR she-wolf).
    For myself, I had to get away from the whole practice of dreams and visions and mystical experiences because I had used them (or they had used me) for guidance. I had to consciously deny them any attention, so that my guidance could be only from the Word and the Spirit. Gradually, they didn’t come anymore.
    Now ten years down the road, I am a much different person with a much more stable faith. Still learning, but walking free from wolf territory.
    I know you asked Scott, hope he replies, but thought I would say something as well.
    God Bless!

  121. cowbelle says:

    I appreciate these testimonies very much thank you. It makes me to know we are not alone in our struggles and tears. Bless you all.

  122. Teresa says:

    Mrs. Hutchinson, I ditto on Carolyn’s comment. Also, I will add keep studying the Word of truth and pray for the Holy spirit to teach you. The essentials for salvation, the doctrines of Jesus Christ and the true Gopel was where the LORD took me first. God Bless you sweetheart.

  123. David says:

    Firstly, the scripture in may last reply was from II Timothy 3: 1-9! Oops, but it was about 3am local time when I posted it.

    Cowbell, I used to be a minister in the UPC back in the 80’s when Nathaniel Urshan, George Glass, Helen Cole and all the “Old timers” were still alive. I’ll never forget Nathaniel Urshal preaching against what you now see in all these churches. He used the term “crazy-matics” to describe the Charismatic movement, and included the “serpent Pentecostals” among them. He preached at a service where he described the exact same “manifestations” as in that video. A person as supposedly “filled with the Spirit” and began shaking and writhing all over the floor. Nathaniel Urshan went over and rebuked the evil spirit and named it, casting it out. That evil spirit you see in all these Charismatic “churches” has a name! It’s known as the counterfeit of the Holy Spirit!

    Of course, I was derided and “disfellowshipped” for daring to preach that the only difference between the ” Saints” (the people of the Lord) and the sinners was the Grace of our Lord and Saviour Jesus. You never forget that we are saved by Grace though Faith, and that it is His righteousness that is imparted to us though the Holy Spirit. That was also after another “spirit” had moved into the organization, and they became a true cult, which is what they UPC and the WPF both are – cults! Both orgainzations also meet the definition of cults as well, but that’s another topic.

    The point I would like to make, is that I never saw any such activity such as “slaying in the spirit” or all the uncontrollable laughter etc. Over the years, Pentecostals have been deceived and convinced that these are all manifestations of the Holy Spirit. They’re NOT! Neither is there scriptural evidence to support the teaching that “speaking in tongues is necessary for salvation”. The word of the Lord has been corrupted, because in the Book of Acts it is clearly stated (with my emphasis):

    “For they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God….” Acts 10:46 KJV

    The Apostle Paul also clearly explains this in I Corinthians 14: 1-25. However, nowhere in the scriptures will you find “slaying of the spirit”, or convulsions, shaking, unconrtollable laughter, and the bedlem that is in modern Penetcostal organizations and the Charismatic movement. All such manifestations are evil, as they in no way glorify God.

    Back on topic , I believe the comparison between Jannes and Jambres, the false prophets of the Pharaoh, with Benny Hinn and Paula White to be an accurate one. Whereas Jannes and Jambres were servants of the Pharaoh, Hinn and White have been revealed as servants of The Pope. Also, the official title of The Pope is “Pontificus Maximus” which is Latin for “High Priest of the Heathen”.

  124. Rene says:

    Happened upon this when doing a search – by accident or design – I am not sure.

    Was reading all the comments and it took me back to a dark time in my life. A time that even now still haunts. I was on staff at a church in Texas, where ‘biblebelt’ is a verb, were all the ‘biggies’ of tv fame came to ‘teach’ for more than a few years. I saw the marked difference in not only the way they spoke but acted as well when not on stage in view of the masses.

    As one other person wrote about being on staff and seeing things – I have to tell you and affirm that ANYONE that has been on staff in such a ‘church’ can attest to – what goes on in the back room away from the stage (cause it isn’t a pulpit) is a world that few if any in the congregation know about. A story such as this isn’t a shock.

    Some it seems from reading don’t understand why people don’t leave – and I have an answer for you. Not the total complete answer, but will give you insight into WHY people just don’t walk out. Those in the audience don’t study what is taught to them except through the perception and direction that they are told to look at it from. Most have no education or understanding of the bible except throught the perception given to them which has the ‘preacher/teacher’ in control. SUBMISSION to teachings are not a suggestion, but a must. I remember many times the scripture being touted found in 1 Chron. 16:22/Psalms 15:15 about “touch not mine annointed” (meaning those that were on stage and in control) – taken totally out of context from where it is found and the topic – Israel leaving Eqypt.

    I left. Sixteen plus years later I still have problems with attending any services, double check everything that is taught – then check it again. As to actually getting ‘active’ within any of the activities – VERY DIFFICULT.

    Telling people about things such as being suggested within the article that you mention to those that follow these people is like talking to a brick wall. They will rattle off all the catch scriptures that they have been grounded in (that were taken out of context or just plain twisted like the one I quoted above) that they are literally ‘blind’ to what you are pointing out. You have to keep chipping at it – in a very loving way – and you have to pray that God does the removal of what is keeping the other from seeing.

    You see, there are no degrees of wrong doing or one being worse than another. Sin is sin. So doesn’t matter to me if he is in sexual sin – sin because of lust of money – lust of obtaining items – fill in the blank with any lust you can think of. It is when you come to an understanding of the real grace and mercy that we have through Jesus to have access to God – not from sending/giving money to someone or a particular organization, hoping that by access with a particular ‘preacher/teacher’ we MIGHT get access to God – that we find the message that Jesus gave His life to bring, rose from the dead to sit at the right hand of His Father waiting as a bridegroom and is coming back for His church/bride.

    Submission to God brings freedom. To blindly submit to someone that claims to be a teacher/peacher without question and serious prayer – – to not do your own study is opening the door to – – a nightmare that has nothing to do with God other than Him telling you that there would indeed be false teachings that we need to be aware of and avoid.

    I see stories like the one written about here – and pray that those that lose heart with the ones that are written of don’t lose faith and hope in God. That they keep their eyes on Jesus vs. – – this sort of mess – – to follow Jesus. That is where real salvation is found.

  125. Ruitje says:

    About the spirit behind all this false movement… It is not the Holy Spirit. And when you study those people like Benny Hinn, Paula White, Todd Bentley, Patricia King and many others they all talk the same way, move the same way, use their hands the same way.

    Bentley said in a video this year from Morningstarministries-centre that the power was in het left hand… That is very strange. And then he touched people on the forehead or in the stomach. It really looks like Kundalini. He talked about a fire going through his spine. That is Kundalini, the snake that goes through your body. Just do some research and you will be shocked.

  126. Teresa says:

    Ruitje, They use this term at my old church and it give me the creeps. I also heard it come out of Todd Bentley mouth. You mentioned the fire. The term they use was “LIQUID FIRE” God was sending liquid fire from heaven and you would feel it rushing though your spine and body. Creeps me out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  127. Teresa says:

    Power of suggestion. I have watched Benny Hinn at the count of three yell fire and it going to feel it. He waves his hand and suggest and it manifests. I remeber at Morris cerrulo conference in Califorina there was a man by the name Steve Foss. He wrote a book called Carriers of the Glory. He would pray for 1 hour for God to send the fire down, praying down fire. Next thing you know is that everyone including me was feeling hot and fire. There are videos of Stacy Cambell and Jesse Bentley shaking their head, violently back and forth and hissing like snakes. I also remember reading that when Rodney Howard Browne (Holy Laughter movement) and Kenneth Hagin laughs those sybolables they use Ha Ha is something to do with the 5th charka in the Kundalini Yoga. Cowbele, today I am trying to find the best article. There is some information reguarding Christian Yoga and Kundalini Yoga on Christian Research Service from Bud Press. thanks

  128. cowbelle says:

    David and Rene thank you for opening your heart and sharing. We left the UPC in 1990, it was very oppressive, and controlling. We didn’t leave it to leave Jesus Christ or to become worldly. My husband was one of the few licensed teachers in the christian school, and he saw alot of things also and compromise. Like playing favorites with the preachers kids over the regular kids, changing test scores and more. I was in it for 18 years, they also taught not to question the leadership, put fear into people not to “touch the annointed” I still struggle with today. We do feel isolated, and have visited several churches in that time, the trust factor is a big issue with us, I hope it is okay to share this, I witnessed a crime in the church by 2 men, that sent them to prison. One for 14 years, this one had a prior conviction in another state. Since we left the UPC we have tried to be part of other denominations such as the assembly of God, baptist. but for some reason have a hard time connecting and being a part of it. We have days where we struggle and the tears come, but other times his wonderful love and presance lifts us and sustains us. He showed me the commitment he made to David of his sure mercies, that I never heard over a pulpit. Psalm 89, Isaiah 55:3 and also Acts 13:34. We pray daily for the Lord to raise up true preachers of rightiousness, those who truly care for the sheep. There are warnings to those leaders who scatter the sheep, that don’t bind up the wounds and heal them. I sewed a banner that I have hanging up on my wall, Psalm 23 The Lord is my shepherd. One thing I am learning is that He still loves us regardless what the church does or the leader does. I have had to separate that, and know he is my personal Savior, and redeemer. You know my neighbor down the street her husband going to a full gospel, she going to an assembly of God, guess now they are going to the full gospel together, it is a woman pastor, and they talk about and think benny hinn is a man of God, and they watch rod parsley and others. We just can’t be part of that and stay our distance. The Lord knows of our struggles, He is faithful and true. It is good meeting you all. God bless you

  129. Teresa says:

    Cowbelle, I found this chart a while back that is really interesting. I will let you see and be the judge of this.

    http://www.bible.ca/tongues-kundalini-shakers-charismastics.htm

  130. seeker3k says:

    Bonding with Benny.

    Benny Hinn’s defence of being in Italy with Paula was “I was invited by Vatican officials to visit the Vatican to discuss future ministry opportunities there.”

    So he is holding hands with the Pope and Paula White.

    An ungodly threesome.

    The Roman Catholic system has often been referred to as “the whore of Bablylon” for fulfilling many of the Biblical descriptions of that metaphor, mainly “spilling the blood of the saints” (all the Jesuit inquisitions over the ages).
    The Roman Catholic church opposed printing of the Bible to be available to anyone who wanted it, and was involved in killing people who attempted (eg. William Tyndale).

    Catholic priests are notorious sodomites proven by the ongoing scandals of their interfering with children throughout the world.

    Their supposed celibacy within a self imposed rule that they are not permitted to marry is not to be believed and has proven to be a recipe for sexual immorality which has been occurring on a large scale for hundreds of years.

    Catholic Popes throughout the ages are notorious for their sexual immorality.

    “Gold, girls and glory” are the vices that go as a matched set.

    Dabbling in any one leads to the other 2.

    Both Benny and the Pope sit on thrones (just look at Benny’s chair in his ministry broadcasts).

    Both Benny and the Pope wallow in glory from being the centre of attention before large crowds, while usually dressed in finery (both dress in white).

    Sexual immorality will confirm their adherence to Lucifer, and this is the direction Benny is heading, if not already.

    The Roman Catholic Vatican system is a cesspool of wicked doctrines and wicked acts.

    It represents “the God of this age” (2 Cor 4:3-4) more than it represents the God of Genesis 1:1.

    Benny is bonding with the wicked if he is having any dialog with the Vatican.

    It won’t be surprising if he is having playtime with Paula White and others who are guided by familiar spirits (demons masquerading as friendly angels).

    Benny states that he will take counsel from “God” in future about who to remarry once his wife completes the divorce proceedings.

    The only “god” that gives people counsel to remarry is “the god of this age” (2Cor 4:4), because the true God of Genesis 1:1 has already stated in the Bible (that he authored) that a divorced person is not permitted to remarry:

    Luke 16:18 “Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.”

    1 Corinthians 6:9-10 “Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.”

    “Christians” who divorce and “remarry” (adultery covenant) are fools for following a perverted interpretation of the Bible. They must be pyromaniacs for doing things that are guaranteed to lead to the eternal lake of fire. If they had feared the Lord more they wouldn’t have “remarried”.

    Leviticus 20:6 And the soul that turneth after such as have familiar spirits, and after wizards, to go a whoring after them, I will even set my face against that soul, and will cut him off from among his people.

    This scripture is a warning against having anything to do with Benny Hinn because he is a wizard who interacts with familiar spirits.

    >> Bene D 25/7/10 11:18pm “The two statements are so similar I’d be hard pressed to say there wasn’t collaboration. The question is how. A shared staff member? A new pr firm? Self-initiative?

    Possibly guided by the same lying spirit.

    Benny and Suzanne Hinn are divorcing simply because desecrating their marriage will bind them closer to the ungodly spirits they serve.
    Just like Satanists commit immoral acts to desecrate marriage and bind themselves to the devil.

    People who endorse or justify Benny Hinn’s ministry in any way are in danger from God for supporting fraud.

  131. David says:

    @ Teresa, “Liquid Fire” huh? Well it is a scriptural statement, and can be found in the Bible. It rained “liquid” fire on Sodom and Gomorrah!!
    There are plenty of other biblical references to “liquid” fire from God too! In fact, The Lord has got a whole lake full, just for people like Benny Hinn and Paula White along with all the other false prophets mentioned by Ruitje.

  132. Ruitje says:

    Here are two video’s about the false spirit (Kundalini) invading the charismatic word faith church.

    Part 1

    Part 2

  133. Ruitje says:

    Here is part 1

  134. Ruitje says:

    @Teresa, I have been to meetings where they shouted FIRE FIRE and speak about angels that were shooting Fire balls and Firetunnels.

    They say that it’s the fire from the Holy Spirit, but if they would read what John the Baptist says about Jesus and that He would baptize us with the Holy Spirit and fire, the fire is not what those charismatics say. The fire in Matthew 3 is speaking about judgement not about the nice feeling of the touch of the Spirit, drunken glory or the anointing… (See also Luke 12:49-51).

    So when they shout for the FIRE to come, they are asking for something that is not the ‘fire of the anointing’ but the fire of judgement.

  135. Carolyn says:

    To Rene and those who have commented that they can relate with where I have walked in charismania:
    This is the first time, in ten years, since leaving a church that I have interacted with a group of other Christians. I have not been able to darken the door of a church since 2000. I have just listened to lots and lots of good teaching online mostly from Discernment Ministers and what they have put on their sites.
    It is good to interact with others. I think that the Lord has brought me here for a reason. I need to learn a few more things and interacting with real Christians is like being in a giant rock tumbler. You gradually get smoother as you go along.
    Anyhow, I have no grounds to judge anyone else because I have been on such a ride my whole life, that I am as astonished as anyone that God had enough grace to bring me to this point.
    I’ll begin my story ten years ago. I have already written many things in the last couple of months or so, but I will briefly repeat my experience of upheaval.
    We were in a hypercharismatic/Mennonite church. Enter wolf who is so obviously false that anyone with an ounce of biblical discernment could have spotted him. I (my spouse went along for a time, as well a couple of other families) spoke up. Big mistake if you valued reputation, friends, family, marriage, sanity, stability or health. Well, in the end, I left it all behind. My ex went back to our friends, I went out from among them and my children survived the whole ugly ordeal. Thankfully, today, they have good solid, Christian spouses and they love me as much as ever.
    Looking back, I was so close to a nervous breakdown, that had I not left it would have taken only a small shove to push me over the edge. I was crying every day.
    Unfortunately, I found more sanity and stability and acceptance among the unsaved than I had among the churches that I was attending and ended up marrying one who was for me, a stabilizing influence in my terribly chaotic, lonely world. Everyone, banded together against me like a pack of wolves. My mother, brother and my ex were like a three stranded cord. I won’t go into details, but let’s just say, I felt a scorching wind coming from them…angry emails, letters and phone conversations. Although I wasn’t without fault, I was singled out as the black sheep of the family. Actually, I became the quiet sheep. I just quietly withdrew and left everyone to their own evil devices.
    So for the past ten years, I have been able to spend a lot of time reading and just researching online. And, although it has been a less than ideal circumstance, especially with my health issues, God has patiently kept me going with daily manna both physical and spiritual so that he could work in my heart the grace and good work that he began.
    And here I am today, as you see me. My ears are a little cockeyed, my snout is good at sniffing out error and my eye is single. I am still a little skittish when it comes to human contact because of the abuse I have suffered, but I stand, sit and walk beside my master. He is a good and kind master and I have learned to trust him…we are on the highway to heaven, together, forever…along with all of you.
    God be praised! In all the upheavals of life, he remains the same.

  136. Teresa says:

    I am thinking I was misunderstood. David, my old church is WOF and NAR. These movements are using the same terms and as New Agers, Kundalini Youga and so forth. I know the fire of God is to refine us as pure gold, like Ruitje said it is not the same. Research the Kundalini Yoga and liquid fire and you will see what I am talking about.
    At the time when my old Pastor said that it put up a red flag for me because (1) They were talking about the lakeland revival from the platform and talking about Todd Bentley. (2) I was alredy researching this stuff. I know the fire of God is scriptural, however when the church is using the same terms and these false revivals and other movement, it is cause for concern David, research liquid fire and Kundalini and see it for yourself. I do not believe the bible talks about electricity and liquid fire fuuning through uor bodies, that was my point. God Bless If I miss spoke then forgive.

  137. Teresa says:

    sorry for the typing errors.

  138. Magda says:

    If you really know God and the power of His Word, you will then know, that satan is the accuser of the breathen. The bible is very clear in saying that “if you’ve got nothing good to say, than don’t SAY IT!” I rebuke all of these negative comments, and I pray that the Holy Spirit will convict people who have nothing better to do than to gossip. This was sent to me today, I read it and I knew better than to recieve it into my spirit. Caution! Judge yourselves, lest you be judged. You will reap the same and worse for touching an anointed man and woman of God. Though they are not perfect as IS NO ONE! David said it best when he had a chance to kill Saul for pursuing David. I dare not touch God’s anointed, and if you know the scriptures, then you will know that Saul was no longer anointed but because he had been, David didn’t touch him.

    For your information, it was Randy White who declared to the church that he wanted a divorce., Paula White never did! I have friends who attended the day it was announced. It was Susan Hinn out of very selfish reason’s who wanted a divorce, not Benny Hinn, I know I have connections and thank God I am showen truth by God and confirmed by my connections but most of all the Holy Spirit of God who leads me to all truth!

    If you have eyes to see what the Spirit is showing then know that “THIS PICTURES ARE FABRICATED! YOU CAN SEE THAT BENNY HINN IS WALKING WITH HIS HANDS STRAIGHT DOWN, AND KNOWING TECHNOLOGY TODAY THRU THE INTERNET THAT CAN PUT ANYONE’S FACE ON ANOTHER BODY, WHICH ITS BEING DONE EVERYDAY, AND THEY THE “NATIONAL ENQUIRE” ARE BEING SUIT. THEN YOU CAN SEE THAT PAULA’S HAND WAS MANAGED TO ‘KIND OFF’ BE PLACED IN BENNY’S HAND. ITS OBVIOUS THAT YOU HERITIC HUNTERS WILL STOP AT NOTHING! AND WHAT DOES THE BIBLE CALL YOU? OH YEAH! YOU BUNCH OF PHARICESS “VIPERS!” YOU SEE AND HEAR WHAT YOU WANT TO, CAUSE IT PLEASES YOUR FLESH! WELL THEN STAY IN THAT FLESH! AND LETS SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN JESUS COMES BACK FOR THE TRUE CHURCH OF CHRIST!
    FOR THOSE WHO WROTE SUCH MUCH HATED COMMENTS!
    GET A GRIP PEOPLE! YOU OBVIOUSLY DON’T HAVE A LIFE AND HAVE TO LIVE OTHERS FOR THEM! NOT TO MENTION THAT YOU ARE JEOLOUS OF THIER LIVES, DESPITE THE FACT THEY HAVE BEEN THRU SO MUCH TO BE WHERE THEY ARE IN CHRIST JESUS! PAY THE PRICE AND SERVE GOD, INSTEAD OF POINTING FINGERS AT OTHERS. REMEMBER WHEN YOU POINT A FINGER AT SOMEONE, THERE’S 4 OTHER FINGERS POINTING AT YOU. GET THE FACTS RIGHT BEFORE YOU GO AROUND RUINING OTHERS LIVES!

    Paula White and Benny Hinn as many have, I am sure made some mistakes in their life, but WOW! then again WHO hasn’t. We are under Grace, and forgiven and very much loved by God! Yes we know not to abuse God’s grace but if you knew these people you would know that their hearts are in the right place with God!

    I once heard it said, MUCH ANOINTING! MUCH ATTACK’S! BUT PRAISE GOD! satan and mental midgets as yourselves wouldn’t know that for a fact satan attacks those he fears and does it thru mental midgets. The accuser’s of the Breathen! OH YES, BY THE WAY! MENTAL MIDGET MEANS “YOU HAVEN’T DEVELOPE YOUR MIND IN CHRIST, RENEWING OF THE MIND THRU THE WASHING OF THE BLOOD OF JESUS AND THE POWER OF HIS WORD.

    Best repent and get right with God! Let God be God and let him take care of matters!
    Mind your own buisness and get a Life! PREFERABLY ” A LIFE IN CHRIST!”

    I PRAY FOR THOSE WHO ARE SO QUICK TO JUDGE AND POINT FINGERS MALISIOUSLY, TO REPENT AND GET RIGHT WITH GOD!

    In Him be all be Glory!
    Forever and ever!
    Amen!

    • Chrystal says:

      Magda, you said:

      The bible is very clear in saying that “if you’ve got nothing good to say, than don’t SAY IT!”

      The Bible doesn’t say that.

      When weighing Benny Hinn and Paula White’s doctrine with Scripture, it falls short. You can call us a bunch of Pharisees and vipers if you wish, but the truth is Benny Hinn is a proven false prophet.

      As for the pictures being fabricated… well, if that’s what it takes to enable you to continue following Benny Hinn, then more power to you. You say they photoshopped Paula’s head on another woman’s body… well, did they photoshop her hands onto that body as well? Watch some YouTube videos and you’ll see what I mean.

      One thing you’re forgetting…. Benny and Paula acknowledged they were in Rome together, and did not EVER say those photos weren’t of them. Ever. Recheck their statements and read it again.

      Now, since your post is dripping with venom, none of your posts will ever be approved again. I’m going to leave your post here so others can see the depths that deception can drive a person.

  139. Ken Silva says:

    Magda,

    “The bible is very clear in saying that ‘if you’ve got nothing good to say, than don’t SAY IT!’”

    With all due respect, I offer that Jesus, the living Word, knew God’s Word better than any of us.

    And He said to false religious leaders:

    “But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!… Woe to you, blind guides,… You blind fools!…you are like whitewashed tombs,…you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness… You serpents, you brood of vipers, how are you to escape being sentenced to hell?” (Matthew 23:13, 16, 17, 27, 28, and 33)

  140. Grant says:

    Magda

    wake up snap out of it

  141. Bud Press says:

    Hi Magda:

    I have read your post carefully and prayerfully, and offer the following for your consideration.

    The subject of the difference between judging and judging falsely has been thoroughly addressed on this blog and in articles across the internet. So, I won’t address that right now.

    However, in your comments you stated that, “If you have eyes to see what the Spirit is showing then know that “THIS PICTURES ARE FABRICATED!”

    Magda, you said a lot, but you provided no proof whatsover that the pictures were fabricated or altered.

    Furthermore, both Benny Hinn and Paula White provided statements based on the National Enquirer article, where the two photos first appeared. While both Hinn and White denied many things, they said nothing about the photos, nor did they deny the authenticity of the photos.

    Therefore, if you have valid proof that the two photos have been fabricated, altered, manipulated, or otherwise changed, please let us know.

    In Christian love,
    Bud Press

  142. MargieinOz says:

    Magda, Don’t judge? Huh??? Go read your post as tho it is from someone else to you, you’ll get a shock at your venom.
    To others who have been more gracious on this site. I have found Steve Lumbley of Apostasy Watch to have excellent teaching. I drive quite a lot to visit my daughter who lives 500 ks away and have downloaded his talks onto my mp3 and enjoy hours of teaching as I drive.
    Two years ago when I heard Todd Bentley claim god told him to “kick that old lady in the face with his biker boot” I woke from a deep slumber. The journey from there over the past 2 years has been both traumatic and releasing. (like peeling an onion, closer to the center the more I have cried) Traumatic as I have lost close Christian friends of 30+ years who are being swept along by teachings and practices now permeating the church. One “friend” sent me an email simply titled “goodbye” – that hurt.
    I thought I had found safe fellowship with an ex AoG pastor who seemed to have good bible based teaching. Can you imagine my shock and disappointment to discover 50% – that’s right, 50%, of the congregation under his leadership do not believe Jesus is God!!! Some of us approached him concerned that these people were deeply involved in the running of that fellowship. It appears they have been allowed to remain there for 10 YEARS. One is highly respected (has lots of knowledge) and much influence in a housegroup. 6 of us left as the pastor was more interested in protecting the wolves than his sheep. I don’t think I will ever again attempt to join a church and now rely on my own study with the help of the Holy Spirit (as I should have been doing anyway) and accessing discernment ministries. Unfortunately Magda is a prime example of my now ex friends. I truly weep for them. I’m nobody and I don’t know why God opened my eyes and yet those more learned than I just accept whatever these heretics dish up, the more unbiblical and extreme the better. In a way I thank God for Todd Bentley as he was the tool to finally wake me up and expose all those who so readily promoted and supported him. I had never heard of Peter Wagner, the NAR, MSofG, Kansas CP, Elijah List etc or understood the subtlety of the heresies entering the church.
    The internet has been a wonderful tool for research and has led me to sites like this, so be encouraged in the journey, stand firm in the faith and close to Jesus and His Word, thanks Chrystal, bless you, Margie

  143. Carolyn says:

    Appreciate your comments, Margie and all the rest of you, Teresa, Denise, Charity, Cowbelle, Ruitje, to name a few of the more recent posts, as well as many others and those who have encouraged me, and of course Chrystal who does a fantastic job day after day reading, sorting and discerning for us.
    Today I was reading Psalm 31 and after listening to the above comments by Magda, you can understand why this would be a particularly comforting psalm for me. I don’t hate any of my accusers, but just had to get away from them. Many close friends became my most venomous enemies overnight and if God had not been my shelter, they would have destroyed me with their mind games and hateful speech.
    18 Let their lying lips be silenced,
    for with pride and contempt
    they speak arrogantly against the righteous.
    19 How great is your goodness,
    which you have stored up for those who fear you,
    which you bestow in the sight of men
    on those who take refuge in you.
    20 In the shelter of your presence you hide them
    from the intrigues of men;
    in your dwelling you keep them safe
    from accusing tongues.
    21 Praise be to the LORD,
    for he showed his wonderful love to me
    when I was in a besieged city
    I feel like I have been kept……..away from it all.
    Encourage one another daily….

  144. Rev's Kate & Rich M. says:

    Alrighty then, we are now over 154 comments– had a feeling this story would develop its own life!
    I have a superb idea, let’s get going onto more pertinent biblical issues.
    With much love–K

  145. David says:

    With all the various videos about the false prophets, I believe it’s time for something positive, and you won’t see any unclean maifistations here either:

    PS: Chrystal, seeing as you check each post, I’m not sure how to embed this video from The Nelons “I’m Glad I Know Who Jesus Is”. It’s the 3:12 version fimled live at a church service with just a piano and acoustic guitar for backing. You cane delete everything after the “PS” as well. because I believe that this video is what everyone needs to be reminded of, and it’s uplifting and positive.

  146. mikey says:

    Magda, It is hard to accept when you have been deceived. But in my case, when I finally got away from the falsities, my eyes were opened to just how subtle the deception comes. I can remember my own WOF pastor years ago explaining how if you saw him come out of a liquor store with a brown paper bag, what your eyes saw meant nothing. I guess if we saw him doing something wrong, we should just write it off as being judgmental (letting Satan control our thoughts). I guess he is infallible. There is no way he would buy a bottle of liquor. I mean after all, God chose Him to be a pastor, not the other way around. On another occasion, while teaching on church leadership/organization, he explained there can only be one head of the local church. Anything with two heads is a freak, he said. An obvious attempt to assert his authority IMHO. I see now how he worked these subtle teachings into an otherwise pretty good sermon. I honestly don’t think most of the congregation even hears what is said. I remember one guest pastor who actually read a scripture from the OT and said it was a “poor interpretation”. Can you imagine that? This guy comes along 2000 years after the fact to tell us what the scripture really means. I asked several others later if they caught that, and not one remembered hearing it.
    I hope you can see the irony in your post. I could imagine you wagging your finger in the face of everyone one here during your tirade, doing the exact thing you’re accusing them of.

  147. Teresa says:

    Thank you Carolyn, you always encourage me girlfriend and sometimes you make me laugh. Thank you for that wonderful scripture, God’s word is so comforting.
    Margieinoz, thank you for your testimony. God Bless

  148. cowbelle says:

    Jesus said you would know Christians by our Love one to another. Joh 13:35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
    Rom 12:10 Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another; there are many more scriptures like this.
    Those that go after these false teachers, then leave and hurt their fellow christian brothers and sisters? This should not be happening. My heart goes out to you who have experianced this. My main prayer in the last few years is Lord put your Love in my heart. .
    Gal 5:13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another. I need his strength and love every second, every minute, every hour. How can we be christians and not love our family our fellow christian brothers and sisters? I don’t want to be part of false teachings or teachers or any such thing. I pray for his keeping hand on us to be faithful until he comes. I appreciate the encouragement in here and your testimonies,
    they are very precious, I couldn’t have made it this far if I hadn’t know of his great Love and tender mercies. Gods motive was love, for God so loved the world that he gave, oh that they would return to the truth of the Gospel.
    Isaiah 55 (Isa 55:1) Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price.
    (Isa 55:2) Wherefore do ye spend money for that which is not bread? and your labour for that which satisfieth not? hearken diligently unto me, and eat ye that which is good, and let your soul delight itself in fatness.
    (Isa 55:3) Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David.
    It is without money and without cost. I love these scriptures. He loves us
    God bless you thanks for letting me post. It is my prayer that many will turn to Jesus Christ instead of these teachers who fleece the sheep and rob and extort them. And that those who are extorting that they will turn from this and humble themselves and repent.

  149. Rene says:

    @Carolyn

    It took me over 6 years before I ATTEMPTED walking into any church building – amost 15+ years before I somewhat attend on a regular basis with other Christians. Sounds stupid – but it was like the air was being sucked out of where I was at – sweat breaking out – heart raced at a rate that few marathon runners experience.

    What bothers me most – is that few of those that really have a position within the Christian world address the issues – issues like the Benny affair – unscriptural divorces of those that seemed to be allowed to preach/teach after an openly known sin – the host of other things that we all know about but just don’t want to ‘judge lest we be judged’ sort of approach to Christian life – which really if one does any study of the verses around that scripture will see that such is not the end result that we should have as the body of Christ.

    I totally walked away from anything close to ‘Charismatic’. Not because I don’t think that God could work in such a manner (or even possibly still does). I walked away because it has been highjacked by those that are not held accountable to anyone and seem to think that all should just accept whatever they say to explain their more than questionable actions. They even ignore being held accountable to the scriptures that they are suppose to teach and know.

  150. David says:

    @ Teresa, I totally agree with you regarding the use of the terms “liquid fire” when these false teachers refer to the Holy Spirit. The only sriptural references to such a fire from God “falling” deals with his wath on the ungodly. I believe that’s what these false teachers keep saying, and the signs they have following them most definitely are identical to those of the Indian religions. Until I read what was on this blog, I had never been exposed to the teachings of all those false prophets. I was only aware that they were wrong, but I had no idea how wrong.

    I watched both the documentary videos posted by Ruitje and was astounded. This was a planned “takeover” by our enemy. He first targeted the leaders using lying signs and wonders. It’s definitely the same spirit as Kundalini, and it’s attempting to dominate and possess the church. Of course, the Lord will always separate His people from those that are in error. Keep in mind that God has allowed this to happen that the scriptures might be fulfilled and we can see the “falling away” spoken of by the Apostle Paul in II Thessalonians 2:3 happening before our eyes.

    Our Lord and Saviour Himself gave us this warning:

    “…Take heed that no man decieve you. For many shall come in my name saying, I am Christ, and shall deceive many.” Matthew 24: 4&5 KJV.

    It’s important to note that they don’t say “I Am Jesus” , but “I am Christ” which literally means “I am annointed of God!” However, Our Lord continues regarding wars and rumours of wars, and these following scriptures have been fulfilled and are being fulfilled in the lives of with many who have shared their testominies here:

    “And many shall be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many will wax cold. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved”. Matthew 24: 10-13 KJV

  151. Ruitje says:

    @Magda, I feel sorry for you but I can understand your reaction: the truth is hard and it makes your world shake. But I pray you will have the courage to research and ask God to open your eyes so you will see the error. It is difficult but I know how it feels when people you thought were right, are not right. That shakes your world. But you can better built on Jesus Christ, not on people or ministries.

    And about telling the truth: the apostle Paul was very clear sometimes, even called names of people who were preaching another gospel for their own gain. We have to test the spirits, and have to test prophecy. God will be the final judge but we are allowed to do research and warn for error.

  152. Rene says:

    @Magda – I hope that you see this and seriously consider what I am writing.

    Considering that this whole thread was started with saying that they were not sure but went ahead and posted it as something to watch – to look upon your approach and attitude in your reply.

    As a person that was on staff at a Charismatic church for close to 10 years – met more of the ‘biggies’ in the movement face to face and spoke to them, saw them off stage in day to day life – some even now having passed away – I would suggest that vs. putting faith in your “sources” – instead sitting back and watch longer before jumping to support.

    Hinn didn’t deny that the photo was real in his comments, neither did White. That is a FACT. Read their words to verify what I have just written.

    It is also a FACT that White was supposedly suppose to be on a vacation, only changed AFTER the photo came out. Since you say that you have friends that attend that group, to verify this shouldn’t be a problem.

    So I encourage you to consider this. IF what you suggest, to totally accept and not consider the TRUTH that even the both of them not even making mention of the photo – WHY have those that they were suppose to be meeting with not come out and at least AGREE that there were in fact meetings taking place – other than between Hinn and White?

  153. Teresa says:

    David, I as alot of others have come face to face with some these jokers. Cowbelle ask me a question and I was trying to help her the best I knew how. I was not trying to miss lead or undermind scriptures. This is serious stuff and extremely dangerous especially the New Apostolic Reformation bunch. I have seen some strange stuff and “strange fire” from these people. I was in a woman church who was under Bill Hamon and we were having a womans conference. People came in and said that they saw fire and smoke coming out of the top of the church. At that time their were some strange manifestations going on inside the church. I even had Todd Bentley CD”s before anyone knew who he was. I tried researching him and could not hardly find nothing. I threw the CD away and then that revival broke out.
    I don’t know I think I might stop posting and I will continue to pray about this, I don’t know. I am starting to feel ikie again, pray for me please.

  154. Denise says:

    No mention of the pow-wow with the Vatican on Benny Hinn’s website. Not one word. Bob Larson, on the other hand, proclaims loudly his meeing at the Vatican with their expert exorcist. Could it be that no meeting took place?

  155. Teresa says:

    Chrystal,
    I just did a little investagating. In the vidoes that Ruitje posted when Paula was on Benny’s show back May he had his wedding ring on. July 4 2010 at Rod Parsley church he did not have his wedding on. So, some time from late May until July 4 he took it off. Thanks

  156. Carolyn says:

    I pray that the Lord will use this site to his glory. I think we are all on the same page with regard to our motivations for writing anything here. If we weren’t interested in serving the Lord, we wouldn’t be on here, we would be watching our favourite tv show and eating popcorn.
    It’s good to have a few testimonies from the heart, a psalm, a spiritual song and some research clips and even some right hooks. But all in all, its good to get perspective as to what others are thinking about a subject. We can all learn something if we listen.
    And for sure, we can all listen more carefully, especially to our Master’s voice. For that is what he has taught me the last few years…I used to be a very impulsive, impatient and distracted doggie. Since I have been in obedience classes, I have learned to heel when he says heel and sit when he says sit. And I have learned that I must focus on what he is saying to me in his word and not on all the distractions around me…we’ve all seen the master being led by the dog, pulled here and there by his whims and his running after other dogs, smelling a lampost, digging through some trash…well, our Master is not like that. He will not be pulled. He teaches us through discipline. If we don’t obey, we hurt ourselves and then we listen.
    For those who do not like my anecdotes, you can just move on to someone else’s more sophisticated composition. There are many great posts.
    The one thing we all agree on is that the Word of God is our guide and we will not dare to add to it or detract from it. It is completely trustworthy. It is God’s Word about himself and for himself and the more we read it, the more we obey it, the more we will understand and know the Master.

  157. Carolyn says:

    This comment by
    Rev’s Kate & Rich M. says:
    July 29, 2010 at 8:13 pm
    Alrighty then, we are now over 154 comments– had a feeling this story would develop its own life!
    I have a superb idea, let’s get going onto more pertinent biblical issues.

    You seem concerned that there have been 154 (now 164) comments on this posting. Is it because it is not a relevant topic to you?
    Also you haven’t given us anything. Just criticized us for not being more biblically pertinant. I have heard many biblically pertinant ideas. What is yours?
    I think the reason this post is going on, is because it is very relevant to a lot of people whose lives have been influenced by these two. And therefore we speak with passion.
    What’s more pertinant than that?

  158. cowbelle says:

    Teresa, you didn’t mislead or undermine anything, we need to hear the truth and discern and protect ourselves from false teachers. I don’t ever want to be controlled and manipulated again. I am still being healed from the damage done. We are greatly concerned there are no leaders that I know of that is understanding or dealing with this and making these false teachers accountable. It was the news media that has brought some of this out. There is spiritual warfare, but no teaching on how to pray and deal with it biblically. Seems the focus is on fame, fortune, power, and money. I have a question? So many have said that they are called of God to be preachers, evangelists, Pastors, do we just accept that they say they are? Where is the accountability and proving? 1Ti 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
    1Ti 3:3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
    1Ti 3:4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
    1Ti 3:5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
    1Ti 3:6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
    1Ti 3:7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
    1Ti 3:8 Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;
    1Ti 3:9 Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.
    1Ti 3:10 And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless.
    1Ti 3:11 Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things.
    1Ti 3:12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.
    1Ti 3:13 For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.
    Is this what we are seeing among these word of faith teachers? Is the apostolic reformation part of this word of faith teachings? It says above in verse 8, not greedy for filthy lucre. Doesn’t millions of dollars fall in that catagory of filthy lucre? Most of them received an F in the financial watch dog. http://www.ministrywatch.com/profile/benny-hinn-ministries.aspx
    we do pray for these leaders to repent and turn from what they are doing. God bless you all

  159. cowbelle says:

    I copy and paste my scriptures from a free program you can download it is called e-Sword, at http://www.e-sword.net/ you probably already have it, but if there is anyone who hasn’t heard of this it is a great bible helps and it is free. God bless this person who made this program free to all. I hope it is okay to let people know about this. I use it about every day to look up scriptures. It is a great blessing. Thanks so much.

  160. Rev's Kate & Rich M. says:

    Hi Carolyn! Good to hear from you. Not concerned, amused. Very relevant and pertinent topic, indeed. Not a criticism, just an observation.

    Well, I too have had many of the same experiences many of you (which equals us, I’m part of this blog, too) have had and still have. I respect all your views and feelings and believe without a doubt the subject is a big one. I too am passionate. No howevers, no buts, no nothin’–just observing.

    So, I’m still waiting for some statistics as to whether or not this particular blog is a record since I came on board in January 2010– seeing there are 164 + now.

    Don’t forget– my last line was,”With much love. K”

    • Chrystal says:

      For anyone who is curious, I won’t be publicly talking about numbers or records. That’s not important.

      What is important is the fellowship so many have here, and I’m thankful I can provide a place for that. Many of us here have been so hurt by false doctrine. There are still times that I have to back away and consult Scripture and remind myself of what the written Word of God says because Charismatic theology perverted the truth in my life. I was raised a Charismatic… some things weren’t easy to let go of and come out of. My thinking could only be ironed out by Biblical teaching and God’s Word.

      Although the roots of false doctrine get ripped up when we turn from it and embrace sola scriptura, some little fragments of false doctrine can get left behind (as in my case). Those little fragments were only exposed via the light of God’s Word, and when I found them, I dug them out and disposed of them (if that makes sense), but it isn’t always easy. Sometimes frustration sets in when you realize some of it is still left.

      It’s nice to know there are others out there who can encourage and uplift one another when it is needed. That’s very important to me.

  161. Charity says:

    Teresa, please don’t stop posting. I look forward to you and everyone else’s postings when I’m on this site. I benefit greatly from what you guys write and the research you guys do. I’ve been in church since I was 20 (I’m 35 now), but it wasn’t until last year that God opened my eyes to all the junk going on in church. Because of this, I consider myself a babe in Christ. I like and need the fellowship that this site provides. I have not been in anyone’s church since last year and this site (as well as other discernment sites) provides the fellowship I need right now.

  162. Teresa says:

    Oh, Charity God bless you my dear, just made me cry. I humble myself before the LORD and you guys. It is so good to be in the mist of people who have and are coming out of these movements. Jesus is the ROCK of our salvation, praise the LORD. Before all this took place I was blogging on another website and I was pretty much standing alone on the commenting, never gave up contending for the faith though. I was getting sliced and diced by the other bloggers who were defending Benny Hinn. Even though the LORD is on my side, it is refreshing to have others stand with me in CHRIST. Love you Charity. By the way I did leave you another comment on Chrystal ”s other blog.

  163. Carolyn says:

    Rev’s Kate and Rich M
    Glad to hear from you!
    Ha, I got a big laugh out of your last line. Yes, I did leave that out didn’t I?
    Right back at you!! much love to you!
    Carolyn

  164. Carolyn says:

    And we love you Chrystal!
    There will never be a person who has reached 100% perfection in everything they say while on this earth. We still see through a glass darkly.
    But I can say for myself that I understand what you are saying 100% because it is always a big surprise when some value I have incorporated into my thinking from way back suddenly is exposed as the Light of Truth dawns.
    We are all at different stages of growth in our Christian lives and that’s why love is key. “Our humanity is showing again”…and so it keeps us humble. Therefore, althought we have not yet attained to the whole measure of Christ….we encourage each other in the faith”
    Ephesians 4
    14Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming. 15Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ. 16From him the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament, grows and builds itself up in love, as each part does its work.
    We don’t expect perfection from you Chrystal…otherwise WE would be the hypocrits. We are lifting up His Truth, not our own.
    God Bless you for your service to the saints!

  165. From OC Weekly Blog on this matter:

    John Doe says:
    I appreciate your kind and loving spirit, Linda. You’re innocence and willingness to forgive is sweet. And, yes, I realize Benny is a man, a very flawed man, and like all of us he is human.
    What bothers me is that he puts himself up as being MORE than just like us. He claims to have special meetings, voices, signs, dreams, experiences with God that most of us don’t.
    Based on that and the way he demands a level of performance from those around him, it is only fair to judge him by those same standards. By his own standards. In that regard he fails frequently. Won’t bother me if he didn’t pretend he was higher and mightier than the rest of us. And he does this through his words and deeds. The ridiculously extravagant lifestyle.
    Yes, you are right: He has and does receive threats and his security is important and the threat is real. That’s why he travels with LOTS of security people. But he makes no secret of his whereabouts. Come on Linda, haven’t you seen the police escorts with lights and sirens blaring when he travels through town? He draws attention to himself. He doesn’t hide. You may be right, I’ve never seen the name he signs in under. I would imagine his staff does the actual signing in. But once he’s in a hotel, there’s no mistake who he is, so I’m not buying the using a fake name for security. He’s very flamboyant about his presence, has a security detail, and even goes as far as booking an entire floor sometimes, so I don’t think he’s signing in under David Soloman to avoid crowds or danger.
    But I’ll give you that one just for the sake of argument.
    This point you can not explain away, though: He and his inner circle are liars. Period. Not white lies. Not innocent lies. Full on bald face lies.
    I know LOTS of things directly from his security detail. This are guys who spend hours, days, months with him. They rarely leave his sight and the travel everywhere with him. They have stories to tell.
    They knew Sue was living apart long before anyone else. They provided security for her and the kids. They knew Benny was planning on filing divorce before Sue did it. So the act of pretending to be shocked is a total fabrication, bad acting and a blatant LIE! They knew Paula had stayed at Benny’s house before this whole Rome episode and that Benny had mention he and she were an “item” now.
    I can go on about firing people without cause, suing staff members to get them to shut up about things they knew and might say, about altering employees invoices and shorting their paychecks.
    Linda, the list goes on and on. They liar and cheat and do not act the way a Christian organization should. How can you excuse that sort of behavior? With the simple, “well, we’re all human and make mistakes” line? That doesn’t cut it. They have intimidated, threatened, presssured, and used the threat of God’s retaliation over the years to get people to tow the line, shut up and be quiet, and turn the other way when they do things that wouldn’t cut it even in the secular world, much less the CHRISTIAN world of business. It’s shameful. It’s disgusting. It’s dishonest and
    mocks Gods and His righteousness. The reason I’m speaking up is that it’s gone on too long and finally, FINALLY people are starting to not back down and finally maybe it’s time for Pastor Benny to learn humility and change his ways.
    He changes his look, his marital situation, releases the choir director he’s had for decades, gets new music and a horn section, goes from arenas to ballrooms and back to arenas…. He keeps changing everything to make it fresh and new, a “new season” (which he’s been promising for 20 years now)…he’s trying to fix what’s NOT broken, but he refuses to reflect and see that it’s himself that has the problem. Not those around him, not the Holy Spirit, but Benny needs fixing. His life is an experiment, his theology a mixture of mysticism, Catholicism, Evangelical Christianity, and a large dose of megalomania.
    At what point would you be willing to admit that maybe, JUST MAYBE Benny was at fault and he should confess or step aside and take some time out to straighten out his and his family’s life? Does he have to murder someone? Does he have to be caught robbing a bank with a gun in his hand? Does he have to physically assault someone and be caught on camera doing it? I find it amazing how people will just excuse behavior that is totally unbecoming and unacceptable in general and absolutely unacceptable for a preacher, a Christian preacher. I can only hope God is as forgiving of me as you are of Benny.
    Then I can get away with all kinds of crap. I admire your ability to emulate Christ and be so forgiving, but God ALSO expects us to be ACCOUNTABLE. And as a LEADER he has a higher standard to live up to. People’s lives are affected by his actions. People faith and salvation can be affected by his deeds. Granted, he has lead tens of thousands to the Lord (if those are all real conversions) and that’s amazing and he will get his reward in Heaven for that service. For THAT I admire him. Sadly Benny thinks he can reward himself here on earth.
    Let me finish by saying this: my understanding of the proper hierarchy that the Bible teaches is God, Family, Career. Benny chose to put his career ahead of his family a long, long time ago. His marriage and his children have suffered because of that. Benny confuses his career as a preacher with God. He sometimes or often puts his career equal or ahead of God. Witness the obsession with the private jet. CEO’s all across America somehow get by with leasing corporate jets instead of spending huge amounts of money purchasing a plane and the full time pilots that go along with that. The whole jet purchase as yet another lie he told the Partners. He made it sound like for ONLY $9 million they could buy the plane from another ministry. The truth is that was a fraction of the cost. That only bought out the lease agreement from GE finance. It was deceptive and dishonest and for months he begged and hounded people for the money. If God wanted him to have that it would’ve happened without this dishonesty.
    Benny needs to be humbled, needs to repair his relationship with Sue and needs to be a father to his kids. It’s probably too late for all of that. It’s a sad, sad example to his kids, his Partners, Christians and the world and we wonder why Hollywood and the media and non-believers think we’re idiots, hypocrites, and nuts.
    How many unsaved souls out there see this kind of behavior and other ministers who act similarly and decide they want nothing to do with our religion and a God who apparently must condone this behavior. Maybe that’s why Islam is growing: because they have the appearance of discipline. We MUST stand up for the truth and against
    corruption in the Church. God uses us to defend the faith.
    You want to call that being judgmental. That’s like the world using the word “hate” at the drop of a hat these days. “What’s with all the hate?” It’s a tactic to get people to step down and shut up. Just like accusing someone of being a racist when that usually has nothing to do with the root cause of a problem. I’m not judging Benny. Only God can do that. Only God can forgive him, I don’t have the power to forgive any man in the true sense. I can accept someone’s apology IF IT’S OFFERED, but true forgiveness comes from God. And Benny isn’t really asking for it. He’s trying to explain away his actions.
    He nor Paula have yet denied they were at the hotel together. You’d THINK that’d be the first thing they’d say.
    They just claimed there was nothing improper about their friendship. That’s lawyer talk. Right: there is nothing improper about their FRIENDSHIP. Ok, now address your RELATIONSHIP. If it’s raining outside and i say “it’s not sunny today” I haven’t told the complete truth or given you an idea of what the weather really is like. They’re playing games with words. Politicians do that. Thieves do that. Cheats do that. You want to defend Benny or defend Righteousness?

    http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/breaking-news/benny-hinn-paula-white-affair/

  166. Carolyn says:

    John Doe…well said.
    If God exposes their sin, which he has, and if they still won’t listen, as they won’t, then they are without excuse.
    (Good practical name by the way…easy to pronounce) :-)

  167. Carolyn says:

    Teresa, my dear. You are loved! Keep posting.
    You are an encourager!

  168. David says:

    While doing some research of my own, I found this website with these pages that have some amazing and imprtant information. The newest articles are the links at the top of the page and the oldest at the bottom:

    http://www.rickross.com/groups/bennyhinn.html

    http://www.rickross.com/groups/wwic.html

    http://www.rickross.com/groups/meyer.html

  169. Teresa says:

    Just wanted to share the from Justin Peters a biblical critique of the word of faith movement. part 1 -4

  170. Ruitje says:

    @Teresa, I hope also that you keep posting, you are precious. And I recognize so much in what you write. I also haven been involved with a lot of that false prophetic stuff, I also had books from Rick Joyner, cd’s from Todd Bentley and was reading and following everything on the Elijahlist, but I am so glad God opened my eyes in time ( in 2008).

    @ Chrystal: thanks for this blog. I haven’t had the energy to sit down and send you a message with more info about Aglow. I hope that I have enough energy next week. I am tired and my body doesn’t work right these days. A lot of problems with multiple sclerosis. I hope it will get a little better.

    But with the little energy I have, I want to follow your blog and the topics and write comments.

  171. John Doe’s next post:

    Jim Cernero was the music director. Benny got tired of the same old music that Benny always wanted. Then he claimed to have a dream or vision or whatever and he “saw” Jim going out on his own and having his own ministry. Read: I’m getting rid of you old friend, but don’t want to take responsibility for letting you go myself.
    Same thing happened to a photographer they used to hire. Instead of saying we no longer need your services or we don’t like how you take pictures it was: “I had a dream and your camera was in a thousand pieces..” I kid you not!
    Again, just take responsibility for your choices and actions, Benny! I wonder if the Holy Spirit has to guide him as to what cereal to eat in the morning? :-)
    We may know each other, but because everyone had to sign a non-disclosure clause in order to keep their jobs, I’m not going to risk a law suit, which the execs would file in a heartbeat, by revealing my name. However, if Senator Grassley wants to contact me I would be happy to speak with him. Jesus loves us all, but he chased the money changers out of the temple. ‘Nough said.
    Posted On: Friday, Jul. 30 2010 @ 5:39PM

    And then somebody posted this:
    Bud Press says:
    John Doe:
    I have read your comments with great interest, and would appreciate your contacting me at
    admin@christianresearchservice.com
    Sincerely in Christ,
    Bud Press, Director
    Christian Research Service

  172. Teresa says:

    I found this on the internet several weeks ago. I want to share this because Benny Hinn is clearly teaching tritheism. He teaches that there are 9 in the godhead, which is what tritheism is. That God is a triune being, Jesus is a triune being and the Holy Spirit is a triune being. Benny says there are nine of them. He has admitted to getting this teaching from the Dake’s Annointed Bible. I do not know how to do multiple links so google “DANGERS OF TRITHEISM” scroll down and there should be a teaching about the Dake bible and its errors. Then listen to this teaching at Rod Parsley church back on July 4 2010. The first part is Holy Trinity part 1-4 Angels, holy spirit and God. Listen to the stuff he says after you read the article about the Dake bible. Here is that link

    Part three is where it gets really good or false, nothing good agout it.

  173. Teresa says:

    Here is the Link to the dangers of the Dake bible and it”s false teachings. I can not spell sorry for typing errors. Here is that link

    http://dangerouscults.com/false-teachings-dake-bible.html

  174. Carolyn says:

    David, thanks for the links. There really is a mountain of evidence to inform us of the duplicity and fraud going on in these ministries. I just read “God Bless your Credit Card” when Benny Hinn was in South Africa. I believe the colour instantly drained from my face and I am still sitting in stunned shock as I try to conceive of that kind of deception and the gullibility that accompanies it.

  175. Teresa says:

    There is another blog that I had been contending on and still am somewhat, since Feb 26, since Suzanne filed for divorce. I had to stand firm on the Rock (Jesus) the whole time I was blogging cause these people were trying to eat me alive. I did have a few people that would come to my defence, which I really did not need, cause I had the Word of God. During this time I got a little beat down and tired but did have a lot of laughs. I was searching the scriptures pretty much day and night, making sure I was armed and ready to contend for the faith. I was getting sliced, diced, accused, called names, called the devil. I know the truth and they can call me what they want. My concern is this, since 2007 I spent a lot of time on the computer researching, reading my bible, praying much for God truth and trying to find out what is going on with all this deception and where is was coming from. Also, I am concerned about gossiping, and I do not ever, for 1 second want to think this is funny or to be happy that Benny and Paula might go down because a lot of people with go down with them. They both need to be exposed and stopped but in the right way. I just want to make sure my motives and intentions line of with the Bible. I am concerned that I have become so consumed and obsessed by this that I am not praying like I must do or in the Word like I must be and that I may be neglecting my 2 young children and my husband. I do not want to dishonor the LORD in anyway by what I am doing. My husband and I prayed about this yesterday. I want to bring Glory and honor to the LORD not dishonor. That was why I said that maybe I need to stop blogging. I am tired and I need refreshed by the Word of God. I love you guys and I wil keep blogging I need to have balance , that is all. Thank you all for your encouraging word and you Godly wisdom. Love you all Teresa

  176. Carolyn says:

    For those who think that we are only out for blood from these false prophets…
    Consider what David did when he was confronted by God’s prophet Nathan for his adultery and murder. He repented.
    On the other hand, Uzziah and Asa became angry and they refused to listen to rebuke. Uzziah became leprous and Asa mistreated God’s servants and developed a disease in his feet. They both refused to repent for their misconduct towards God.
    So far what we have seen today from Benny Hinn and other prophets of Baal, are excuses, rantings, ragings, cover-ups, accusations, and denials. No repentence. Still waiting….

  177. David says:

    @ Teresa, think you so much for posting that link about the Dake Bible. The Lord laid upon my heart that it was full of heresy, but being me I looked at it and thought, “It can’t be – It’s a King James Bible, and I don’t want to say it’s full of heresy”.

    However, the article you posted cleared everything up. It also makes sense of Benny Hinn saying that “The Holy Sprit has a will of his own….he didn’t have to raise Jesus from the dead if he didn’t want to”. His interpretation of the Godhead is the same as that of the Roman Catholic Church! No wonder he’s go so much in common with The Pope! I was brought up a Cattholic and we were taught at school that the Godhead was made up of three divine persons – each separate and distinct from each other, but working together as one – like a Basketball team! Hinn and The Roman Catholic Church, along with the Anglicans, Prespyterians as even the AoG, believe that when you get to heaven there will be three thones, and Godhead is like three Judges that sit on the Supreme Court. There’s only one court, but you need all three Judges.

  178. cowbelle says:

    Wow, I am so glad you guys shared this, we found Justin Peters also a few months ago and He is so precious, and what a great blessing he is. I would like to go to his seminar, or purchase it as soon as we can. We also saw the dangers of dakes bible, and got rid of it about 10 or so years ago. We are on the same page here, yet I have struggle with fears coming here. Please pray for us, I guess it is hard coming to a new blog. I think the don’t touch the lords annointed is stronger in my life than what I thought and the control they had. I want to be free from it. This is a real step of faith for me to come here and post. Thanks for your patience and understanding.

  179. Teresa says:

    In the you tube documents that Ruitje posted above when Stacy Cambell at Todd Bentley commissioning ceremony, her head was shaking from side to side, which is from the Kundalini manifestation. Watch Todd Bentley wife Jessa Bentley, same manifestation.

    http://thewordonthewordoffaithinfoblog.com/2010/07/30/todd-bentleys-2nd-wife-jessa-bentley-talks-about-speaking-with-dead-people-which-scripture-forbids/

  180. Ruitje says:

    @Teresa, very interesting!

    I googled and found more on Dake. It is clear that Kenneth Copeland and others from Word Faith are influenced by the teachings from Dake and it looks like Mormonism. Dake believed man was a miniature god… Little god’s.
    Just Google on Finis Jennings Dake Kenneth Copeland Word Faith…

    There are more strange things in the Dake-teachings, about healing (Word Faith). And he was in jail because of something that happened with a girl.

    Here is an article, under the paragraph ‘Facts About The Late Finis Dake’ you read more. http://www.ovrlnd.com/FalseDoctrine/drakesbible.html

  181. David says:

    Here’s a link to an entire page full of good sound teaching from Justin Peters:

    Also, there’s thid clip on Joyce Meyeers regarding “little gods” from the website http://www.false-teachers.com:’

    Of course, they are all, part of the WoF movement and teach the same heresies:

  182. Teresa says:

    cowbella, Listen to me. What did Paul say to the Bereans when they searched the scriptures daily to make sure what he were teaching was to be true. Paul called them noble for doing so, he encouraged them to do so. Now a true man of God would say do so. A false prophet , teacher or what have you, will call us heresy hunters, religious spirit, trouble maker, don’t touch God’s anointed. They was us to shut up and go away. They want to take their holy ghost machine gun and kill us. “Touch not mine anointed and do my prophet no harm” how many times have we heard that and “DO not judge” Their main goal is to intseal fear in us so we will shut us. They would have to cut my tongue out or sew my mouth shut and cut my hand off, cause I know a little sign language. Trust me I would find some way to talk. LOL All jokes aside. We must judge righteous judgement within the boundries of God word and for me with the right attitude, cause I have to repent alot, cause of my attitude toward these people, I forget about the in LOVE thing. Cowbelle, get the Justin Peters DVD cause he does point out about righteous judgement over and over. And when he says you preach another Jesus or God, you preach another gospel. He is a sweetheart that is for sure. I ask Justin one time how he maintains his composer, he said self control. I am still praying for that fruit, cause I do get angry with these false teachers, the key is not sinning, got to work on that. Love you guys.

  183. Franklin says:

    This people are NOT preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ, but the “gospel” off money and they get “power” from Satan over people.But if christians are realy christians, Jesus let them go away from all that kind of false dirty “teachers”and their BAD churches.satan sit in front overthere, so watch out for your soul.Go away, go out before it’s to late.We are in the last day’s, or ours…

  184. Let’s see:
    $100 x 100 blessing = $10,000
    $10,000 x 100 blessing = $1,000,000
    $1,000,000 x 100 blessing = $100,000,000
    $100,000,000 x 100 blessing = Calculator out of room!

    How I Bet a Million Dollars
    By Robert Winkler Burke
    Of inthatdayteachings.com
    3/1/09

    A devil came to me one night, and said,
    I have a proposition for you,
    Here is a million dollars tax-free in cash,
    Here’s what I’d like you to do.

    Pick your favorite prosperity preacher,
    Any one with big hair and life will do,
    Give him the million dollars in cash,
    For his sweet story you know is true.

    That preacher might promise you,
    One thousand increase!
    One thousand increase from God,
    Is a billion feast!
    Or second choice, this devil said,
    Use the million on yourself,
    Be a prosperity preacher,
    Getting tithes from sheep plebes.

    Promise others God’s thousand increase,
    Make them happy that way,
    Soon you’ll have your billion,
    More direct deposit gay.

    So pick,
    Said this devil,
    The lesser,
    Of which evil?

    Of course, you spirit, I said,
    I shan’t give one million away,
    To a preacher promising God,
    Will thousand multiply my pay.

    I choose rather to be the preacher,
    Receiving prosperity tithes,
    I’ll get my billion soon enough,
    By masses unaware of wiles.

    And praise God,
    I got my billion,
    But my sheep,
    Not good they’re feeling!

    They chose the greater of two evils,
    Me, my big life and hair do not care,
    They chose to be sheep, me sheep-eater,
    It is my money now, ce’st la guerre!

  185. realdeal says:

    I wish no harm to Benny and his ilk. I do however wish God would turn them all into the color green which would be totally appropriate. It is sickening to watch these wolves constantly dupe people out of money with lies. Folks, God doesn’t want or need your money. He does however, want you to read your Bible. The word of God. Not to let someone else tell you what is in it, but to read and discern for your soul. After all, is Benny going to be there to intercede for you when you are judged? Of course not. It will be between you and God. And trust me, He won’t tally up how much money you have given to Benny to decide you fate.

  186. IWTT says:

    Dave,

    Hinn and The Roman Catholic Church, along with the Anglicans, Prespyterians as even the AoG, believe that when you get to heaven there will be three thones, and Godhead is like three Judges that sit on the Supreme Court.

    This must be coming from AoG churches that are caught up inthe “Prophetic Movement” camp or who support Benny Hinn et.al.

    I have never heard or known an AoG pastor that believes this, at least not from old school A/G.

  187. Teresa says:

    Just wanted to share this from Benny Hinn own mouth

  188. Teresa says:

    David and Iwit.
    Read this document because it will help us understand some history of the Latter Rain movement and Manifest son of God doctrines, Joel’s Army ect….. and what they believe and teach. I email this document to Pastor BoB Dewaay (Critical Issues Commentary), who use to be in the Assemblies of God church. He said this document very accurate information and was addressed to the Doctrinal Purity Commission Board back in 2000. What Iwit said is true because the Assemblies of God churches split. I believe like 60% do not embrace this movment and 40% still does, and Sarah Palin church, Wasilla Assemblies Church in Alaska still embraces this movement. Here is the link to this document reach carefully great information

    http://www.discernment-ministries.org/CEGuiney1.htm

    One thing I really want you guys to pay attention to is when it mentions the Phineas Priesthood and so forth

  189. Bellacioccolato says:

    Regardless as to whether this story is true or not, the real tragedy here is that God has been misrepresented to the world! Sadly, those who do not know Him will always attribute this type of behavior to God although God has nothing to do with it. Consequently, for those of us who profess to be a Christians, this story/situation should cause us great sorrow because the God we love and serve has been misrepresented.

  190. Ruitje says:

    @Teresa, all the lies in a row in that video from Benny Hinn.

    I did some research on another dangerous false WOF-teacher, Andrew Wommack. He has the same teachings as Copeland and Hinn, but he looks like a normal bibleteacher, not one with his own show or glitter and glamour. But that makes him very dangerous. And now he has started a bibleschool in Holland and here they don’t know about his real false teachings. It is so sad to see the blindness of many christians. I know people that follow his dangerous teachings and they just don’t see the error.

  191. Teresa says:

    This all goes back to nothing other that pure New Thought, christian science, gnosticism and kaballah. This is a great list of people in different movements.

    http://moriel.org/MorielArchive/index.php/discernment/church-issues/false-prophets/four-current-movements-within-the-church#KingdomNow1

    Of course the list go one. Yes Andrew Wommack is dangers as well.. My friend Deb, who went through this journey with me. We call what they speak the “tower of babel” of couse I use to babel mysel.

  192. Ruitje says:

    @Zoe, thanks for the video. This is Dominion Theoligy in it’s purest form…

    @Teresa, thanks for the article.

  193. Teresa says:

    Some helpful stuff for those who are just coming out of the WOF movement.

    http://biblefacts.org/cult/clips.html

    http://so4j.com/false-teachers-prophets-teachings.php

    http://www.gospeloutreach.net/whatwordfaith.html History of WOF

    http://www.thechristianexpositor.org/page7.html

    http://www.martygriffith.com/Word_Faith.html

    http://www.christianresearchservice.com/masterlist1.htm From christian research services director Bud press

    There is a list of names I am looking for, hopefully I will find it today.

  194. David says:

    Here are a couple more links to important articles. My flatmate and good friend found these, and they will take some time to read, but are really worth it. The site belongs to a conservative Baptist minister, so in one of his links he questions Speaking in Tongues as evidence of the infilling of Holy Spirit. However, these two are a real eye-opener:

    http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Wolves/benny_hinn-fake.htm

    http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Bible/new_international_perversion.htm

  195. Carolyn says:

    Zoe…strange teachings, indeed.
    Teresa…reading through the paper by Guiney…very interesting to see it laid out in and organized, researched document.
    Always something new stands out, this time it was the way of interpretation. Interpreting things allegorically. We did that all the time…didn’t know there was any other way to interpret scriptures, ie literal interpretation, until I got away from the influence. Now, I just see how crazy, subjective and thoroughly bizaar our interpretations can become when there is no literal truth. You can cross any boundary, overflow any bank and there is no standard or measure of correct interpretation. No wonder we have this hodgepodge of error.
    When we take the Scriptures they way they were presented, about Israel being Israel or the message to the Church…there is no confusion. God says what he means and means what he says and we cannot add our own meandering interpretations.
    One example was Gerald Derstine…my mother was a devoted follower…I followed in her footsteps…he had some bizaar teachings and experiences, undetected by the allegorical interpretations allowed among his disciples. It was utter stupidity and nonsense. Goodness, gracious, me!

  196. cowbelle says:

    I went to Barnes and Noble today and accidently stumbled upon a book by the name of Dietrich Bonhoeffer. This guy was a pastor and died in the Nazi German Camp a martyer. He was hung for preaching the Gospel and helping free the Jews. You never hear these word of faith preachers, talk about people like Mr. Bonhoeffer. This man died at the age of 37 or 39. He had been in America. He could have stayed and been free, yet he chose to go back to Germany under threat of death to help free the people.

  197. Ruitje says:

    @Carolyn, what you say is what I experienced too. I was also influenced by that false way to interpret scriptue.

    You write: ‘God says what he means and means what he says and we cannot add our own meandering interpretations’. Amen!

    All the prophetic writings in the Old Testament were taken by the charismatics as if it all was about themself and the church. They use terms like ‘taking the land’ but God was speaking to Israel (what is written in the first books of the bible). In Dominion you see that.

    I heard strange things (in Aglow and other ministries).

    For example Isaiah 61 is misquoted many times. It’s about Jesus the Messiah, the anointed One. He even says it in Luk 4 when He reads Isaiah 61 and than He tells the listeners that ‘this day this word is fulfilled in your ears’. It is speaking about Christ. But the charismatics take this and say that they are the anointed and that what is written in Isaiah 61 speaks about them. They take it out of context and think that they are Christ himself. What arrogance.

    They same the do with Isaiah 60, but that is also speaking about Israel, not the church or a christian.

  198. Chrystal says:

    Al Talbott,

    I suppose they could follow their own lusts and seek pleasure, but they will have to disregard God’s Word to do so. There’s no Biblical precedence FOR it, but plenty of precedence AGAINST it. If they call themselves ministers of the Lord, then they should follow Scripture, yes?

  199. cowbelle says:

    Jesus Christ wasn’t tolerant of sin, He forgave sin. Big difference. There was no sin in his life, He told this woman go and sin no more. Jesus was the spotless Lamb, who came and died for our sins. He rose from the dead and has the keys of death and of hell. Thank God for his Love toward us that he would come and sacrifice for us. The bible says he was tempted in all things yet he was without sin. Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. These leaders should not set themselves above everyone else. In the book of acts, the apostles served others, they didn’t set themselves as someone special or better than others. Jesus came not to be served but to serve and give his life as a ransom for all. Mar 10:45 For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many. 1Ti 2:6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time. The problem is these mega preachers, are fleecing the flocks, teaching false teachings, threatening people with curses if they don’t tithe, the tithe was abolished at the cross. Grace came to all, and giving without being forced to give or threatened. 2Co 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver. These offerings that are given should be given to those who are in need. Not to pad the preachers pockets or fund their million dollar homes, jets and lavish lifestyles. Act 4:35 And laid them down at the apostles’ feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need. Anytime you see these people trying to elevate themselves above anyone else, rob people of their money to support selfish rich lifestyles run from them. I do pray for them, to turn from these false teachings and truely live for Christ. Lets continue to pray. God bless

  200. Carolyn says:

    Ruitje…yes, yes. I couldn’t agree with you more. All Scripture is twisted so that it can be related to us. Isaiah 61 is a perfect example! The whole focus is then on self and self becomes the important one…rather than God’s plan and Christ’s kingdom we become self focused, we are where all the action is…Charismatics and Dominionists do this so well! God becomes relevant and praise worthy only where he can be manipulated to serve us!!!! Such a diabolical twisting of the Truth.

  201. Sean says:

    Hello Al Talbot,

    The problem is that both Benny and Paula preach Christianity which strictly forbids adultery. “Having fun” in this way is another example of their hypocrisy. Life can be enjoyed better in more wholesome ways.

    If you want to give your money to this pair so they can continue in their “fun” at your expense, then it’s your choice. Better advice would be to support more beneficial and less hypocritical ministries.

  202. Mike A says:

    Galatians 5:9 “A little leaven leavens the whole lump.” ESV

    I am curious – did Benny Hinn and Paula White start out with “good” intentions, or has this always been the work of the flesh? What about others who have done (and will do so in the future) the same thing(s)?

  203. realdeal says:

    If any of you have watched the Benny show the last 2 days you may have noticed he is in damage control mode….in very subtle way he is twisting his words and finding the Bible verse’s that let him off the hook…oh, and of course he is twisting the Bible verse’s too!! LOL…..There will be so many that will fall for these new lie’s by Benny that it will be sickening…it’s a crying shame that his followers keep falling for this trash. Let’s pray some see thru this viper once and for all.

  204. Diana says:

    I have always felt that Benny Hinn wasn’t real. In the beginning, he had some messages that had the debth of revelation. But, he ties himself way too much to Kathryn Kuhlman. Goes to her grave and claims he has her mantel anointing. I saw him in Holland in the 90’s. He blew at people, and some of them responded. It wasn’t real. You could feel it wasn’t real. He didn’t preach anything at that large meeting. People want God, it is evident as they flock to these supposed miracle meetings. But you cannot feel an anointing. Perhaps in the beginning of his ministry…but something was lost.

    Paul White? Not sure. She has certainly made a costly and unwise mistake to walk out of a hotel holding another man’s hand. It will never sit well with those seeing the picture. Benny Hinn’s recent bid for more money is also pathetic. God is always able to provide. Sometimes at the last minute, but it is always there. It is NOT necessary to plead for money when you are a faithful and broken servant of God. Sorry to see this happen to the church again.

  205. Teresa says:

    Here are some links Word of Faith 101 maybe for someone new or some just coming out of this movement or has questions, and that is reading our postings and does not understand why we are contending for the faith and exposing these two WOF teachers.
    http://www.gospeloutreach.net/whatwordfaith.html History of the roots of WOF

    http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/word-faith.html

    http://www.gospeloutreach.net/wfquotes.html

    http://www.letusreason.org/WF48.htm

    http://www.intotruth.org/wof/tract3.html

  206. IWTT says:

    He blew at people, and some of them responded. It wasn’t real. You could feel it wasn’t real.

    Exactly, when I was kind of into this stuff I was part of the choir in 2 of his crusades. He had us all hold hands so he could do his “thang” with us. He either blew or yell fire or wave a hand and supposedly the power of the spirit or annointing would cause all to fall.

    What I found was that while some people did have a manifestation of some sort, if you are all holding hands as we were, and the middle person “goes down”, you will drag everyone else with you. It certainly wasn’t a mass “falling under the power” as many think. It was and is a scam.

  207. Carolyn says:

    All the world’s a stage…not the original meaning I know, but isn’t it fitting for today’s world? We’re all watching, some with a commitment to God’s Truth and some with a commitment to any other truth but. Just try watching the news with someone that isn’t a Christian. World of difference.

    John 18:37
”You are a king, then!” said Pilate. Jesus answered, “You are right in saying I am a king. In fact, for this reason I was born, and for this I came into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.”

    Why do men rage against God’s Truth?
    Why do people erect walls against it?
    Why are Christians singled out for abusive treatment?

    Acts 9
    Saul’s Conversion
    1Meanwhile, Saul was still breathing out murderous threats against the Lord’s disciples. He went to the high priest 2and asked him for letters to the synagogues in Damascus, so that if he found any there who belonged to the Way, whether men or women, he might take them as prisoners to Jerusalem.

    There was no blinding light, I did not fall from my horse but the scales did fall from my eyes when I made a commitment to God’s Truth. And that is when the real persecution begins for us, the true followers of Christ. And the stronger our stand, the stronger the persecution. One day soon, God’s Truth will be vindicated.

    Psalm 7:9
O righteous God, who searches minds and hearts, bring to an end the violence of the wicked and make the righteous secure.


  208. Kevin says:

    Paula White and Benny Hinn’s Roman VACATION.

    (maybe Paula White, who was NEVER ordained, has NO theological OR higher education…..CANNOT spell right???….. so, please read “in the vatican for ministry work” AS “on vacation ministering to ….”)

    Benny Hinn and Paula White have written:

    Benny Hinn, “I was invited by Vatican officials to visit the Vatican to discuss future ministry opportunities there. Paula was likewise invited to have meetings in the region, and, although we spent time together, we were never alone”.

    Paula White says, “I publicly profess and forcefully renounce assertions that the recent trip to Italy to meet with Vatican officials suggests that the friendship is in any way improper or morally impure .We traveled independently to the region for respective ministry duties “.

    LIES! LIES! LIES!

    PROOFS:

    1.On July 11, 2010 at the WWWIC, Tampa, Florida morning services (Paula White’s Church):

    Emcees Sheila(pastor) and her husband Bill announced together for the first time. Sheila is the REGULAR emcee.

    Between 9:30 and 9:45 AM for the 9AM service and between 11:30 and 11:45AM for the 11AM service these are the announcements Sheila made:

    a) WWIC has completed 19 years and Pastor Paula is completing her first anniversary of her RETURN to WWIC.

    b) Pastor Paula will be on vacation and is not here today (July 11, 2010) and will not be here on Thursday for the 7PM service (July15, 2010)

    c) Pastor Fred did a great job on Thursday July 8, 2010. He will lead these services while Pastor Paula is on vacation.

    d) We will ALWAYS stand up when we say Pastor Paula’s name in the future to respect her anointed spirit.

    e) Jeff is available in the lobby before and after ALL the services this month to help the congregation with real estate issues like short sales. The church uses his services regularly. Please feel free to consult him in the lobby.

    Sheila introduced her husband as the handsome man who will now be by her side. Things will now be done differently in the church.

    ALL OF THE ABOVE WERE STREAMED LIVE AND CAN BE CONFIRMED BY HUNDREDS AND THOUSANDS OF THE CONGREGATION AND INTERNET VIEWERS AS WELL AS BENG ON TAPE. ALSO, BY SHELA’s TESTIMONY UNDER OATH.

    FURTHER PROOF: FROM Facebook:

    Paula White | Facebook
    Welcome to the official Facebook Page about Paula White.
    http://www.facebook.com/pages/Paula-White/104988617312

    ABOUT PAULA WHITE’s NEGLECTING OF THE NEW TUESDAY SHOW:

    Simona Foletta Hi Pastor Paula, Please say that you are just too busy about our Fathers business and that’s why you haven’t been live on Tuesdays (via http://www.paulawhite.tv) and that you will resume your teachings live on Tuesday’s once your schedule permits. We miss you Pastor Paula!! :)
    July 20 at 6:53pm · Comment · Like · Flag
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    Valentina Kanich We miss you ,Pastor Paula!Can’t wait for you to connect with us live again!
    July 20 at 6:56pm · 1 person ·

    Linda Hughes George What’s going on woman of God?
    July 19 at 2:32pm ·

    ABOUT PASTOR PAULA COMING BACK FROM VACATION:

    Patrick Bird We love you lots too Pastor Paula! It’s great having you back!
    July 18 at 8:18pm · Comment · Like · Flag
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    Paula White What an AMAZING and AWESOME day we had in the presence of God today at WWIC! We are in a GREAT move of God… Souls are being saved, lives restored and the supernatural power of God manifested! I am grateful to experience His goodness! Love you all lots…
    July 18 at 7:49pm · Comment · Like

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    ABOUT THE ANNIVERSARY:

    Paula White I am excited about services at WWIC tomorrow 9 and 11 am! It will be our 19th year as a ministry and one year since my return as Senior Pastor. I am sooo grateful to Pastor the GREATEST people ever… I love you all LOTS!!! Make sure you bring someone with you!
    July 17 at 7:25pm · Comment · Like
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    ABOUT PASTOR PAULA BEING ON VACATION WITH THE KNOWLEDGE OF HER STAFF AND CONGREGATION:

    Patrick Bird Dear Pastor Paula, The one true friend is Jesus that always knows who we truely are and will reveal that to those who are attracted to who we truely are. I am very blessed and privileged to know you and to receive from heaven through you each and every week as you speak into my life by preaching God’s Word! Hope your well deserved vacation provided you with the time to rest and enjoy your life apart from the daily demands that are normally upon you.
    July 16 at 11:41am · Comment · Like · Flag

    Elizabeth Valentin aka’Chispa Pastor Paula Javen was on FIRE the Holy Spirit took over last night!WOW..We miss you Momma come back home it truly is not the same without you!!!xoxo
    July 16 at 10:46am · Comment · Like · Flag
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    SOMEONE TAKE A PICTURE OF THESE PAGES OF PAULA WHITE’S OFFICIAL FACEBOOK PAGE!! TJOUGH THIS IS PROOOOOOOF!!!!

  209. Gerard says:

    Paula and Hinn affair were result of illiteracy in the word of God.
    What expertise had this man in heart is pleading money from his
    partners whom I was once a victim for 5 years. The Jesus whom
    benny is serving is not Jesus in the bible. Because of aggrandisement
    and fame he obtained from deceptions, he had tasted everything but
    not the good doctrines that would develop personal relationship with God.
    The best experienced he had to taste after those luxuries in life is to taste
    the Jezebel like Paula who also a sexual desirous. Twice divorced woman
    Preacher is an evident of satan’s agent.
    I can recall Paula’s boasting over This is Your Day program testifying that
    the wrestler Broc Lesnar was totally converted through her ministry.
    Broc Lesnar is now in the UFC worse than he was in the wrestling world.
    Those father’s House project of Benny Hinn are just front on his millions
    and lavish style, so that faithful christians who are willing to make noble
    deeds for God are totally blinded, thinking that benny is doing right and
    worth for their financial supports.
    Wake up Folks! use your money wisely, help the needy directly and not
    through this Charlatan preachers like Benny and other Charismatic figures.

  210. Teresa says:

    When I began to research this stuff, this you tube clip, well just watch.

    http://faith-defenders.com/2010/01/run-run-for-your-life-run/

  211. Teresa says:

    My friend Deb found this youtube clip of Jesse Duplantis seveal months ago. This is what we are to run from. This joker right here was the straw that broke the camels back as to why I finally left my old Church.

  212. Well, search the internet for a thousand blog sites critical of Benny Hinn and Elmer Gantry clan of Christian (so-called) broadcasters.
    You will find cogent, or loony, or in between critique on the idiot overlords of extraction via religion.
    And you will also find nothing stops idiot overlords in religion (or politics) from mind-raping sheep, ruining their finances, and living high in power and in money.
    All has been tried to stop these clerical and political mystic tyrants and nothing has worked. Critiques have not worked. Even THIS blog site: :( (But it’s OK!)
    So let’s try to just love these enemies of good, who themselves pretend to be good, and make legions who also pretend to be good. The critical crowd ain’t good either!
    The untried answer is to just love the idiots. LOVE THE IDIOTS! (or we be idiots).
    Don’t love them as “taken-in” blinded, soul-raped sheep who obsequies and willingly-ignorant amen all evil.
    No, rather love them as rotten children must be loved by somebody for them to ever turn out right.
    Except even our love can’t fix the death-lock situation our world is now under thru these horrible mystic tyrants.
    Here’s what we do: We LOVE all idiots, even our slave-masters in politics and religion. Just love the creeps.
    Then, God will do what He must.
    He clearly ain’t moving now, because we love not.
    When the best of us love the worst of us, God will move.
    An idiot can do violence to another idiot.
    Only a Son or Daughter of God returns evil with good.
    We must stop the long critic-blogs stating the obvious.
    We must pioneer love.
    Our job: Love.
    God’s job: The rest.
    It will end well for those who love.
    Not so, the others…. especially cleric and political tyrants.
    We don’t want anyone to really get what they deserve!
    We must love and ask God’s mercy even on our enemies!
    LOVE!

  213. Rev's Kate & Rich M. says:

    Hey, Al Talbot– take a break and have a nap, it’s late! Talk to you in the morning, OK? God’s best– K

  214. Ruitje says:

    @Teresa, thanks for that video from Duplantis. I heard someone in my country say exactly the same in a discussion about healing. I was shocked… So we can decide when we die? Well that’s Word Faith teaching and the samen is teached by Andrew Wommack: God is not in control, we are. So we are ‘gods’.

    Sad to see people believe this crap.

  215. Ruitje says:

    @Robert WB, you should tell that to the apostle Paul when he was speaking hard words in Galatians to people who were deceiving the flock… Love is right, but love can not tolerate sin and liars who deceive people and teach them another ‘jesus’. See also 2 Corintians 11.

    By the way: Jesus was hard to the pharisees and teachers in his time…

  216. Imelda says:

    hi there.. greetings from Indonesia!

    WOW!!! i’ve seen the pic, read the article and some links you guys shared.
    well, they both are public figures especially in Christian community. some of us maybe shocked by the news. but this news is to prove that they are just as human as us. maybe the news is true, maybe it’s not, who knows?! they are.. and God of course! so my opinion is.. it is not our portion to judge them. i’m not defending anybody, i am simply just one of Christ believer. we better response wisely for this matter. we are brothers and sisters in the Lord, so lets pray for them as sisters and brothers would do and let God do His portion to reveal the truth in His time.

    to God be the glory!!!

    ps. i totally agree with Robert Winkler Burke, LOVE! because God is LOVE!

    blessings..

  217. Carolyn says:

    Ah, Teresa. Another false teacher who is a legend in his own mind. Just when you think it couldn’t get any more ridiculous. It does!

  218. cowbelle says:

    Kevin says d) We will ALWAYS stand up when we say Pastor Paula’s name in the future to respect her anointed spirit.

    This really burns my biscuits, how disgusting, She is not a Pastor and not annointed. I pray that these people wake up, this sounds like control and manipulation is happening in that church. I want to have a right spirit regarding all these greedy filthy preachers, but this one really got to me. How dare they order people around like that. Who do they think they are? This is out right dangerous, remember Jim Jones, we have to get the warnings out to these people. This has got to stop. Sorry I am really upset about this one.

  219. cowbelle says:

    This was not directed to Kevin. I know Kevin was copying and pasting from Paulas website, Thank you for posting it. This is just abhorrant.

  220. Rene says:

    No recent comments from Benny Hinn of Paula White to explain the photos.

    You know what it appears is happening? Benny pulled his comment down from his website about his reason to visit Italy. Paula White’s Facebook page doesn’t seem to any longer have what someone pasted above – but will say that the one person that made the comment about the vacation is a constant poster on Paula’s website.

    They are moving into putting in to place the theology of ‘name it and claim it’ – the name being that they don’t want no on talking about it so they aren’t – and they are claiming that if they ignore it long enough people won’t care.

    Considering the news of the day, people with no jobs, no money to buy food, people that have lost their homes with no place to live – – does it mean anything in the larger picture? God will take care of all of it in the end. Sad thing is that they will continue more than likely to lie and twist scripture as they reap in millions and live in a lifestyle that those that watch them could never even dream of living for one night let alone as these people do on a day to day basis. Some will fall away from God, some will continue to hold onto their belief in God even after the negative experience. They have to stand before God and He will judge all of us.

    I suggest following the instructions that are found in scripture – pray for our own self, pray for family, pray for those that we love, pray for out leaders in this world, etc. Live the life as Jesus told us to do in the world that we live in.

    If someone asks you about a false teacher, tell them what you know to a point, but not overkill. Be prepared with scriptures to share.

    If enough of us actually start living our life in the world that we live in, our day to day life – – just think of the positive change to the world that we could actually get to be part of and how God could use any of us, down to a simple smile to bring His joy to someone that really needs Him in their life today.

  221. Ruitje says:

    @Rene, amen.

  222. silks says:

    These comments are SO HeartFelt. It is just unfortunate that the people who Really need to read these….aren’t.
    I wonder if it is ok to post some of these to her (Paula’s)facebook page?
    Maybe a few will get the message because right now she has her fingers in their eyes.

  223. samutare says:

    if the Israelites did not leave Egypt a poor nation, why woukd the church leave the earth a poor earth. The church should prosper therefore the prosperity gospel should be preached. If the salvation gospel is preached to save people, the healing gospel preached to heal people, why not preach the prosperity gospel to have people prosper. John prayed that we may prosper in everything and that all may go well with us even as our souls prosper. Forward with the total gospel (that includes salvation, healing and prosperity) and Away with poverty. Is God poor? no, not at all, so must His children be poor? Certainly not!!! Do you guys want to be poor? Maybe you do, but we ourselves do not want to be poor therefore the Lord prospers us according to His word which cannot lie.

  224. Teresa says:

    Cowbelle, That really burns my biscuits, LOL I love that, you made me laugh.

    I know this post is not about Jesse Duplantis but I must share. For the last 9 years Jesse comes to my old church in WV. He says things that are just so off the wall and people amen him and clap when he says these thing. In 2007 and 2008 he said several things that just really did not set well with me. Keep in mind that he said something in April 2007 that I forgot about. In August 2007 is when the research began. My husband and I had already left [our old church] and went to the woman pastor’s church that was under Bill Hamon, which is another story. This is what Jesse said: I am going to say something that is going to shock you. God has all power in heaven but no authority on Earth, zero, none. He give it all to us. That was in 2007. We were at that woman church for 4 months and went back to [our old church] only to find out that the NAR teaching was there ,WOW, more heresy. Anyway, April 2008 Jesse comes there again, I really did not want to go but being in the choir you are required to be there. We sing, then he begins to preach. He said it again and then he added that he has done greater works than Jesus and said Jesus told him to say that. I thought I was going to need a barf bag. I picked up my bible and left the platform. My husband and I confronted pastor about that and he agreed with Jesse and we tod him that we were in the wrong church. We left in August and moved to WI. Love Teresa

  225. Rene says:

    @samutare – what makes you think that there are many gospels? On what do you base such a teaching?

    Php 1:27 OnlyG3440 let your conversation beG4176 as it becomethG516 theG3588 gospelG2098 of Christ:G5547 thatG2443 whetherG1535 I comeG2064 andG2532 seeG1492 you,G5209 or elseG1535 be absent,G548 I may hearG191 of your affairs,G5216 G4012 thatG3754 ye stand fastG4739 inG1722 oneG1520 spirit,G4151 with oneG3391 mindG5590 striving togetherG4866 for theG3588 faithG4102 of theG3588 gospel;G2098

    Left in the numbers so that you can look up and see that the words mean exactly what they say – the word “gospel” is singular.

    Putting aside any thing that someone might have told you, lets instead take a look at scripture and see what it has to say about man’s version of riches:

    Luk 18:24 AndG1161 when JesusG2424 sawG1492 that heG846 wasG1096 very sorrowful,G4036 he said,G2036 HowG4459 hardlyG1423 shall they that haveG2192 richesG5536 enterG1525 intoG1519 theG3588 kingdomG932 of God!G2316

    Consider WELL about just where this verse comes from – Jesus teachings to the young RICH MAN.

    Luk 16:14 AndG1161 theG3588 PhariseesG5330 also,G2532 who wereG5225 covetous,G5366 heardG191 allG3956 these things:G5023 andG2532 they deridedG1592 him.G846
    Luk 16:15 AndG2532 he saidG2036 unto them,G846 YeG5210 areG2075 they which justifyG1344 yourselvesG1438 beforeG1799 men;G444 butG1161 GodG2316 knowethG1097 yourG5216 hearts:G2588 forG3754 that which is highly esteemedG5308 amongG1722 menG444 isG2076 abominationG946 in the sightG1799 of God.G2316

    This is Jesus teachings those that are in AUTHORITY and in the position to TEACH – how does the teaching of Jesus compare to the life that way too many that claim they are teaching His teachings live?

    So things ‘highly esteemed by man’ isn’t what God esteems. Just because someone says it, doesn’t make it true, not when there is nothing there to support it within scripture.

    Mar 10:23 AndG2532 JesusG2424 looked round about,G4017 and saithG3004 unto hisG848 disciples,G3101 HowG4459 hardlyG1423 shall they that haveG2192 richesG5536 enterG1525 intoG1519 theG3588 kingdomG932 of God!G2316

    Mat 22:36 Master,G1320 whichG4169 is the greatG3173 commandmentG1785 inG1722 theG3588 law?G3551
    Mat 22:37 (G1161) JesusG2424 saidG2036 unto him,G846 Thou shalt loveG25 the LordG2962 thyG4675 GodG2316 withG1722 allG3650 thyG4675 heart,G2588 andG2532 withG1722 allG3650 thyG4675 soul,G5590 andG2532 withG1722 allG3650 thyG4675 mind.G1271
    Mat 22:38 ThisG3778 isG2076 the firstG4413 andG2532 greatG3173 commandment.G1785
    Mat 22:39 AndG1161 the secondG1208 is like untoG3664 it,G846 Thou shalt loveG25 thyG4675 neighbourG4139 asG5613 thyself.G4572
    Mat 22:40 OnG1722 theseG5025 twoG1417 commandmentsG1785 hangG2910 allG3650 theG3588 lawG3551 andG2532 theG3588 prophets.G4396

    The teachings of Jesus – so simple. So unlike what so many attempt to promote. So different than the apostles teachings.

    1Ti 6:17 ChargeG3853 them that are richG4145 inG1722 this world,G3568 G165 that they be not highminded,G5309 G3361 norG3366 trustG1679 inG1909 uncertainG83 riches,G4149 butG235 inG1722 theG3588 livingG2198 God,G2316 who givethG3930 usG2254 richlyG4146 all thingsG3956 toG1519 enjoy;G619
    1Ti 6:18 That they do good,G14 that they be richG4147 inG1722 goodG2570 works,G2041 (G1511) ready to distribute,G2130 willing to communicate;G2843
    1Ti 6:19 Laying up in storeG597 for themselvesG1438 a goodG2570 foundationG2310 againstG1519 theG3588 time to come,G3195 thatG2443 they may lay hold onG1949 eternalG166 life.G2222

    When was the last time that you saw someone sell just one of their homes, a plane maybe, one of their cars vs. pandering and seeking money from others to obtain such? But you DO see them taking very expensive trips, paying for whole floors of hotels, luxury – well, you know where this is going.

    It simply boils down to the point, do you really believe that it is God’s will for you to send any financial support to those that are in such a lifestyle?

  226. Rene says:

    @Al Talbott says:
    August 2, 2010 at 7:18 pm
    She’s single and he’s divorcing, or near divorcing. Why can’t they have some fun? They both work hard. Paula needs to let her hair down. She is too uptight.

    Sorry, but suggesting that being “near divorcing” is the same as “divorced” is like someone saying that they are a “little bit pregnant” – one either IS or ISN’T.

    I know that isn’t a popular view in the world that we live in – but then if one is following the rules given by God – there should be no question about if such would be right or wrong.

  227. Rene says:

    @silks

    I see no indication that going to say Paula’s Facebook page and asking direct questions would stay there. The only comments that seem to be staying there are the ones that totally support her and those that are anti that come off in the worst possible light.

    I will say that I found it more than a tad interesting to find this written just DAYS after the photos came out, the comments that are now no longer on websites were posted:

    http://www.charismamag.com/index.php/fire-in-my-bones/29039–say-goodbye-to-the-untouchable-preachers#readmore

    You may not like the source – but the content and timing of it – WOW. This one quote alone might cause some to go and take a look…

    “When well-meaning Christians quote 1 Chronicles 16:22 (“Do not touch My anointed ones, and do My prophets no harm,” NASB) to cover up corruption or charlatanism, they do horrible injustice to Scripture. This passage does not require us to stay quiet when a leader is abusing power or deceiving people.”

  228. Teresa says:

    Ruitje, google more of Jesse messages, cause he has lots more heresy to spread around like cancer. It goes to show how dangerous these people are and how dangerous their teachings are because he says these things and people laugh at him. I just call it blasphemy. The night I left the platform, I had to because I wanted to raise my hand and ask him if he has ever raised anyone from the dead or open blind eyes, but his security peope were all over the place and they would have taken me out of there, so I left. God bless everyone

  229. Rev's Kate & Rich M. says:

    Mr. Talbot– reading your comment and as I said I would talk with you again.

    I take offense at your mentioning Ms. White’s crotch and the possibility of her panties showing, and talking about her breasts– it is disgraceful and is an inappropriate comment.

    Jesus Christ did not engage in sexual contact with Mary Magdalene, who, by the way is a pillar of the church of Christ. I will not waste my time defending that one. Your comment smells of a lack of biblical education and gross misogyny.

    Yes, this blog site is available to everyone, my dear friend, however it does not give you the license to talk like a pig and act like a barnyard animal!

    There are women of God on this blog site and we are set apart for the Almighty’s work. We are to be respected and revered and when you respond, do so in a gentelemanly fashion or take it on the arches, buddy! Rev. Kate

    • Chrystal says:

      Thanks for catching that, Kate. I had meant to hit the delete button, but I guess I hit the wrong one instead.

      Al Talbot’s comment has been deleted.

      Sorry about that.

  230. Carolyn says:

    How quickly I can get into the deadness of the mind. This week I have been wrestling with business quandries, niggling self doubt, family anxieties, worldly cares and concern for troubling antics of mice and men. Everything piled on me at once.
    Today I was able to turn my focus back to the simplicity that we have in Christ, our refuge, strength, hope, deliverer, guide, protector and provider. We can search the Scriptures to focus our attention back on the One who is our life.
    Proverbs 3:5-6 (New King James Version)
    5 Trust in the LORD with all your heart,
    And lean not on your own understanding;
    6 In all your ways acknowledge Him,
    And He shall direct[a] your paths.
    And his peace has returned to guard my heart and mind. He is a secure shelter from the storms of life.
    Proverbs 18:10
    10 The name of the LORD is a strong tower;
    the righteous run to it and are safe.
    Hope that encourages someone who is facing similar struggles.

  231. Ruitje says:

    @Teresa, I did a lot of research last year, so I know all about the false prophets and teachers. Now I try to focus on Gods Word, the truth and teach that to people: read your bible! If we are standing in truth we can see the heresy very quickly. Who is the one they focus on? Christ or man?

  232. Ruitje says:

    @samutare, prosperity is focused on now, on this earth. The same satan could deceive Eve: You can get it now of you eat from the forbidden tree. Jesus could get everything without suffering if He would have bowed to satan (Luke 4), but Jesus knew the heresy.

    You are focused on the ‘now’ and the treasures of earth. It’s a sad gospel if you have to ‘live you best life now’ (Joel Osteen preaches that)…

    The apostle Paul writes in 2 Cor. 4:18 that he looks at the things not seen, not at the things seen (the now).
    And he must have been a bad gospelpreacher would be the conclusion of the proud arrogant prosperitypreachers. Paul was poor, he was suffering, had to work for a living (making tents).

  233. seeker3k says:

    Don’t love the false practitioners.

    >> RWB August 3, 2010 at 10:30 pm “All has been tried to stop these clerical and political mystic tyrants and nothing has worked. Critiques have not worked. Even THIS blog site….. So let’s try to just love these enemies of good…..”

    Well, Robert Winkler Burke, you indirectly make yourself part of the wolves for asserting a notion that “wolves” should be loved, in a sense of goodwill towards them.

    There is precedent in the Bible for handing them over to Satan – 1Tim 1:20 (some already are there).

    >> “When the best of us love the worst of us, God will move.”

    That is a false prophecy.

    You are using God’s name in a prediction.

    Benny Hinn is a false prophet who makes false predictions about what God is going to do.

    Misusing God’s name in that way makes it blasphemy as well.

    Winkler Burke, the context of your assertion to “love” these evil practitioners is similar to asserting we should love the devil (the devil only made “a small mistake” of equating himself with God).

    In using the word “Love” a biblical definition must be used.

    The “worldly” definition of love includes concepts like “feelings of pleasure and unity towards everything without any moral boundaries (non judgemental)”.

    The consequence of the Biblical definition of love is confronting error.

    1Cor 13:6 love does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth.

    “Love confronts evil” is the same as “Love rejoices with truth”.

    For example, Jesus stated to the woman caught in adultery “go and sin no more” (John 8:11).

    That is a rebuke against error and a consequence of God’s definition of love.

    The following includes similar rebukes against error as a consequence of God’s definition of love:

    John 3:16-21 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
    For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
    Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
    This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.
    Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
    But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God.”

    Those who are aware must speak out against the deceptions in order to alert those who are interested in the truth.

    The discernment blogs are confronting evil by naming names along with giving the Biblical basis of the refutals.

    Their job is done, so Winkler Burke you are indirectly asserting some kind of reversal to extend goodwill to “wolves”, whereas the Bible asserts flee them.

    2 Tim 3:1-5 But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God–having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with them.

    I do not believe it is possible for Benny Hinn to repent, as he has persisted in exploiting God’s name for personal gain and loves playing with familiar spirits in graveyards, etc.
    It is appropriate he spend eternity with those familiar spirits.

    It is serious for people to lead others astray:

    Luke 17:1-2 Jesus said to his disciples: “Things that cause people to sin are bound to come, but woe to that person through whom they come.
    It would be better for him to be thrown into the sea with a millstone tied around his neck than for him to cause one of these little ones to sin.”

    The only love that can be applied towards Benny Hinn is in warning people to flee his influence.

    If they don’t they are guilty of participating in fraud, “loving and practicing falsehood”:

    Rev 22:15 Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.

    Winkler Burke you are mistaken to be expecting that the discernment blogs are somehow misguided or ineffective in their critiques, because supposedly it isn’t stopping the “wolves” in their work.

    The Bible has predicted an invasion of deception in end times, and this cannot be “loved” or “prayed away”.

    You cannot pray away or “love away” things the Bible has predicted will happen.

    However you can expose the deceptions and warn people to flee danger.

    That is a very loving thing to do.

    Well done discernment blogs.

    Your work is effective.

    Unfortunately many people love deception, so they will be damned for eternity.

    If they had feared the Lord more then that could have been prevented:

    Prov 14:26-27 He who fears the lord has a secure fortress, and for his children it will be a refuge. The fear of the LORD is a fountain of life, turning a man from the snares of death.

    Maybe God permits ministers like Benny Hinn to stay alive only as a test for who loves the truth.

    People who participate with Benny are failing the test.

    They should do some investigation and start passing the test.

  234. realdeal says:

    Well, after all, Jesse has been to heaven, saw God and came back to tell about it….LOL….have any of you folks seen that video? That is the tallest tale I have EVER heard. Sad part was all those sheeple sitting there nodding their heads and swallowing these lies. How could anyone not walk out on that? Strange indeed.

  235. Charity says:

    @Teresa, love the video you posted from faith defenders. I had never heard it before. Gread video!

  236. Uzo says:

    Before you all take sides with evil, before your propaganda hungry souls devalue a true minister of God and take sides with satan, take caution. I’m sure many of you are christians but you fail to seal your lips until the truth is uncovered. Don’t you know that even men of God go through trials and temptations? Don’t you know that continously satan tries to destroy the work of God? What if you all fueling this story are wrong? What if God is pleased with Benny Hinn and you all are partnering with satan to destroy him? Just because you cannot patiently wait for God’s own execution of judgment? Why can’t people see stories and excersise patience? If God is for him and you are against him, you are then against God. If God decides to pay your for working with men and satan against his true embattled servant, who will be your savior?

  237. Carolyn says:

    Teresa
    When I read your account of what has happened to you with Jesse Duplantis coming to your church I thought of Jude. Although Paul wanted to talk to them about more important things, ie their faith in Christ, he needed to inform them of the error and fate of those who were teaching heresy. This could be Jude writing to you:
    Jude 1
    1Jude, a servant of Jesus Christ and a brother of James,
    To those who have been called, who are loved by God the Father and kept by[a] Jesus Christ:
    2Mercy, peace and love be yours in abundance.
    The sin and doom of Godless men
    3DEAR FRIENDS, ALTHOUGH I WAS VERY EAGER TO WRITE TO YOU ABOUT THE SALVATION WE SHARE, I FELT I HAD TO WRITE AND URGE YOU TO CONTEND FOR THE FAITH THAT WAS ONCE FOR ALL ENTRUSTED TO THE SAINTS.4For certain men whose condemnation was written about[b] long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are godless men, who change the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.
    5Though you already know all this, I want to remind you that the Lord[c] delivered his people out of Egypt, but later destroyed those who did not believe. 6And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their own home—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day. 7In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.
    8In the very same way, these dreamers pollute their own bodies, reject authority and slander celestial beings. 9But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not dare to bring a slanderous accusation against him, but said, “The Lord rebuke you!” 10Yet these men speak abusively against whatever they do not understand; and what things they do understand by instinct, like unreasoning animals—these are the very things that destroy them.
    11Woe to them! They have taken the way of Cain; they have rushed for profit into Balaam’s error; they have been destroyed in Korah’s rebellion.
    12These men are blemishes at your love feasts, eating with you without the slightest qualm—shepherds who feed only themselves. They are clouds without rain, blown along by the wind; autumn trees, without fruit and uprooted—twice dead. 13They are wild waves of the sea, foaming up their shame; wandering stars, for whom blackest darkness has been reserved forever.
    14Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men: “See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones 15to judge everyone, and to convict all the ungodly of all the ungodly acts they have done in the ungodly way, and of all the harsh words ungodly sinners have spoken against him.” 16These men are grumblers and faultfinders; they follow their own evil desires; they boast about themselves and flatter others for their own advantage.
    A call to persevere
    17But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. 18They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.” 19These are the men who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit.
    20But you, dear friends, build yourselves up in your most holy faith and pray in the Holy Spirit. 21Keep yourselves in God’s love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life.
    22Be merciful to those who doubt; 23snatch others from the fire and save them; to others show mercy, mixed with fear—hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh.
    Doxology
    24To him who is able to keep you from falling and to present you before his glorious presence without fault and with great joy— 25to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.

    It is an encouragement to us all…first to understand and appreciate our faith, then to contend for it and lastly, to trust Him who is able to keep us secure until we reach the other side. He is more than enough!

  238. Mike A says:

    @ samutare

    nobody on this site states that people must be poor to be Christian; most here do agree that to preach that your wallet is only as fat as your faith in just a big pile of dung – a real smelly pile at that.

    Go read your bible cover to cover, highlight all passages related to prosperity, and create a systematic theology on it. You will discover that your idea of prosperity and God’s are completely different.

  239. FLEE FROM THE WRATH TO COME GOD WILL JUDGE THEM PETER FEED MY SHEEP DON’T SMOTE SERVANTS EARS OFF JUDGE NOT LEST YOU BE JUDGED AMEN FATHER FORGIVE THEM FOR THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE EVEN DOING THIS EVIL WILLFULLY DON’T YOU KNOW GOD IS WATCHING YOU AND LISTENING DO YOU EVEN CARE ABOUT HIS WRATH TO COME THAT PS. 51 CHRISTIANS REPENT ANTI-CHRISTIANS REPENT FIND GOD AND BE SAVED FROM THE WRATH TO COME GOD LOVES YOU BUT HATES YOUR SIN DON’T BE THE SIN DO NOT BE THE LOST SHEEP PRODIGAL SON COME BACK TO YOUR FIRST LOVE GET THE OTHER GOD THE PRINCE OF DARKNESS OUT OF YOUR HEARTS (SPEAKING IN UNKNOWN TONGUES) AMEN FIND GOD IF YOU KNOW OF HIM GIVE YOUR HEARTS ALL THE WAY OVER TO JESUS CHRIST THE LORD AND SAVIOUR HEY YOU STILL GOT TIME IF YOU BREATHING

  240. KITTY says:

    Have you noticed that Paula White is looking more and more like Joan Rivers ?

  241. TL says:

    I certainly hope that none of you are ever accused of anything that is not true. You jump on the wagon of those that are unrighteous (non believers) so quickly. Perhaps you soon will be judged and accused of something you know is untrue since you judge so harshly. If you don’t have proof stop the gossip and pray for them “Let he that is without sin cast the first stone.” Love is believing the best, and hoping the best, especially for our fellow Christians. If Benny says nothing immoral happened, I believe him. I don’t have proof otherwise. You will be held accountable for your actions as well. Especially if he is called and used by God. If Benny and Paula have sinned God will hold them accountable.

  242. Teresa says:

    My friend emailed me this article from Lee Grady from charisma magazine. He wrote this article Aug. 4 2010, no name were metioned but interesting article, check it out.

    http://www.charismamag.com/index.php/fire-in-my-bones/29039–say-goodbye-to-the-untouchable-preachers

  243. Sean says:

    No name mentioned. However I have to say the line, “When they begged for $2 million more in donations”, is quite timely.

  244. Rene says:

    Ruitje says:
    August 5, 2010 at 1:57 am “The apostle Paul writes in 2 Cor. 4:18 that he looks at the things not seen, not at the things seen (the now).
    And he must have been a bad gospelpreacher would be the conclusion of the proud arrogant prosperitypreachers. Paul was poor, he was suffering, had to work for a living (making tents).”

    All scripture is given for instruction.

    When seeing scripture such as you point out above, I am amazed and in awe of the real possiblity that God KNEW even back when that scripture was written that His followers would be able to see the examples of not only Jesus, but His apostles and their lifestyle, the attitude, their intent, how they never begged for money for their ministry. How different than what we see from many that claim to have the same or similar calling on their life today on tv, radio, books, and speaking/teaching totally different than that example.

    Someone else commented (can’t find it at the moment) about those that practice and live a lifestyle as a minister of the gospel such in the world we live in today – no hope for them. Me? I see Saul, the man that lived to kill those that followed Jesus be so transformed by Jesus that his name was even changed to Paul.

    I don’t believe that any are suggesting that any of us are perfect – and I really don’t expect such from Hinn or White. But it would be so simple to just tell who they were seeing in Rome – that those persons confirm such – that as a married man, no matter how innocent they want to claim, a married man shouldn’t be going into hotel rooms or walking around town holding hands with a woman that isn’t his wife.

    Their silence is and tells more than I think that they realize. As to those that want to ignore such a simple approach and blindly go along and ‘touch not the annointed’ – what many of us are suggesting that they do, take an honest look and consider just changing people in the situation to say THEIR HUSBAND, their SISTERS husband, their DAD coming out of a hotel room holding hands, walking around town with a woman – if they would be approaching it as they seem to want others to do.

    Totally changes the complexion of things. A real eye opener.

    All that and not even touching on the theology that Hinn and White promote which I don’t agree with at all.

  245. mikey says:

    Let God judge them;always think the best;blah,blah,blah…..I know this is an extreme example, but, if I see a guy holding a gun and coming at me, what am I supposed to believe? He’s going to give me a gun safety class? Sometimes, things are just plain obvious. Let’s quit kidding ourselves. I think sometimes people just want to look the other way cause it is the easiest way.

  246. Rev's Kate & Rich M. says:

    Chrystal, you may have posted unaware, a very important subject, and thankfully, to be addressed: the despising of, or hatred of women (misogyny), which happens to be predominant in many third world socities present today and right here in the good old USA; unfortunately in our churches it is rampant and believe it or not in marriage, too– go figure that one out– marriage– which was created by God between a man and a woman, duh! Why get married if women are a problem and men can’t stand ‘em?
    So, sister you done good. K

  247. Carolyn says:

    Uzo….you said:
    August 5, 2010 at 10:15 am
    Before you all take sides with evil, before your propaganda hungry souls devalue a true minister of God and take sides with satan, take caution. I’m sure many of you are christians but you fail to seal your lips until the truth is uncovered. Don’t you know that even men of God go through trials and temptations? Don’t you know that continously satan tries to destroy the work of God? What if you all fueling this story are wrong? What if God is pleased with Benny Hinn and you all are partnering with satan to destroy him?

    Either you haven’t been listening to the facts or you don’t want us to touch your idol. Because that’s what we are interested in…the facts. And with all the research, clips of actual heretical teaching and facts of a self indulgent lifestyle…we can say with complete confidence that the evidence is before us. This man/woman is not teaching or behaving as a man/woman of God. If you lack the spiritual discernment to see the same things we see, then start reading your Bible. You will begin to see the vast difference between serving God and serving mammon. You can’t have it both ways.

  248. Teresa says:

    Hey, Sean I was hoping you guy’s would catch that. I did not want to spoil the article. It is obvious whom he is referring to, huh….. Lots of truth to that article, especially how many time have we all heard “touch not mine anointed and do my prophet no harm”

  249. MargieinOz says:

    Jesse Duplantis manifesting like TB at end of video? He’s as crazy as BH with an active mind, not led by the Holy Spirit

  250. Ruitje says:

    @TL, God will judge Hinn and White, but this is not just one thing that could have been a problem, but the false teaching is bothering me more than what they do together.

    They say: touch not my anointed, but they are touching the little anointed christians. John says that we all have the anointing. So if they deceive people and take their money, they are touching anointed ones.

  251. David says:

    Have you noticed that all the supporters of Hinn and White haven’t been able to offer a single scripture to support their misguided opinions? Of course, this is what Our Lord and Saviour Jesus has to say regarding this:

    “Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.” Matthew 5:14 KJV

    “He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.” Revelation 22:11 KJV

    The Apostle Paul had this to say regarding preachers like Benny Hinn and Paula White as well as all their supporters and followers aka “partners”:

    “But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost; In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, shine unto them.” II Corinthians 4: 3 & 4 KJV

    “For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel: for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing that his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.” II Corinthians 11: 13 – 15 KJV

    Thus saith the Word of The LORD!!

  252. David says:

    @samutare, this is what the Apostle Paul wrote regarding the “prosperity gospel” (with my highlights):

    “But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed” Galations 1:8 KJV

    Remember that the scripture cannot be broken! These aren’t my words, or my opinions, or a personal attack on Benny Hinn and Paula White. They are what the Apsotle Paul wrote regarding “other gospels” or “other ways” of salvation. You won’t find anyone in the Bible that paid money to any of the Old Testament prophets, Jesus or The Apostles and then “got rich” because “God blessed them”. The prosperity gospel is a simple deception that’s based on, and appeals to the same sort of people that buy lottery tickets, or believe in “get rich quick” schemes such as all those “Nigerian” email scams.

    These WoF preachers are all saying if you give them money, then God will bless you and increase your wealth. Yet Jesus, who is God, said:

    “Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.” Matthew 6: 19 – 21 KJV

  253. Teresa says:

    Look at this comment that Dr. Suzy Stiles made, I hope that this is a joke comment.

    Dr Suzy Stiles says:
    I think Beeny Hinn is one of the last two witnesses mentioned in Revelations. I think you is a great, great man! I like when he prays and the people fall down. That is my favorite part. He is one of the two witnesses.

    Posted On: Thursday, Aug. 5 2010 @ 10:40PM

  254. Benny Hinn–National Enquirer article a “pure lie”

    Posted on August 5, 2010 by Rick Hiebert
    By Rick Hiebert. All Rights Reserved. Used By Permission.

    Deciding to grab the bull by the horns, Benny Hinn devoted much of his TV program yesterday to discussing his divorce and the allegations that he and Paula White are having an affair.

    Special thanks to CBN News, which had a reporter watch the broadcast and report on what he said.

    Hinn reportedly said that his wife was wanting a divorce mostly due to his his forgetting his family for ministry duties. Neither he nor his wife had ever committed adultery.

    CBN quotes Hinn as follows regarding the National Enquirer article:

    “They did not even call me to ask me questions. They simply came up with their own story,” he said. “That’s wicked. It’s totally wicked.”

    Hinn explained that he was appointed “Patron of the Arts” by the Vatican and asked to find donors so their art collections could be maintained. He chose White as one of those donors.

    “I let her come with me to Rome so she can donate money. That was stupid on my part. And for that, I do ask forgiveness,” he said. “But that was an innocent mistake — nothing to do with stupid stuff.”

    Thanks much to CBN, as I don’t make a practice of watching Hinn on TV.

    One quote in the article, where Hinn talks about the events leading to his divorce might prove to be prophetic. I’ll add some emphasis:

    “I don’t care how strong you are,” Hinn continued. “I don’t care if the anointing of God is mighty on you. Nobody wants to be alone. I don’t care who you are. I am a human being just like you.”

    If you remember Phil Cooke’s speculation that two prominent evangelists were about to be engaged, this is potentially interesting. If we also remember that Todd Bentley quickly remarried to a lady who was eager to help with ministry where his starter wife wasn’t, I wonder if Hinn might be tempted in the same direction. Would he need a female partner in ministry so he wouldn’t be “lonely”, given that was the reason that he doesn’t want to divorce Suzanne?

    Perhaps the ground is being readied for Mr. Cooke’s eyepopping wedding right now? Interesting to consider…

    http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2010/08/05/benny-hinn-national-enquirer-article-pure-lie/

  255. WatEenZootje says:

    @ Uzo: Can you give me some arguments why you consider Mr. Benny Hinn a minister of God? That must not be so hard isn’t it.

  256. KITTY says:

    Why do people always say “thou shall not judge” ? Don’t they know G-D has already “Judged” adultery and said it was a “SIN”? Its one of HIS big ten “Thou shall NOT commit ADULTERY” its number seven on the list, btw the number seven is G-D’s perfect number. In Luke 7:41-43 Jesus praises Simom for judging rightly. In first Corinthians 6:1-5 we are TOLD to JUDGE these matters(not according to our own judgment, but the JUDGMENT G-D has said in HIS WORD.) And in first Corinthians 4:5 when the LORD brings “light” to someones sin then we are told again to “Judge” according to HIS WORD.In Matthew 18:15-17 we are TOLD to JUDGE again by G-D’s ALREADY established Judgment

  257. KITTY says:

    Please watch the video when Benny Hinn announced his wife was divorcing him, he states that it took him and the kids by surprise and he didn’t know anything was wrong with his marriage, now he says their marriage has been troubled and “over” for years, which is it, he’s lying in one of these statements, you can’t have it both ways. And now in his statement he blames his wife for leaving him “Alone” then he turns around and says HE was always gone and left his wife alone with the kids, he can’t even get one statement straight.And now he is trying to make excuses for his sin by saying don’t I deserve to not be lonely by coming home to a empty house ? Well Benny YOU should have went “home” to your wife and kids. And what about his statement for many years about having an older and not so attractive secretary and NEVER being alone with her, What changed in your heart Benny ?

  258. Rev's Kate & Rich M. says:

    Kitty– they’re all full of baloney! Listen, divorce happens, life happens, we’re human.
    My problem is, can’t there just be some honesty as to why it is happening between the divorcing parties ( which frankly, I do not give a darn, let them figure it out).

    This blame thing– the same line Adam gave God and… Eve threw back at the Creator–boo hoo– take responsibility, grow up and face the music– it’s juvenile and embarrassing! Enough. K

  259. Carolyn says:

    sigh…
    Benny is still spinning tall tales. I was listening to his stories 30 years ago and they were strange, wild and wonderful. He’s telling his audience what they want to hear. I’m with Rev’s Kate and Rich M. on this one. Can’t he just for once in his life be honest???? Step away from the mic, stop trying to save his own reputation and take some responsibility for his own mistakes. Sure he says that he made mistakes…but did God also make mistakes?
    Here’s a little question to ponder:
    How deceived was God to bring such blessing and power and glory on something that he disapproved of the whole time? Shouldn’t we be wondering about how smart God was to disregard his own standards and create a facade of duplicity…by sending waves of “glorious” emotionalism, inspiring false prophetic utterances that rarely, if ever, were accurate and communing face to face with Benny day after day sometimes in a white robe and sometimes in a blue robe?
    Also, in one of those face to face encounters, why didn’t he tell Benny, “you’re family needs you more than we do”. Benny says he now sees that. Did God not see that???
    Just my common sense skills kicking in.
    Colossians 2
    18Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you for the prize. Such a person goes into great detail about what he has seen, and his unspiritual mind puffs him up with idle notions. 19He has lost connection with the Head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow.

  260. David says:

    @ Dorothy Shepherd, I notice you’re an avid supporter of Benny Hinn and Paula White. You made the following statement:

    “I see nothing wrong with the statements both Paula and Benny made. It looks like they pretty closely told the same story.”

    That’s the point right there – they told the same story – they didn’t tell the truth! We here at this blog don’t need to judge them -the Word of God does!!
    Again, apart from “parroting” or recycling “Judge not lest ye be judged” as well as “touch not mine annointed, neither do ye my prophets harm”, you haven’t provided any scriptures to support the behaviour, teaching or prophecies of either Benny Hinn or Paula White.

    I, however, will tell you right here, right now, that Benny Hinn supposedly prayed for my niece to be healed – she’s now dying of cancer that has spread to vital organs of her body and she can longer receive Chemotherapy as that too will kill her due to extensive liver damage. What happenned Dorothy? I thought Benny Hinn was a prophet of God?? Of course, it couldn’t be Benny, he’s looks so “holy” in those white suits! Explain to me why someone he supposedly “healed” is dying slowly and painfully and will not see their 25th birthday??

    Of course, now that makes me a “hater” of Benny Hinn doesn’t it? I don’t hate Benny Hinn or Paula White, but I have personal proof of his failed prophesies and failed “miracles”. Let me aks you a question – Does Benny Hinn know who you are? Does he take a personal interest in the daily life of you and your family, calling you evey now and then to make sure you are safe, and happy, and keeping God’s Word. Checking to make sure that your children are doing well in school, and that your husband is also looking after you and being a good God -fearing husband and father? Becuase that’s what’s required by Jesus and what He expects from all His ministers! He gave this charge to the Apostles:

    “He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.” John 21:17 KJV

  261. realdeal says:

    Well said David….It will never cease to amaze me how folks will defend these ‘men of God’, cough, cough….and will jump on the ‘judge not’ line. Once and for all, Jesus said to use DISCERNMENT people and to watch for the Simon the sorcerers, ravenous wolves, etc. I am NOT judging these guys, that’s God’s job, but I won’t stop trying to make the blind followers of Mr Benny to see the real truth that is the Bible and not these fake ‘seed faith’ money changers false Gospel.

  262. Rev's Kate & Rich M. says:

    Carolyn–awesome, perfect scripture and sums up the whole shebang in a nutshell: they’re acting like nuts and if there ain’t no Head–sister, there sure isn’t going to be any thinking.

    David– your emotional pain is so real and warranted. God has you in the palms of his hands and will not leave you comfortless, nor forsake you in the valley of the shadow of death. Your precious niece is the apple of His eye. God’s outstretched hand will take her and caress her closely to His bosom when she is taken home, that is our hope and promise as believer’s.

    We don’t know why tragedy happens–we don’t have the answers as to who gets a healing and who does not, and that’s very hard to swallow, I know. But, David, you are a man of God, you are set apart for the Master’s glory and you are a pleasure to Him–don’t ever forget that. Much love, K

  263. Rene says:

    @Kitty what you have written is indeed something that those that are followers of Hinn, White, those of that ilk are not going to want to consider. It is like banging the head against the wall.

    My approach is to leave it in God’s hands, that He will open the eyes of those that follow such vs. His Son, that they will see the reality of common sense and follow the actions that these people have taken.

    I have much compassion for these followers of ‘preachers’ as I too was once in delusion and made the very same mistake. If God opened my eyes – He can open their eyes as well – which is my hope.

    As to the gentleman that wrote of a loved one that went to one of the ‘healing crusades’ and the supposed miracle that was turned into wasn’t – – I don’t know what things happen as they do. I just know that God is God, He is indeed real, He sent His Son for our salvation. God’s peace and mercy upon you and your family – – and crazy as this may sound – I do hope that God touches your loved one and that they live a long and fruitful life. If that doesn’t happen, I hope that their life will have touched many for His kingdom and that even though their life was short, it bore fruit that is eternal. PEACE is what I pray for you.

  264. David says:

    @ Rev’s Kate & Rich M and Rene, thank you so much for your kind words of support. My sister and niece put their trust in Benny Hinn and not God! But I’m angry at all the false teaching they’ve recieved as my sister is “grasping at straws”. She even went to New Age convention seeking answers, obviously unaware of the dangers. They’re totally deceived and trying Vitamin C infusions and other quack medicine to try to heal the Cancer. However, my niece has made it very clear that she wants God to heal her – not so she can serve Him, but because she’s missing out on all the pleasures of the World and all the things promised under the false doctrines of the Prosperity Gospel. However, that doesn’t let Benny Hinn off the hook as he claimed cancers were healed, and the believed him!

    Well, this morning The LORD gave me this dire warning regarding Benny Hinn. He will meet the same fate as Hananiah:

    “Then said the prophet Jeremiah unto Hananiah the prophet, Hear now, Hananiah; The LORD hath not sent thee; but thou makest this people to trust in a lie. Therefore thus saith the LORD; Behold, I will cast thee from off the face of the earth: this year thou shalt die, because thou hast taught rebellion against the LORD. So Hananiah the prophet died the same year in the seventh month.” Jeremiah 28:15 – 17 KJV

    The scriptures are filled with warnings regarding what happens to false prophets, and The Lord eventually judges them, always with the same result! When the Lord makes an example of someone, he makes an example of them as seen with Hananiah! Note that the scripture doesn’t say how Hananiah died, just that he died beofre the year was up. Here are two important and well respected comantaries on this subject:

    Wesley’s Notes:
    28:17 Died – Within two months after Jeremiah had thus prophesied; so dangerous a thing it is for ministers to teach people contrary to the revealed will of God.

    Matthew Henry’s Concise Commentary:
    28:10-17 Hananiah is sentenced to die, and Jeremiah, when he has received direction from God, boldly tells him so; but not before he received that commission. Those have much to answer for, who tell sinners that they shall have peace, though they harden their hearts in contempt of God’s word. The servant of God must be gentle to all men. He must give up even his right, and leave the Lord to plead his cause. Every attempt of ungodly men to make vain the purposes of God, will add to their miseries.

    http://bible.cc/jeremiah/28-17.htm

  265. David says:

    There have been many supporters of Benny Hinn and Paula White that have accused the contributors to this blog a falsely accusing them, being judgemental and so on. However, this is what the Scriptures say regarding their statements:

    “One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.” Deuteronomy 19:15 KJV

    and:

    “He that despised Moses’ law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.” Hebrews 10: 28 – 31 KJV

    Of course, this morning the Lord revealed to me that these “apostles” and “prophets” are like Hananiah, and will meet the same end. The scripture cannot be broken, and the scripture there must be two or three witnesses. The Spirit of The Lord led me to this website below. Firstly, the writer is from Africa, hence the reference to “American False Preachers”. From this page you’ll also see from a doctrinal point that the writer believes and support the view of a post Tribulation rapture. However, that’s not what’s being discussed on this blog. What is being discussed and writtenabout are the false doctrines of Benny Hinn, Paula White and numerous other false prophets. This part is of particular releveance:

    False Preachers Prophesying False Peace and Security

    However, many false prophets, preachers, pastors, teachers and Bible College PhDs are prophesying lies to the saints all over the world that nothing will happen to them. They are telling people that “Once Saved, they are always Saved”, that people will be “Raptured away before the tribulation”, that God has paid it all therefore it is God’s will that they live in peace and prosperity…

    These things have lead the people of God not to ready themselves for what is coming ahead, not to watch or even not to care at all for what is coming. Many Christians in America and every place where America-nized Christianity is taught have gotten a false sense of security and feel that nothing will tough or happen to them, that they will just be raptured away. This is all courtesy of the ‘big fat liar’ preachers on American pulpits…

    Some of the False Peace and Security American Doctrines…

    Once Saved Always Saved…

    Raptured Away before the Tribulation…

    Peace Prosperity, Tithe Gospel – Bribe God To ‘Get Rich Quick’ Theology…

    Purpose Driven Satanic Gospel – Goats are driven but Sheep are led…

    False Patriotism – ‘God Bless America Political Christianity’…

    Dominionism – Christian Political Takeover of all Nations for Christ…

    Commercialized Christianity – Sell DVDs Books, CDs and all spiritual junk food…

    Rejection of God’s Ordained Five Fold Ministry Leadership…

    Rejection of God’s Truth, His Word…

    Rejection of Holiness, Purity, and Righteousness…

    Rejection of The Holy Spirit – “I am already filled” Baptist nonsense and stupidity…

    Christian Feminism, usurping Man’s Authority and destroying leadership…

    One-Man CEO Pastor Churches/Ministries – Doctrine of the Nicolaitanes…

    Multi-Million Dollar Mega Church Building Theologies…

    Seeker Friendly Christianity – Friends of the World = World in Church…

    False Church Growth and Home Cell Movement – Playing The ‘Number’s Game’…

    False Worldwide American Missionary Outreaches – New World Order CIA Cover…

    …And many more…

    All these things have created a false sense of security in Christendom that people don’t know what is coming so close ahead of them. The Church leaders keep telling them that all will be okay and keep preaching peace and security…

    The entire document can be found here:

    http://www.covenantnews.com/mivule050927.htm

    The writer truly believes that The Lord will judge and strike down all the false prophets and apostles that we are currently seeing. He uses Hananiah as a biblical type and also what happenned to Hananiah will also befall preachers like Benny Hinn, Paula White, Creflow A Dollar Jr, Todd Bentley and many, many more. please keep in mind and use discernment, as the writer is African, and is not trying to be anti-American, but does make the honest observation regarding the source of these false teachings!

    As far as the prophecy from this writer goes, I noticed that he hasn’t named a particular date or time for the demise of these false prophets, but merely places the event “in the near future”. That’s where discernment comes in.

    The main website which is taking a stand against false doctrine and false prophets in the Africa Continet can be found here:

    http://www.yesumulungi.com/

  266. $.02 x 100 blessing = $2.00
    $2.00 x 100 blessing = $200
    $200 x 100 blessing = $20,000
    $20,000 x 100 blessing = $2,000,000

    Benny Hinn says his ministry needs $2 million. If he would just sow two cents to a fellow prosperity preacher and be patient, he’d get out of financial trouble, right? (See math above!) BH believes his own message of prosperity, but why doesn’t he give generously to the next man like him?

    I guess my real question is this: Why can’t a snake charmer be charmed by the next?

  267. pradeep says:

    Holding some ones hands does not mean he is having an affair, only a perverted mind can think about it.God knows who is what…….

  268. Rene says:

    @pradeep Your right, holding hands alone doesn’t mean an affair. It is when you start putting all the pieces together than a thinking person, with an open mind to viewing facts that one starts to consider.

    As a married man (his wife just filed for divorce in Feb.) holding hands with another woman as they are walking in to and out of hotels – put with the ever changing websites (making comments about the story only to be taken down, but not before people copied them), the fact that Hinn has never suggested that the photos were fake (as several that are Hinn/White supporters have written all over the web). The fact that White’s church was told that she was on ‘vacation’ and not on a ‘missions trip to talk to people at the vatican’ – and most def. not suggested that she was instead off to met up with Hinn.

    Put simply – if your spouse was seen in photos coming in and out of a hotel, holding hands with someone other than yourself, after having invited them to go to another country – – what would you think, your reaction be? If they took the same approach and spin as Hinn/White have done and variations that they have on websites and such – – you would believe what they said? no questions asked? just agree and not address any of the issues?

    Your right, God knows. Too early in my opinion to really say one way or the other. I think that for someone in his position, for that matter ANYONE to have done such, Christian or not, preacher or not – – looks horrid.

    I will say that just talking to those that I know as a measure of opinion that are/were ‘followers’ of his in the area that I live – some, as in more than a few are no longer on sitting on the fence willing to believe the latest comments of Hinn’s. In the land of the ‘bible belt’ where that word is a verb where I live – – many are saying that if he ends up with White after all the dust is settled – – that just confirms it for them.

  269. David says:

    @ Pradeep what’s the matter? Aren’t you getting all the money and “bessings” falling from heaven as promised by Benny Hinn and Paula White? Everyone defending these two have done so out their own selfish desire to be rich! These two and others preach a “gospel of greed”, and have such a great following because their followers are all greedy and selfish. You want to call everyone here “perverts” for pointing out the truth accoring to God’s word, then we from the same Word can point out the truth that your are decieved, as the scriptures state (my emphasis)

    “Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.” II Peter 3: 3 – 7 KJV

  270. ruth says:

    I have recently reseached the questionable and frankly,very strange ,life of Kathryn Kulhman,whom Benny Hinn ‘modelled’ his ‘ministry’ upon .I urge you all to do the same.You will notice the striking similarities and that Benny has now visited the pope in the Vatican,just as Kathryn did,two years before her death. Ms Kulhman also spent huge amounts of money funding a very extravagent lifestyle.

  271. In America, the average price of a home is $184,000 according to June 2010 figures. Seehttp://www.realestateabc.com/outlook/overall.htm
    Should a pastor live in a parsonage 10 times that amount, one costing $1.8 million?
    Should a pastor live in a parsonage 20 times that amount, one costing $3.7 million?
    Or should a pastor live in a parsonage 30 times that amount, one costing $5.5 million?
    If a pastor needs $2 million, why not sell his mansion before asking others for money during a recession?

  272. cowbelle says:

    Ruth I did google Kathryn Kulhman and read up on her. Since the Benny Hinn thing I have come to question alot. I never went to her crusades nor benny hinns not once. We did go to a full gospel church last year for about 3 months and then left. there was an elderly woman that was pastor there that had been preaching for about 25 years or more. She asked me if we have a problem with woman preachers, and at the time we told her we didn’t know. There were just about 15 or 20 people in the church all elderly, there were about 3 or 4 young people. I felt uncomfortable when she preached, and on Mothers day, her only son who also is a preacher at a very small church had a heart attack while he was preaching, and they interuppted her preaching to say he was DOA in the ambulance, it was all very emotionally charged, and they prayed for him and she kept preaching. Most of the things she said I agreed with. Later on her son testified saying he saw the gates of heaven and asked why they prayed him back. Perhaps he had this experiance only the Lord knows.
    We decided to do some studying and found that the full gospel teaches that you have to keep getting more and more of the Spirit to be saved.
    This quote taken from this web site: http://www.inchristalone.org/TheFullGospelError.htm
    rather than being counted righteous on the basis of the imputed righteousness of Christ, there is a constant anxiety or insistence to “do more” in order to “be right.” This lack of understanding about the true nature of justification leads to an unsatisfied quest for more personal righteousness.

    I experienced this also in the United Pentecostal Church, you had to do more and more to be right and to be accepted. It was never enough. What I saw in the UPC and the Full Gospel was alot of beaten down people. These people looked and acted tired and depressed. I felt sorry for them, When they testifyed the pastors daughter spoke of Benny Hinn, they watched these word of faith preachers on Tv.
    We also found these scriptures about women
    1Ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
    1Ti 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
    1Ti 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
    So after much prayer, we decided to leave the full gospel. I don’t believe Paul was talking about the society at that time. He went all the way to Genesis and Adam to speak of this authority. So about Kathryn and these other woman like Paula, wouldn’t it be better for them to have ministered to women? I don’t think their ministry was validated according to these scriptures. I know they use the scripture where it says there is no greek or jew male or female to justify their ministry, but that was talking about something else. Where ever ministry was spoken of in the new testement it was referring to men leaders, Husbands of one wife etc. Another thing one scripture does not invalidate another, that is very dangerous to do that, so taking the whole council of the Word is wise, and rightly dividing. We also don’t justify men abusers, or false authority, or leadership that is hurtful in anyway. I am sorry I wrote so much, but this has been on my heart, I believe women are used yes, like on this blog, and in many aspects of ministry, but to preach and usurp authority over men I just don’t agree with. We continue to pray and study on this, as we search for the Lords guidance and Truth. We want to rightly divide the word of Truth, and one thing is for sure we don’t want error in our hearts. I appreciate so many sharing from their heart in these blogs you have blessed me, lets continue to serve him for He is faithful to keep us from falling,
    Rom 8:39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. God bless,

  273. David says:

    @ RWB, in the Dateline story, the mansion or “parsonage” of Benny Hinn has a conservative value of $10 million! I wouldn’t be surprised if Benny Hinn has his “partners” sucked into believeing that this is just one of the “many mansions” that Jesus spoke of.

  274. Anna says:

    I am disgusted with Benny Hinn and Paula White for their affair. But God is the judge and they will answer for it. I am very angry because both of them go on TV and try to get as munch money from people as they can and doing this despicable thing it is beyond disgusting. Shame on both of them and it would be ridiculous for TBN to allow them any more air time. Oh by the way Benny Hinn can heal sick people as much as I can what a joke and a fake he is.

  275. cowbelle says:

    One more comment, gain is not godliness, shouldn’t the preachers and teachers be teaching the men how to treat their wives? and women to teach women to Love their husbands?
    Tit 2:4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, Shouldn’t this be the focus of true Churches?

    Here is another thought that is very sobering, not one person paid any money to get healing. Not one, the woman that touch the hem of his garment was healed freely. The lepers were healed because he showed mercy and love to them. I don’t find one scripture where money was paid for healing. Lord help us. In fact Act 3:6 Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk. This was never about money. Malachi wasn’t written for the new testement church. He was talking to the priests throughout the whole of malachi, not the people. Too many people want power, self recognition, hense they call themselves prophetesses, prophets, shouldn’t the focus be on Christ and what he has done for us? Jas 5:16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much. John urged us to stay away from the teachings of balaam. Hollywood has corrupted many through seduction of fame fortune and money, but it seems that many who started really Loving the Lord also has been seduced. I have seen and heard of so called prophetesses destroy whole churches. I do earestly pray that some of these leaders will turn from what they been doing and sell their million dollar homes, yes it is going to cost them but oh the blessing, that will coming from them humbling themselves. Let us continue to pray. Bless you all

  276. See Lee Grady’s column: Christian Tv’s All Time Worst Fundraising Gimmicks

    These are classic TBN wiles…. and most pastors go along with all, TBN pastors that is.

    http://www.charismamag.com/index.php/fire-in-my-bones/29088-christian-tvs-all-time-worst-fundraising-gimmicks

  277. seeker3k says:

    >> Cowbelle August 11, 2010 at 6:16 pm “one thing is for sure we don’t want error in our hearts”

    Definitely don’t want error in our hearts because:

    Rev 22:15 Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.

    The support of Benny Hinn and refutal of Benny Hinn given through postings on this and other blogs shows that different Christs are being followed.

    These opposing sides will never reconcile because they are both trying to be faithful to the Christs they follow.

    Matthew 24:24 …false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive……

    Gal 1:6-7 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel–which is really no gospel at all.
    Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ.

    2 Cor 11:3-4 But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ.
    For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough.

    Gal 1:8-9 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned!
    As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!

    A revival to usher in the antichrist is looming – the unification of the worlds religions and cultures under an authority masquerading as Jesus Christ, but actually Lucifer.

    You will know it is Lucifer, because he will approve things that Bible counsel opposes (in literal interpretation).

    Rev 13:16-17 He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.

    Satan’s opening line to humans was “Did God really say…..” (Gen 3:1)

    He will try it again.

    He already is doing it through misleading sermons preached from pulpits and perverted sexuality (homosexuality and “remarriages”) being condoned in “Christian” fellowships.

    Someone has to help the antichrist establish his reign, he needs traitors within “Christian” churches to do this (this is how Bible prophecy is fulfilled).

    At least make sure it is not you.

    Have you opposed falsehood recently?

    There is plenty of it around, and we prove ourselves authentic by promoting truth, which includes opposing falsehood.

    You will need to prove yourself as authentic to be listed in The book of life, because God will not permit falsehood in heaven.

    For example, anyone who can’t discern Toronto “Blessing” type activity as evil is in a state of deception.

    In that state they may be unsuitable to be giving spiritual counsel on many topics.

    I accepted Toronto “Blessing” as OK for about 10 years.

    Thankfully, various events, including a family upset (marriage separation) prompted a rethink, and the change was a welcome relief.

    The Bible makes much more consistent sense to me after the change in thinking.

    Romans 12:2 Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is–his good, pleasing and perfect will.

    Vibrating in unison with “the dark Lord” is not good for your health.

    The Bible warns against playing with familiar spirits and wizardry, which is what Toronto “Blessing” type ministry is:

    Leviticus 19:31 Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the LORD your God.
    Leviticus 20:27 A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them. (KJV)

    Charismatic/Pentecostal churches have been playing with witchcraft for years.

    The Roman Catholic church has been playing with it for hundreds of years through mystical ministry, Mariology, etc.

    Jude 1:4 For certain men whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are godless men, who change the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.

    They deny the true Jesus Christ by promoting a false Christ through misleading teachings.

    That is a cunning way to deny Jesus Christ, and precisely what Benny Hinn and similar are doing.

    They still promote the name “Jesus Christ”, but they teach you to follow an imposter.

    The antichrist is an imposter who takes the name “Jesus Christ”.

    Pay more attention to which Christ is being promoted in church sermons, spiritual ministry that is being practiced, and the way that “Christians” are living.

    Charismatic/Pentecostalism taught that the name “Jesus Christ” is a powerful device to ward of evil and invoke miracles.

    The seven sons of Sceva tried this, and it didn’t work – demons attacked them – see Acts 19:13-20

    (I am still persuading my sons to burn their collections of Harry Potter books, which my wife introduced by reading the very first one to the 2 older sons. They all got a big thrill at the time from the story, just like people everywhere are getting a big thrill from the vampire “New Moon” films. Lucifer is tickling people within “Christian” churches. This is not good.)

    As with the seven sons of Sceva, if you are following a false Christ, then the demons might attack you too.

    Possibly this explains some cause of my family upset and my wife renouncing her marriage vows.

    We were both following false Christs at the time, or aspects of false christs, through believing wrong teaching and condoning false ministry.

    Over time I have had a cleanout of false beliefs through circumstances that prompted a rethink and to read the Bible all over again.

    I now read it continuously on a program to cover all of it, as being the only safeguard to survive through difficult and deceiving times.

    2 Tim 3:16-4:5 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
    In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you this charge: Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage–with great patience and careful instruction. For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry.

  278. David says:

    @ Seeker3k, …AMEN!

  279. ruthsongs says:

    @ David – that is my major concern, too. The false teachings are lulling Christians into unpreparedness. I am concerned that those eating this “junk food” will be so taken aback by hard times that they will be shipwrecked.

  280. David says:

    @ Ruthsongs, while almost everyone universally applies the following scriptures to homosexuals, they also applied to the church in Rome to whom the Apostle Paul was writing to. The last days we are living in are modelled on the Roman lifestyle of the 1st century! From politics to social structures and laws to the military to religion. So, the following scriptures especially apply to the charismatic movement and all the various organizations such as WoF, NAR, Dominionism and so on. Also, you’ll notice that I don’t put the individual verses among the quotes. This is because the original letters or scrolls never had “verses”.

    “For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts unto uncleanness, that their bodies should be dishonored among themselves:Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen” Romans 1: 18 – 25 KJV

    OK, now let’s look at those verses. Why is the wrath of God revealed against preachers like Benny Hinn, Paula White, and Todd Bentley and all the others? Because they hold the truth in unrighteousness!! That applies to ALL Christians no matter what denomination!

    From there the Apostle Paul points out that God has showed them His enternal power and Godhead “so that they are without excuse”.

    This is a very important verse and must be understood that it was written to those whom the Apostle Paul had already converted – the Christians in Rome. He explains that:

    (1) those he’s writing about were not thankful and after knowing God refused to acknowledge or glorify Him as God!

    (2) They changed the image of God like into man, animals, creeping things (insects and serpents), yet there is only one “image” of God – Jesus – and the Apostle Paul states this clearly in Collosians 1:15!

    (3) God gave them up to their OWN LUSTS!! I’ll repeat that. GOD gave them up to their own lusts!! You can see this in the Charismatic movement, and the very subject of this thread regarding Benny Hinn and Paula White!

    (4) Here’s the very important and very relevant part – why? Because they changed the Truth of God INTO A LIE!! They worshipped and served the creature more than the creator! Take a look at all the “partners” and followers of these false prophets and false apostles!! They worship and serve Benny Hinn, The Pope, Paula White, Todd Bentley, and all the others – but not God!

    These people may claim to love God, but in their works and actions they deny Him, and worship and serve Benny Hinn or whoever their preferred false prophet is. I don’t pray for those people because we are instructed by the scriptures NOT to!!

    “If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.” II John 1: 10 & 11 KJV

  281. Dorothy says:

    I haven’t read all the statements here but I’d like to say that we need to be very careful about stating that all the Holy Spirit movement is of the devil. Isn’t that the unpardonable sin to speak against the Holy Spirit? All the criticism sounds very much like the religious people of Jesus’ day. They didn’t accept Him as God’s Son or from God. They also attributed what He did as from the devil. Didn’t Jesus say that the works that I do shall you do also and greater works than these shall you do because I go to the Father? Didn’t He also say in Mark that these signs shall follow those that believe? They’ll heal the sick, cast out devils, etc. I don’t know all the truth about Benny Hinn and Paula White. Didn’t they both say they made a mistake and asked for forgiveness? Aren’t we supposed to forgive in order that we be forgiven? If we forgive as God forgives, aren’t we supposed to let it go and it’s the same as if the sin or mistake or whatever it was was never done? God burys it in the sea of His forgetfulness never to be remembered against us forever. It’s as far as the east is from the west. I have been quite involved with listening and reading and studying the teachings of those active in desiring to see God’s Kingdom come and His will be done on earth as it is in Heaven, which is their prayer and overwhelming desire. I haven’t heard or read any of them say that everything they do is perfect and as it has to be. I hear and read that they’re all still learning and sometimes learn by mistakes. I honestly don’t know much about Paula White and I don’t usually listen to her, but from what I’ve heard about the Toronto Blessing, I think you need to be careful in your criticism, even tho you don’t see it in the way that some others do. Do you know that the couple who started Iris Ministries and I can’t think of the gal’s name right now, but God pinned her to the floor for I think it was 7 days during that Toronto Blessing. She couldn’t get up. During that time He asked her if she wanted Mozambique. She’d been ministering there for several years with very little to show for it. She told Him yes and He gave it to her. When she went back, with God’s blessing on her life and the help of the Holy Spirit, she has started over 7,000 churches there! She has 2 or 3 orphanages where she feeds thousands. The orphans have learned how to listen and obey the Holy Spirit and they heal the sick, as she does. They have tremendous miracles there on about an every day basis. Sometimes God multiplies the food when they don’t have enough. The one thing I haven’t heard anyone on here mention is that to really get involved and be a part of the move, a person has to give his or her life totally over to God and spend time with Him and His Word. It has to be a personal walk, giving up all preconceived ideas or teachings and just read the Word with an open heart and mind.
    I was raised from infancy in a Christian home where we had family worship with the Word and prayer every morning before breakfast. We were faithful church goers and did our best to live as we were taught. I was back and forth to the altar countless times, even tho I was trying hard to live a life pleasing to God. I just couldn’t be perfect and actually about all that life amounted to was all the do’s and don’ts. I struggled when I saw professing Christians who didn’t have to do all the things we had to do, as far as dress, where we could and couldn’t go, etc. I conflicted about whether they were going to Heaven, as I thot I had to do all those things to get to heaven. I also wondered about Jesus casting out so many demons and why there didn’t seem to be any in modern times. I thot maybe Psychology had taken care of that but then I knew Jesus knew everything so that didn’t work. I also wondered why when people were prayed for for healing that we never saw any miracles when that seemed to be a large part of Jesus’ ministry.
    I got to the point in my life when close to 40 yrs. young that what I had wasn’t enough to handle my problems and I told God there had to be more, as if there wasn’t, I didn’t want to live. The scripture came to me, “Blessed are those who hunger and thirst after righteousness, for they shall be filled.” I told Him I was counting on that and I began to dig on my own. It culminated in my getting down beside my bed one day and telling God to take it all and use me if He could. I totally turned loose on the inside. When I got up, I asked what I should do and it came right back to get my Bible out and read it. I had left it in the cupboard for quite some time, as it had always been just a story book and law book to me. When I started reading in Matthew, it was a totally different book!!!!!!!!!! It was alive and I felt like I was living the story with Jesus. I fell totally in love with Him and His Love poured from the pages and totally overwhelmed me. The tears poured as I read and I just couldn’t get enough. I saw the Word in a totally different light and I understood what Jesus did for us and how it included our physical healing. It all came to me on my own from the Word. I erroneously thot God was showing me something special, that I was special to Him, as I knew of no one else who believed it. Kathryn Kuhlman was one of the first persons I heard about who believed what God had shown me. I went to several of her services with my daughter who’s diagnosed with Cerebral Palsy and mental handicap. You can’t tell me the Holy Spirit wasn’t in those meetings. I know she was “different” and I didn’t know what to think the first time I saw her, but experiencing the meetings was an unforgettable experience.
    The way God is moving today is not something a person can understand unless he or she has experienced a personal encounter with God. Looking on from the outside doesn’t get it. Judging from the usual teachings of most churches, leaves a person without understanding. I don’t know if you are familiar with Myles Monroe but he’s written some great books on what a kingdom is like, comparing how he grew up in a kingdom with God’s Kingdom and it’s exciting. He’s written a book on women and their role as God sees it in His Kingdom. That might be helpful for you to understand that subject. Some of you mentioned about what terrible shape people would be in in these uncertain days that are here and may get worse. I look at it totallly differently. If the government takes away the insurance of the elderly and handicapped or those with serious diseases and offers them hospice, as I’ve read and heard, I think how great it is that so many are learning how to heal the sick so we won’t even need the government’s insurance! That will really be frustrating, as I understand they want to cut down on the population and are wanting inheritance money.
    Sorry this is so long.
    In His Love,
    Dorothy

  282. Dorothy says:

    Hi, I read Seeker’s comments after writing the above and would just like to comment a bit. What gives you the belief that the miracles, etc. that are taking place today are of the devil? You quote scripture but you don’t say what gives you the idea that what is happening in the current movement goes along with those scriptures, proving it’s all of the devil. Have you considered that originally God created us in His image and we were to live supernatural lives, as He’s a supernatural being? We were to care for the earth and subdue it. Have you considered that the devil stole our rights and has used wizardry, etc. as counterfeits of what we are supposed to have and be using. Just because miracles are happening, why do you attribute them to the devil? Couldn’t it be that some are taking back from the devil what doesn’t belong to him. Bill Johnson tells the story of someone going into a coffee shop before a service at their church in Redding, CA. The person saw a man levitating a spoon at a table so the person went over and asked if he’d like to see some real power and he said yes so he or she took him to church. He stayed in the back of the church and was levitating back there, scaring some of the people, but the Holy Spirit got ahold of him and stuck him to the floor, so he couldn’t move for the rest of the service. He had to admit there was real power there. I don’t remember if he accepted Christ at that time or not. Miracles happened in the Old Testament days. What about parting the Red Sea, what about marching around Jericho for 7 days and blowing trumpets and walls fell down. What about all the things that happened to the Egyptians until they’d let the Israelites go? There’s tremendous miracles all thru the Bible. Jesus was the master at it and yet you seem to think if we, who are supposed to have Jesus in us and we in Him, are to be powerless. Why shouldn’t we be having them the same today? The Bible doesn’t say we’re not supposed to. It says just the opposite. You criticize using Jesus’ name and yet He said to ask anything in His Name and He’d do it. Have you thot about the people trying to make it illegal for the military chaplains to pray in Jesus’ name? The devil knows that our prayers are powerless without His name. We only have access to God thru His Name. He’s our righteousness. We can’t approach God without Him and His name.
    Why do you say the movements the people make or do during worship is of the devil? David danced before the Lord, naked. I’m not advocating that or anything else. All of that movement is quite new to me but I can’t say it’s of the devil just because it’s different to what’s gone on at church in the past. Who’s to say what is the right way to worship? The Bible doesn’t say how churches have worshiped in the past is the only way. We don’t know that that’s how Paul and the people worshiped way back there. I understand that the Corinthians still had a lot of sin in their midst and Paul was trying to help them with it. It appears you’re applying a lot of scripture to make it sound like the traditional church is the only way, when the traditional church didn’t exist in the New Testament times.
    I never heard that the Harry Potter books or the others you mentioned are considered good material for the followers of Jesus. In fact it’s just the opposite so I don’t know who you are listening to. I know very little about them, as I heard they are demonic. I’m sorry you and your wife have had problems. The devil tries to use anything he can to break up famillies. That doesn’t mean the beliefs were of the devil. It’s just that he was able to use them, just like he used scripture to try and defeat Jesus. Just some food for thought.
    Dorothy

  283. Dorothy says:

    Those seven sons of Sceva were not followers of Christ. They were sinners and saw what using the name of Jesus could do so they tried to use it. That didn’t work with the demons, as they knew Jesus and also Paul. They were familiar with the power in Christ and they knew those guys didn’t have it, as they were sinners and not followers of Jesus. That power is thru the Holy Spirit and a person has to accept Him to have that power and the right to use the Name. Demons recognize Jesus in someone, just like that girl with the demon who followed Paul disrupting his teaching.
    Dorothy

  284. Carolyn says:

    seeker3k, good word from the heart, good Word of encouragement!

  285. Ruitje says:

    @Seeker3k, thanks for your comment that is very clear.

  286. ian vincent says:

    RE:

    “See Lee Grady’s column: Christian Tv’s All Time Worst Fundraising Gimmicks

    These are classic TBN wiles…. and most pastors go along with all, TBN pastors that is.”
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    .
    This is a little off-topic, but Lee Grady, if he’s going to write such things, should SPELL IT OUT CLEARLY that he and and his employer, Charisma magazine, have made their personal fortunes out of peddling the exact false prophets they are now exposing : BUT THEY VERY SHREWDLY DON’T NAME NAMES. Clever.

    You merchandisers, don’t think that the LORD Jesus Christ is not angry with your hypocrisy. CONFESS!!!! YOU are the ones who helped nearly every false prophet get into your industry and to get rich.

    Admit it. That would be a start.

    http://ianvincent.wordpress.com/

  287. Grant says:

    I’m going for 300 comments!

  288. Grant says:

    As noted in the new Lee Grady article, get ready for the Fall telethons and the various appeals guys like Steve Munsey snd Mike Murdock will be making. I’m sure there will be some creative doosies coming!

  289. Grant says:

    The person who hits the 300th comment should get a chocolate milkshake from the establishment of their choice at their own expense

  290. ice says:

    Focus on Jesus not on Benny hinn

  291. IWTT says:

    BUT THEY VERY SHREWDLY DON’T NAME NAMES. Clever.

    Personally, I think that’s because he went after the Rick Joyner/Todd Bentley in past articles and if I remember right he was chastised for it a bit, he has backed off from naming names. I think he might have been treatened with a lawsuit by the Joyner thing. I have no proof if this but it was after that incident that he stopped giving names and in fact he hadn’t written an article speaking out against some things for a short time afterwards. Remember, he was an honorary member of the NAR, and on the list at one time so he maybe trying to be outspoken enough but keping distance with names.

  292. MargieinOz says:

    Dorothy I understand what you are saying, I used to have the same views but after hearing Todd Bentley claim god told him to kick an old lady in the face with his biker boot, I finally knew something was very wrong with my understanding of the gospel of Jesus Christ. My christian friends were raving about this monster. That was just over two years ago and after much searching, praying and just trusting the Word I have finally been set free from the teachings of these savage wolves who are ravaging the church. Justin Peters has a wonderful DVD teaching “A Call for Discernment” which exposes these false profit$. Some of the article copied below is on this DVD so you can see it is their actual conversation. Justin also uses a very good example of a glass of water being great for a thirst, however just a very tiny drop of poison would render us very ill indeed. The heretics are just like that, they speak a lot of truth but their leaven ruins their whole ministry and leads their followers to eternal separation from God.
    Can I encourage you to do some research on C Peter Wagner, New Apostoic Reformation and their apostles and profit$, Manifest Sons of God, Elijah List, Kansas City Prophets, and you will see how they are all tied together with their false doctrine.
    People you have mentioned were involved in the Commissioning Service of Todd Bentley – John Arnot (Toronto Blessing), Bill Johnson, Che Ahn, Rick Joyner etc. Todd Bentley was eventually exposed for being an adulterer, liar, thief and drunkard!!! Yet these men whom you seem to respect lacked even basic discernment and have left many many followers confused and hurt. Had they known the Word of God they would not have even been there.
    I am sure in your studying of the Bible you have read the many warnings to the church (Paul wept over them for 3 years) of wolves that even then were in the church, but in these last days were going to deceive even the elect, if possible. Can you imagine how Paul would deal with these heretics today? Oh for some Pauls in the church today.
    Yes Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever and the gifts of the Holy Spirit are for today but we are called to be discerning and earnestly contending for the faith once delivered to the saints and not to defending the wolves. Please don’t let your defense of these men and women keep you from the truth.
    I will be forever grateful to those who have had the courage to expose these heretics and contributed to sites like this and have helped me to unravel the lies and deception I had believed. Whoever the Son sets free is free indeed.
    http://www.christianresearchservice.com – great site to see some of the videos of the false prophets at work
    from:www.deceptioninthechurch.com: About Myles Munroe (the drop of poison in the water!)
    Myles Munroe teaches that God needs our permission to work on earth. He also teaches that angels need our permission as well to do their jobs.For example, he teaches that God sought Abraham for permission to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah. In their make believe interaction according to Myles Munroe, God told Abraham, “You got it! You’re the man! Once you’re satisfied and give me permission I will act.”This is absurd to think that an Almighty and Sovereign God needs our permission to act in His universe! Think about it my friend, is this not the height of arrogance? What does the bible have to say about the sovereign plan of God and the vain efforts of man that try to subvert it?”And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?” Daniel 4:35, see also Isaiah 43:3, Psalm 115:3, 135:6. Whom will you believe, God or Myles Munroe? Benny Hinn made the following endorsements after these incredibly blasphemous statements by Myles Munroe: “Man! That is absolutely awesome! Dear God!…That’s incredible! That’s incredible! Wow!…Wow! Wow! Wow!…This is so amazing!…Are you getting blessed like I am, dear Jesus.” Myles Munroe: “That’s why angel’s need our permission to function. It says they are here to do our bidding. They can’t even act without our permission, you see. But, here’s the bigger statement: Even God Himself is illegal on earth. Why? Because, He is a spirit and the law He set up by His own mouth was that only spirits with bodies can function on earth legally.”(Myles Munroe, “This Is Your Day,” Benny Hinn, July 12, 2004) “Why can’t God take care of Pharaoh by Himself? Why can’t God invade that government and disrupt that process and set them free by Himself? He is illegal. So God then has to get the attention of a human first. Then spend hours, maybe even days trying to convince this one human to work with Him. Moses came up with every single excuse he could find and gave them. And Almighty God tolerated him, saying, ‘Look, if you can’t talk, I will speak for you. If you got problems, I’ll solve them for you. If you’re afraid, I’ll give you courage. In other words, whatever you need, please work with me! Cause I want to do something. Give me your body.'”(Myles Munroe, “This Is Your Day,” Benny Hinn, July 13, 2004) “So, even though God can do anything, He can only do what you permit Him to do. If you study the Word of God, you will see why it makes so much sense. For example, God has done nothing on earth without a human co-operating with Him. He had to find a human. When God for example wanted to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah…Go ahead and destroy it! No! He [God] was illegal. He had to find a human to give Him access and ageement to release His power. So, then God had to negotiate with a man in Abraham. They argued for a long time!…Abraham figured it out. Abraham said, ‘Ahh, Haa! Okay, so I’ll tell you what! Before I give you permission [Abraham gives God permission!] to touch that city, if I could find 50 men, 40, 30, 10.’ He said, ‘I’m dealing, and God had to deal with a man.’ And he said, ‘If I could only find one.’ God says, ‘You got it! You’re the man! Once you’re satisfied and give me permission I will act.”(Myles Munroe, “This Is Your Day,” Benny Hinn, July 12, 2004) “When you study Moses or any human that has been successful with God, you will find this dependency God has on humanity. God says, ‘Moses, quickly agree with me. Because your brother, your nephew is on the way. We got to get this work done. I need a human to agree.’ As soon as Moses agrees with God, God says, ‘Okay, let’s Go.'”(Myles Munroe, “This Is Your Day,” Benny Hinn, July 13, 2004) “Let me define prayer for you in this show. Prayer is man giving God permission or license to interfere in earth’s affairs. In other words, prayer is earthly license for heavenly interference.”(Myles Munroe, “This Is Your Day,” Benny Hinn, July 12, 2004) “Heaven depends on earth for interference. If He [God] could just find two people like you [Benny Hinn] and I to agree. We agree for God to do this thing. Then God says, ‘Thank you very much for permission!’ Then He [God] can come.”(Myles Munroe, “This Is Your Day,” Benny Hinn, July 13, 2004) “Our prayer is a strange experience. We normally ask God to do things, God is telling us to command Him permission to do it for us.”(Myles Munroe, “This Is Your Day,” Benny Hinn, July 13, 2004) “God could do nothing on earth, nothing has God ever done on earth without a human giving Him access.”(Myles Munroe, “This Is Your Day,” Benny Hinn, July 12, 2004) “He [God] could not name those animals because He [God] is illegal.”(Myles Munroe, “This Is Your Day,” Benny Hinn, July 13, 2004) “O’ Lord, heal this man. God says, ‘No! No! No! Talk to the sickness, I am already healing the guy. What I need is permission to get the healing on earth.'”(Myles Munroe, “This Is Your Day,” Benny Hinn, July 13, 2004) Myles Munroe: “Jesus was necessary for Christ.”Benny Hinn: “Wait! Wait! Wait! Wait! Pastor, slow down. What you mean is.”Myles Munroe: “Jesus made Christ legal on the earth. Jesus was the body.”Benny Hinn: “Has he always been this deep here? It’s amazing what he’s saying. So, So, repeat that.”Myles Munroe: “Christ is God’s Spirit, that’s why Christ needed a body to come to earth legally.”(Myles Munroe, “This Is Your Day,” Benny Hinn, July 13, 2004) “Every sick person is already healed. That’s why you don’t really have to lay hands on a million of people in India to heal them. You don’t have to, they are already healed. What God’s problem is, is getting the healing to earth.”(Myles Munroe, “This Is Your Day,” Benny Hinn, July 13, 2004) “When a human gets healed and becomes well again, God Himself is able to stay here legally longer.”(Myles Munroe, “This Is Your Day,” Benny Hinn, July 13, 2004) “Every spirit is trying to find a body. Can I give you another shocker? [Benny Hinn: You bet!] Even the Holy Spirit, because He cannot function here without a body. That’s why your called the body of Christ. And it says our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit. Cause He Himself needs to be legal to function.”(Myles Munroe, “This Is Your Day,” Benny Hinn, July 13, 2004) “In other words, Moses had to initiate the action for God to produce the product.”(Myles Munroe, “This Is Your Day,” Benny Hinn, July 13, 2004) “God says, ‘If my people,’ now if means, ‘I would like to fix this, but I can’t fix this without a human giving me permission.'”(Myles Munroe, “This Is Your Day,” Benny Hinn, July 13, 2004) “Interfering in earth by God is totally up to us…Heaven is waiting on earth to get things done.”(Myles Munroe, “This Is Your Day,” Benny Hinn, July 13, 2004) “What is faith? Faith is believing in what you said, that God told you. In other words, the fight is to keep believing after you said something.”(Myles Munroe, “This Is Your Day,” Benny Hinn, July 12, 2004) “That’s why your [Benny Hinn] healing ministry is necessary. God could heal people by Himself as a spirit with power. But it’s illegal to do it on earth. So, He needs a human agency. What does laying your hands on a human to do with healing? Well, really nothing. We touch you you all the time but your sick. What He’s looking for is permission! The power to heal is always present, but having permission to heal is held up by humanity and their lack of faith.”(Myles Munroe, “This Is Your Day,” Benny Hinn, July 12, 2004) “God made a promise to Satan, I paraphrase again, I believe God said it this way in my spirit. He said, ‘Satan, you know I can’t come in right now because I’m a spirit. And if I came in now as a spirit I would violate my Word, break my Word, and I would never be able to be trusted again with my Word. But, I’ll make a promise, and the promise is: the same woman that you used to destroy my program on earth for humanity. I’m going to use the same woman and I’m going to put my seed in her womb and she’ll build around me a physical dirt body. And I will become legal in the earth. And then legal, I will then come in legally and crush your authority legally.”(Myles Munroe, “This Is Your Day,” Benny Hinn, July 12, 2004) “Satan himself knew that in order for him to fuction on this earth that he needed a body also. That’s why he had to go to the serpent which had a dirt body and negotiated with the serpent to borrow his body for awhile. And he did, and that’s why God cursed the serpent cause the serpent literally loaned his body to the Adversary, who’s a spirit, in order to do buisness legally with Eve.”(Myles Munroe, “This Is Your Day,” Benny Hinn, July 12, 2004) “It bothered me, I’m sure it bothered you [Benny Hinn] for years as a pastor. If God is so mighty, powerful, awesome, omnipotent, omniscient, why couldn’t this mighty God who made 500 million planets and galaxies couldn’t stop a skinny little woman from picking the fruit and destroying His whole program? I mean, God aren’t you powerful? You could intervene, you can destroy the works of the devil, prevent the woman and save humanity. But He couldn’t! Not that He didn’t, He couldn’t!…”(Myles Munroe, “This Is Your Day,” Benny Hinn, July 12, 2004)
    I would be interested to hear what you think of BH and MM in the light of the above, annointed teacher or heretic?

  293. Carolyn says:

    Hear! Hear! Grant! If I can count correctly, I believe I was number 300. If not, I’m happy with my miscalculation….I think a chocolate shake sounds like my kind of reward! I’m off to indulge myself. See you all later. :-)

  294. David says:

    Dorothy made this statement:

    “Have you considered that originally God created us in His image and we were to live supernatural lives, as He’s a supernatural being?”

    OK, where in the scriptures does it say or teach that we are supposed to live “supernatural lives?” I know that in Kaballah and witchcraft based on Kaballah such as that practised by Eliphas Levi and Aleister Crowley, being “supernatural” and having “supernatural powers” equal to the “tetragrammaton” is taught. Such teachings are also being taught by Benny Hinn and Bernard E. Jordan. But nowhere in the scriptures will you find such a doctrine or teaching! They even do what the devil does, and quote scriptures out of context to support their blaphemous teachings. How many times have we seen Psalm 82:6 and John 10:34 being taken out of context regarding the verse “I said ye are gods”?

    Dorothy also made mention of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. If we had blasphemed the Holy Spirit we would all be very dead – just like Ananias and Saphira in the Book of Acts. Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is attributing the undeniable works and miracles of God to the devil. Show me in the Book of Acts where God “pinned people to the floor for seven days”! That story about the woman in Mozambique can and will be discredited. She suddeny founds 7000 churches huh? Firstly, Jesus himself stated quite clearly:

    “And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake.” Luke 21:17 KJV

    So, if we are hated of all men for the name of Jesus, which we are, suddenly a woman from nowhere miracuously sets up 7000 churches in Mozambique – a Roman Catholic country. What’s even more suspect is the fact that Dorothy “can’t remember her name”. She would be just as famous as Paula White if no more so!! Right thoughout the long replies from Dorothy, she kept speaking of signs and wonders, yet Our Lord and Saviour Jesus clearly stated:

    “But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; ” Matthew 12: 29 KJV

    Dorothy also said: “Hi, I read Seeker’s comments after writing the above and would just like to comment a bit. What gives you the belief that the miracles, etc. that are taking place today are of the devil? You quote scripture but you don’t say what gives you the idea that what is happening in the current movement goes along with those scriptures, proving it’s all of the devil”

    Well, Dorothy, Seeker3k didn’t need any “ideas”, he simply read the scriptures, the written Word of God, and compared what the scriptures say against what is being taught and claimed in all these churches and by their leaders, “prophets” and “apostles”. Here’s something to consider too. Jesus said:

    “And Jesus saith unto him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.” Matthew 8:20 KJV

    So, Jesus had nowhere to live, yet Benny Hinn, Paula White, Todd Bentley, T.J. Jakes, Creflow $$$, and all the others all live in multi-million dollar mansions and teach that this is “the will of God”. Yet jesus taught:

    “Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.” Matthew 6:2 KJV

    “And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.” Matthew 6:5 KJV

    “And I will smite the winter house with the summer house; and the houses of ivory shall perish, and the great houses shall have an end, saith the LORD.” Amos 3:15 KJV

    “Woe unto them that join house to house, that lay field to field, till there be no place, that they may be placed alone in the midst of the earth! In mine ears said the LORD of hosts, Of a truth many houses shall be desolate, even great and fair, without inhabitant” Isiah 5: 8 & 9 KJV

    That’s what will become of all these false prophets and apostles living in their big mansions, as well as all that follow the doctrine of “prosperity” and “dominionism”.

  295. Carolyn says:

    Dorothy, this is all I can say…
    I have walked a mystical life and yet, here I am… believing that the message that I was hearing from these mystical apostles was not the same gospel message taught by the apostles that walked with Christ and risked their lives to spread.
    No one worked harder or read more books or believed harder to follow the teachings of my mystical teachers from my teens to my 40s. And then came the big break from mysticism. My mystical, charismatic house collapsed and there I was looking at it wondering what happened?
    I was not a little bewildered to find that I had no faith anymore in anything. There was one exception. In the midst of all the wreckage, before me stood the Word of God. It was the only thing left intact. So I reached out clasped it to my heart and walked away to build my house on a much different foundation.
    It would take ten years of discerning the difference between mysticism and Truth but now when I speak, I am speaking against works of darkness and against doctrines of demons. These are not works of the Holy Spirit…they are works of the flesh, works of pride, delusions, lying signs and wonders and Anti Christ teachings of a false Dominionist, Globalist Kingdom rising in our midst.
    How I got here? I followed the real Holy Spirit, read the real Word of God and listened to real teaching from ministers who studied to show themselves approved. I tested everything I heard and I humbled myself to hear what the Spirit says.

    Mysticism is legalistic, experience based and man centred.

    Truth is what it is. Christ…freedom, the Word becoming flesh, and God in us, the hope of glory.

    If you will ask for real Truth, it will be given. You may just find yourself entering the straight gate and narrow path that Jesus talked about, and that very few will find.

    Mysticism is another path, another life time ago. My allegiance is to the Truth.
    2 John 1:3-5
    3Grace, mercy and peace from God the Father and from Jesus Christ, the Father’s Son, will be with us in truth and love.
    4It has given me great joy to find some of your children walking in the truth, just as the Father commanded us. 5And now, dear lady, I am not writing you a new command but one we have had from the beginning. I ask that we love one another.

  296. MargieinOz says:

    Dorothy,
    The Benny Hinn videos are on the Benny Hinn Videos Page at http://www.christianresearchservice.com Compiled by Bud Press, Director Christian Research Service. They also cover Kenneth Copeland, Rodney Howard-Brown and Kenneth Hagin. These videos confirmed finally for me what many had been trying share, I just didn’t get it until God TV gave TB his exposure.

  297. seeker3k says:

    I want to be #777 with a box of choccas.

    >> Dorothy 12/8/2010 11:24 pm “What gives you the belief that the miracles, etc. that are taking place today are of the devil?”

    I never stated that.
    You are being a false witness to assert I did.

    >> D 12/8 “Just because miracles are happening, why do you attribute them to the devil?”

    I never stated that.
    You are being a false witness to assert I did.

    >> D 12/8 “Bill Johnson tells the story of someone……….”

    Bill Johnson is a known promoter of occult, he is playing with the father of lies, the devil, so most likely all his stories are just that.

    Stories.
    Fabrications that never happened.
    Lies.
    False witness.

    Dorothy, you are so gullible to believe those stories coming from false teachers.

    Your treatment of the Holy Spirit is a mockery of him for being so loose in its definition.
    You don’t show an ability in discernment between the Holy Spirit and evil spirits.
    You will get in trouble for this.

    Proverbs 15:21 Folly is joy to him who is destitute of discernment (NKJV)

    The devil roams about masquerading as Jesus Christ.
    Think about it Dorothy.
    The Devil can only masquerade something that he isn’t – eg. Jesus Christ.

    If he turns up as the devil then he wouldn’t be masquerading.

    Do you know how to tell the difference between the Holy Spirit and evil spirits?

    2 Cor 11:14-15 …….. Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness…..

    The devil can turn up in a white robe, blonde wig, and blue contact lenses and assert “I’m Jesus, follow me, I have a wonderful plan for your life”.

    You can only discern the devil by comparing what he says with what the Bible says.

    If you don’t know the Bible very well then you can be easily deceived.

    Jesus Christ refuted the Devil with scripture: “It is written……”
    We should do the same.
    If we don’t know what is written then we will be inneffective.

    >> you seem to think if we, who are supposed to have Jesus in us and we in Him, are to be powerless.

    I never stated that.
    You are being a false witness to assert I did.

    Also, we don’t “have Jesus in us”, that is the false “we are gods” heresy.
    We are Jesus’ disciples.

    Dorothy, stop promoting heresy.

    >> You criticize using Jesus’ name

    I never stated that.
    You are being a false witness to assert I did.

    I have distinguished between the true Jesus Christ and false Christs.

    It pays not to use Jesus name in any ministry unless you are correctly reconciled to him in salvation through authentic repentance and following sound doctrine.
    Otherwise use of his name may just invoke demons.

    Dorothy, that is what the bible means by false Christs.

    Ministry done in the name of Jesus, but actually a false Christ because the minister is following unbiblical teaching.

    The doctrines you believe define the Jesus you are following and this explains the warning:

    1 Tim 4:16 Watch your life and doctrine closely. Persevere in them, because if you do, you will save both yourself and your hearers.
    Titus 2:1 You must teach what is in accord with sound doctrine.

    You can’t run around recklessly using Jesus name as a spell to invoke miracles, as then you are attempting to manipulate God and actually practicing witchcraft.

    All ministry must be in accordance with sound doctrine.

    Dorothy your repeating statements of false witness (misquoting me) make you a persistent liar.
    In doing that you are being an effective witness for the father of lies.
    Don’t do it.

    Examine your statements and repost them without all the false witness statements that misquoted me.
    You have written recklessly.

    >> It appears you’re applying a lot of scripture to make it sound like the traditional church is the only way

    Use of the term “traditional church” is yours, I never used it, so again you are just misrepresenting what I wrote.

    The correct definition of “the church” is:

    “The collection of individual faithful believers of the true Jesus Christ throughout the ages”.

    Denominations and “church history” are irrelevant against the fact we will face God alone on judgement day to give account, and the standard will be what is written in the Bible, Genesis to Revelation.
    Better get busy reading and comprehending it now.

    >> I never heard that the Harry Potter books or the others you mentioned are considered good material for the followers of Jesus. In fact it’s just the opposite so I don’t know who you are listening to.

    Dorothy, you are a persistent false witness.
    Maybe there is something wrong with the way your mind is comprehending what is written.

    I never asserted Harry Potter books are good material.
    I asserted they should be burned, clearly implying I believe they are harmful material.

    >> “David danced before the Lord, naked”
    God never wanted David to do this, David was being stupid, just like he was being stupid to later commit adultery and murder.

    The protocol for moving the ark of the covenant never included dancing before it.
    David was probably wandering off in his own imagination, perhaps influenced by contemporary pagan practices of revelry around objects (“they rose up to play”).
    Going about naked in public is always represented as ungodly throughout the Bible.
    What set David apart from others like Saul, was that he was quick to repent of error when confronted by it.

    Being quick to repent was what kept him “a man after God’s own heart”.
    He paid a terrible price for some of his errors.
    Anyone who now excuses their adultery by citing David’s adultery is probably guaranteed to go to the lake of fire because we now have the full counsel of scripture, Genesis to Revelation, as well as the finished works of Jesus Christ, his crucifixion and ressurection.

    King Saul, Benny Hinn, Todd Bently and all other frauds always have excuses when confronted about their errors, and just continue in their way.
    They will be damned for persisting with excuses.

    Repentance from error is always the key to keeping on correct terms with God.
    I had to repent of participating in Toronto “Blessing” type spiritism.

    It was sad to let go of a package of fun experiental methods, but truth required it.
    Life can still be fun without talking gibberish, falling over, writhing like a snake, and laughing at nothing in particular.

    It is humiliating now to admit having participated in such folly (I didn’t do any falling over or writhing, I just stayed amongst it and accepted it as a work of God. I didn’t speak out against it.)

    Eph 5:8-11 For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Live as children of light (for the fruit of the light consists in all goodness, righteousness and truth) and find out what pleases the Lord. Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.

  298. Rene says:

    You know what really is a mind boggle – to see some of those that are attempting to stand in support of Hinn/White and totally ignoring the words that come out of their mouth that have been shown to be untrue – such as the “Patron of the Arts” and supposedly being invited, White’s congregation was told she was on “vacation” yet changes the story after the photos came out then claims she was on “ministry” business thus the reason the trip to Rome. Both websites have comments that were later pulled off after others pointed out the incorrect comments…. it goes on and on.

    ALL of the above because a man who claims to be totally led by the spirit of God – didn’t know what was going on in his own home, “shocked” by papers being filed for divorce against him – – – and giving an invitation to a woman to go with him to Italy where photos were taken of him holding hands with this other woman. I ask those that are coming here to stand in support of Hinn/White to really consider what kind of spirit that they are following and promoting.

    To further add to the mess of stories, I went to one of the links in the other thread and saw a link to a paper in Florida that states that both Hinn and White are STILL under investigation about their use of funds with the IRS. I HOPE that they look into the work of the ministry/vacation/? trip and trace the hard earned monies that were given by those that planted their “seed faith offering”.

  299. Rev's Kate & Rich M. says:

    Wait one minute there, Grant and Ms. Carolyn–a chocolate shake for 300 responses. What have I missed? I’m going out and have myself a banana split and I’m sharing it with my husband. See, I told you guys this subject had a life of its own. Have a good one.
    :) K xxx
    PS- a merry heart does good like a medicine!

  300. cowbelle says:

    I looked up the scripture on David, 2Sa 6:14 And David danced before the LORD with all his might; and David was girded with a linen ephod. I couldn’t find anywhere where it said he danced naked. I hope this helps. David may have taken his clothes off but it says here that he was girded with a linen ephod. He was covered. This is very important, I have heard this before, and wanted to check this out. We must remember that David also repented when he sinned. He turned from that sin also. I don’t think David ever exploited the poor, nor did he extort money from people, as far as I know.
    Also if you read the Gensis account on Abraham, here is part of it Gen 18:30 And he said unto him, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak: Peradventure there shall thirty be found there. And he said, I will not do it, if I find thirty there. It sounds here like Abraham was standing in reverence and in the fear of the Lord, no where does it say that God needed Abrahams permission, what arrogence that these tv preachers would say this. Thanks David and Carolyn for exposing the falsehood. God bless

  301. cowbelle says:

    Amen Carolyn my allegiance is for Truth also. For He is the Spirit of Truth and there is no falsehood in him. Jesus Christ is the Way the Truth and the Life. Psa 139:23 Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts:
    Psa 139:24 And see if there be any wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting. from Cowbelle

  302. David says:

    seeker3k stated: “The correct definition of “the church” is:

    “The collection of individual faithful believers of the true Jesus Christ throughout the ages”.

    Amen to that! That also makes it quite clear why Jesus Himself said:

    “For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.” Matthew 18:10 KJV

    The most important part of that scripture is the gathering together in the Name of Jesus, not Benny Hinn, Bill Johnson, Creflow $$$, Todd Bentley or any of the other false prophets and false apostles. One of the major “recruitment” tools of these false prophets and false apostes as well as those that follow them and tools for controlling and dominating is “come to our church” or “you’ve got to come to see this crusade of Benny Hinn” etc. They twist the teaching of the Apostle Paul regarding the instruction “not forsaking our own assembling together” (Hebrews 10:25 American KJV) and use that scripture to blackmail their followers and to “keep them in line”. This is The Church right here on this blog!

  303. Teresa says:

    @ Dorothy I have been praying for several days since I read your comment.
    1 John 4:1 Dear friends, do not believe everyone who claims to speak by the spirit. You must test them to see if the spirit they have comes from the God. For there are many false prophets in the world. New living translation.

    Dorothy, just think about what I am about to say because I have thought and prayed concerning this matter. The only apostles and prophets that the bible talks about and warn us about are the false prophets, except the 2 end times witness in Revelation. The people in these movements are self-appointed and self -anointed because the bible says that all believers have the same anointing. C Peter Wagner, Paul Cain, Tommy Tenny, Patrica King, Rick Joyner, Bill Harmon, Todd Bentley, Chuck Pierce, Dutch Sheets, Kim Clement, Cindy Jacobs, Stacy Campbell, Bill Johnson, Rolland and Hedi Baker (Iris Ministries) Jane Hansen (Aglow) David Herzog, and many, many more. All these guy’s are self appointed and teach heresy and promote a false gospel. Here is a really good link of current movements in the church. We must test these spirits and manifestations in light of the scriptures.

    http://moriel.org/MorielArchive/index.php/discernment/church-issues/false-prophets/four-current-movements-within-the-church

    Dorothy, my question would be has the NAR/WOF bunch tested the spirits to make sure they are from God. I would like you to really examine this next link closely because there are other religious movements that experience and have the same manifestations as the Charismatic movement that have no scriptural basis. My rule of thumb is this; If I can not find anything they are saying and doing in the bible, then it is not from God. Here is that link

    http://www.bible.ca/tongues-kundalini-shakers-charismastics.htm

    God Bless you Dorothy.

  304. Carolyn says:

    Rev’s Kate… I am still chuckling. Hope you enjoyed your banana split. I’m jealous.

    Cowbelle, Thanks for quoting, properly, that scripture about David dancing before the Lord…It is a great relief to know that David did not dance before the Lord naked. :-) How quickly we can distort truth if we don’t go back to the Word for verification. I mean it, thanks!

  305. cowbelle says:

    Thank you for you comments seeker, we also watched this stuff in the early 90s on tv, before these deceptive preachers got on TBN, there seemed to be some checks and balances on there, but it went terrible after that, I couldn’t believe all the deception that happened. I am so thankful for my friend in seattle that alerted me to benny hinn, she told me outright that he wasn’t right. She herself had been involved in hypnotism, she said he was doing the very same thing. She was a registered nurse and I respected her. I stopped watching him. He came across so convincing, for some reason I wanted his acceptance to believe he really cared. How can anyone like that who gets on tv actually care about people they don’t see in real life. The truth is they don’t. Too quickly the focus gets off what they are there in the first place and the focus gets on making money.

  306. Carolyn says:

    Cowbelle, I can’t even remember who said that in the above comments, about David dancing before the Lord naked. At the time, I didn’t think it was right and I put it on the back burner to look up later…but never did.
    I think it is one of those charismatic fallacies that gets stated and then passed down from mouth to mouth as a “truth”. Sort of like some of the other fallacies that we’ve been brainwashed with and still haven’t had time to compare with the actual written word.
    God knew we would need a record of absolute truth…otherwise wow! Like today’s shifting truth, we would be flying about the heavenlies experiencing the truth as a continuously shifting pictorial.
    As God does not change, so his Word does not change. Our faith is not built on the shifting sands of subjective opinions and dogmas handed down from the exuberent personalities who keep us entertained by their wild tales of angelic encounters and mystical visions.
    James 1:16-18
    16Don’t be deceived, my dear brothers. 17Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows. 18He chose to give us birth through the word of truth, that we might be a kind of firstfruits of all he created.

  307. cowbelle says:

    Wanted to mention something about Paul, in the first chapter of Romans, Paul is very focused on maintaining truth. His focus throughout his writings was one thing Jesus Christ and him crucified. 1Co 2:2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified. 1Co 2:3 And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling.
    1Co 2:4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man’s wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:
    1Co 2:5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
    1Co 2:6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
    This never about proclaiming anyones ministry, it is horrible when they name their own names in ministry. This isn’t their ministry, it belongs to Christ only. They toot their own horns, Paul never asked for money. He was so in reverence and fear of the Lord he made his own money. What ever was given to him he gave back away. Like they are saying in these posts, test the spirits, be careful, if they ask for money all the time, speak about money, and their priorities is money, then flee from them, because where their treasure is that is where there heart is. Jesus Christ said to store your treasures in heaven, not on earth. Mat 6:19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:
    Mat 6:20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:
    Mat 6:21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
    Those greedy preachers need to repent and turn from what they are doing. What a testimony it would be if one of them did, and put Christ first in their life, and renounced their false teachings. Lets continue to pray that they will. These posts are sure blessing and encouraging in here. Thanks to you all.

  308. Denise says:

    Actually David “where two or three are gathered in My name” is not a definition of “church”. Matt. 18 is talking about church discipline of an unrepentant church member within the assembly. “Church” is “ecclessia”, or the called-out ones which assemble together. 2Cor. 6 talks about this—being called out from the world and being separate from it (a letter written to the church at Corinth). The assembly in Acts 7:38 was a group of people called out of Egypt to assemble together under the leadership of specific men like Moses and then Joshua.

    A church is defined in Scripture as being in a place (assembly), under the leadership of elders/pastors, deacons, and where the doctrine of Scripture is being taught, corporate worship in singing songs, church discipline is carried out, true fellowship based on Truth and Agape is happening, ministry of one’s spiritual gifts, the Lord’s Table, and baptisms of new believers, are going on. This doesn’t happen on the internet.

    Heb. 13: 7 Remember your leaders, who spoke the word of God to you. Consider the outcome of their way of life and imitate their faith. 8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.

    Heb. 13: 17 Obey your leaders and submit to their authority. They keep watch over you as men who must give an account. Obey them so that their work will be a joy, not a burden, for that would be of no advantage to you.

    Tit 1:5 This is why I left you in Crete, so that you might put what remained into order, and appoint elders in every town as I directed you– [Paul goes on to give a list of requirements of elders and deacons].

    1Co 5:11 But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler–not even to eat with such a one. 12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? 13 God judges those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.” [1 Cor. 14 also talks about the ORDER that is to be in the assembly---no chaos, no women teaching men, etc.]

    1Pe 5:1 So I exhort the elders among you, as a fellow elder and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, as well as a partaker in the glory that is going to be revealed: 1Pe 5:2 shepherd the flock of God that is among you, exercising oversight, not under compulsion, but willingly, as God would have you; not for shameful gain, but eagerly;1Pe 5:3 not domineering over those in your charge, but being examples to the flock.

    1Th 5:12 We ask you, brothers, to respect those who labor among you and are over you in the Lord and admonish you, 13 and to esteem them very highly in love because of their work. Be at peace among yourselves.

    Dr. James White says correctly says: [regarding Shepherding as in 1Peter 5:1-3]

    Quote:
    it cannot be done without a relationship of some kind that involves real life. Obviously, this involved teaching and exhortation and discipline on the part of the elder. He is to be an example. You cannot be an example from a distance. You cannot be an example through a television screen or through the pages of a book. Modeling Christian maturity takes contact, exposure, and a reciprocal relationship that involves at least some kind of personal, communal, corporate context…
    …the activities of the elders and the form of the church itself requires one to see the necessity of commitment to a particular fellowship identifiable by a particular group of elders. And if these texts were not enough, surely this command to all obedient Christians should be:

    Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they keep watch over your souls as those who will give an account. Let them do this with joy and not with grief, for this would be unprofitable for you (Hebrews 13:17).

    Here the Christian duty of obedience and submission, coupled with a need to make this work on the part of the elders of the congregation one of joy rather than grief, is enjoined upon all. This is not a command to servility, nor does it grant to Christian leaders despotic powers. But it does require believers to know who their leaders are. It is empty to say, “Jesus is my leader!” for the writer to the Hebrews did not say your “Leader” but your “leaders,” plural, and he would distinguish between them and the Great Shepherd only a few lines later (13:20). Nor does it do to claim to be in obedience and submission to men who do not see your face but once or twice a year. How can they give an account when they have no meaningful knowledge of your life, your Christian experience, your growth in godliness? How can they do so when you never attend upon their teaching or encounter them in the congregation?”

    End quote.

  309. David says:

    Wow! Can you feel the love in the reply from Denise! Of course Denise has shown who she’s behind and what spirit she has by firstly using a world associated with worldly wealth, worldly greed and worldly power – “Corporate”. Of course, no such teaching word or doctrine exists in the scriptures or was used or taught by the Apostles or Jesus. I don’t see any refence in the scriptures to “corporate worship in singing songs”.

    Secondly, Denise quotes someone outside of scripture, and uses a man, Dr. James White, whoever he is, to suppport her attack. Of course the devil also knows scripture!

    Many of the contributors of us who contribute to this blog have been hurt so badly by this same attitude, and yet devil, you think you can come here for a second mauling?? Accordng as it written: “… Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.”
    Matthew 16:23 KJV

    So, Denise knows better than God, and tries to make Jesus a liar! It is God who is doing a work here according to His Will, contending for the faith.. The power of these false christs and false apostles lies in the fact that they need to control their followers as “lords”. If they can’t blackmail their congregation into attending, they lose their tithes and all that money! It is Jesus who is the head of the true Church, and Jesus who knows all of His Sheep and Jesus who loves his sheep!! BTW Denise, there are not one, but two fully qualified and liscensed Pastors already here!! We may be spread around different pastures, and perhaps the internet is a new technology, but The Spirit of The Lord remains the same!

    “For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. For the body is not one member, but many. If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling? But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him. But now are they many members, yet but one body. And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you. Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary: And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness. For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked. That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another. And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it. Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.” I Corinthians 12: 12 – 27 KJV

    “Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.” Ephesians 2: 19 – 22 KJV

    Thus saith the Word of the LORD, not Dr. James White! I will also put you in rememberence of this:

    “God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; Neither is worshipped with men’s hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.” Acts 17: 24 – 28 KJV

    The Devil took exception to the statement regarding the use by false prophets and false apostles the verse from Hebrews as a means of blackmailing their followers in tithing, therefore maintaining their financially extravagent lifestyles by slaughtering God’s sheep! This is no false accusation on my part, go see for yourselves:

    http://cccinfo.org/pages/page.asp?page_id=78121

    “Find a Local Church home – Become a member

    Committing to your local church is so important to your personal spiritual growth. Although churches vary on what it means to be a “Member,” it is true for all, that church Members need each other. Gathering together on a regular basis is a tremendous help to those, who come together corporately to worship, fellowship, study, give, and get involved to serve the needs of others. Again, the Bible admonishes us to “not forsake the assembling together of the saints” (Hebrews 10:25).”

    The Apostle Peter gave us this warning:

    “Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.” I Peter 5: 8 & 9 KJV

    • Chrystal says:

      David,

      Denise is a veteran poster here and someone I highly respect. She never said she knew more than God, and I have never known her to try to “make Jesus a liar,” which is a false accusation.

      Perhaps you should temper your posts with a little more charity.

      You and Denise disagree. Okay. But any more posts like the one above and I won’t approve them.

      And by the way… Dr. James White is a very credible voice in the church. That’s why she quoted him.

  310. Teresa says:

    Thank you Chrystal for clearing that up. Dr. James White is someone who I highly respect also. Thank again.

  311. Carolyn says:

    Remember how I said that being together with other Christians is like being in a giant rock tumbler…and we get smoother as we tumble? Well here’s an example. And I’m not taking sides…I think Denise is totally scriptural and right and I think David (minus some name calling) is scripturally right. Keep in mind Christ’s command…love one another!
    For myself, I am unable (not unwilling) to attend a church “assembly” so if it wasn’t for the internet believers and ministries, I would be quite alone.
    I believe that it is “ideal” for a local church assembly to be active and visible in a community. Absolutely!
    I also believe that it is necessary for the internet to minister to those who are not in the visible, local church assembly and who are being devoured by the wolves be it the emergent wolves or the dominionist wolves, or who have been driven out of their local assemblies by the purpose driven wolves and the NAR wolves who have secretly come in and taken over entire congregations…and it is happening faster than we can keep up with.
    Whether it is lack of discernment, a failure to speak up against these wolves, a desire to be liked by everyone, or a compromise with evil on the part of the local pastors who have allowed the wolves to take over their flocks, it is nevertheless happening.
    And so, we must come out and be separate…as the Church of Jesus Christ, in whichever way we can so that we are obedient to Christ.
    Starting with Billy Graham who compromised with the Catholic Church and ecumenism many years ago, and the churches who invited the Purpose Driven into their midst without discernment, and more recently, the infiltration Emergents, New Agers and Dominionists who are bringing in more apostasy that the local church is prepared to deal with….we, as Christians, have been on the ride of our lives.
    Christ is coming back to take back the sheep who are looking for him. He is the only one that can rescue his sheep out of the mouth of these wolves.
    The most important thing to me about the Church of Jesus Christ, is that we love one another. I love you both…Denise and David. We are all still in the fire, to get rid of the dross (our own wretched man) so that Christ alone may shine forth.
    We are not right….He is right. He is not on our side. We are on His side!
    Love you all…all those who post on this site…
    1 John 4:6-8 (New International Version)
    6We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit[a] of truth and the spirit of falsehood.
    God’s Love and Ours
    7Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. 8Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.

  312. David says:

    If this is true, then Paula White must really be desperate.

  313. seeker3k says:

    “Is It Through the Blood of Our Redeemer Jesus Christ or the Lifeblood of the Local Church That We Have Spiritual Life?” See Chapter 5 of “In the Name of Purpose” by Tamara Hartzell

    This replies to the argument that all Christians should be in a “local church” “under the covering” of “pastors” and “elders”.

    =====================

    >> Carolyn 15/8/10 12:14pm “It is a great relief to know that David did not dance before the Lord naked”

    It is amazing how a false rumour has become a general church teaching in some circles: “David danced naked”.

    I am corrected on the naked part, but I suggest caution about his “dancing before the Lord” part.

    In the context of the situation, David was also dancing before the ark of the covenant, which isn’t appropriate, it wasn’t a specified protocol and is too close to idolatry of an object.

    That is what pagans do, and I am suggesting caution against the assumption that David was acting properly in that situation. I think David was overreacting from having been freaked out when another was killed for touching the ark.

    2 Sam 6:7 The LORD’S anger burned against Uzzah because of his irreverent act; therefore God struck him down and he died there beside the ark of God.

    2 Sam 6:9 David was afraid of the LORD that day and said, “How can the ark of the LORD ever come to me?”

    There is no need to compensate this with dancing and a big fanfare.

    God primarily just wants people to follow his counsel and live rightly.

    What I see is “christians” justifying partying and adultery “because David did it and he was a man after God’s own heart”.

    I am interpreting the dancing scenario in the context of the rest of the Bible and discouraging it being used to justify “rising up to play”, as per the voodoo sessions that Rick Joyner practices to invoke familiar spirits.

    Rick Joyner has affirmed the adultery of Todd Bentley to continue in “remarriage” to Jessa Hasbrook.

    Todd Bentley = adultery and familiar spirits.
    Benny Hinn = adultery and familiar spirits.

  314. Carolyn says:

    Seeker3k, oh so you were the one that said that :-)
    Not a problem. This can be a lesson for us all…
    You know, I looked up a few different sites that had commentaries on this passage. There is the school of thought that you are suggesting.
    And there is also the school of thought that suggests this about David:
    He now humbled himself…he did things right this time.
    Instead of using a cart, he had the priests carry the ark in the prescribed way
    Further, he saw that the place that the ark had come to rest had been blessed and he wanted that blessing in Jerusalem
    He also humbled himself by laying aside his kingly garments and instead put on an ephod (a robe that was worn by the priests)
    Then he danced before the Lord in celebration, which was quite customary in the culture of the time…(but not for kings)…Miriam danced before the Lord in celebration.
    Which disgusted his wife Michal who thought that David had degraded himself with this undignified show of exuberance and hence caused her to miss the whole point of the exercise
    David had felt that it was an act of worship and he was surprised at her reproach

    So, although I can see the point of both schools of thought, I personally would lean toward the second interpretation because the Bible makes the point that David’s heart was totally devoted to God, even though he did make some serious mistakes.
    1 Kings 11:4
    As Solomon grew old, his wives turned his heart after other gods, and his heart was not fully devoted to the LORD his God, as the heart of David his father had been.
    and this Scripture which tells us that God already knew his heart
    Acts 13:22
    And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave their testimony, and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will.

  315. Michael j says:

    Hello Christal, Churches can be very frightning places for lots of people ,in my life JESUS has held my hand when I have fallen, only his LOVE is so amazing he helps me everyday , I have a personal walk with him ,with love on an indivdual basis, Just like Phillip and the Enuich , one on one,I wish everyone would come to know him, I don,t go to church I have a few very wonderful friends who love the Lord, as David says were 2 or more are gathered I JESUS am in the mist. The Lord said, Well Hath Esais Prophesied of you Hyprocrites as it is written, this people honoureth me with their lips but there heart is far from me.
    How beit in Vain do they worship me,Teaching the commandments of men.
    This Blog is one way the LORD is using for his people to be in touch.
    How do I know the Church to go to is of GOD, for me,it is to wait on Lord to tell me and it will be full of the LORDS spirit which is LOVE.

  316. seeker3k says:

    >> Carolyn 16/8/10 3:08pm “Seeker3k, oh so you were the one that said that :-)”

    No, it was actually Dorothy (12/8/10 11:24 pm) who started that rumour on this blog thread.
    I initially went along with the rumour (didn’t check the Bible first) only to assert that naked dancing is inappropriate. If David was doing it then that is no reason for others to do the same.
    The life of David should be discerned for the good parts and the bad parts, it has been written for us to learn from to follow the good parts and avoid the bad parts.
    The adultery and murder should be avoided.
    It isn’t about dancing, it is about careful discernment and not being enticed or deceived to participate in improper acts.

  317. seeker3k says:

    Benny, Kathryn, Adultery, “Remarriage” and spirit guides
    ============================================

    Just last week I sent a message to my mother.
    I believed it so important that I sent it by 3 methods.
    I texted it, emailed it, then posted a printed copy:

    ===========================================
    >> “Come Holy Spirit”.

    (The text you sent me this morning).
    It is improper for you to address the Holy Spirit directly.
    The Holy Spirit is the helper sent by God, and we are not permitted to address him directly.
    If you try to, then the disobedience can allow a lying spirit to contact you.

    You seem to be following a false christ called “PosiJesus” who is positive about everything.
    God is not positive, he is truth, and the reason why there will be judgement day and many (most) being sent to Hell:

    Matthew 7:13-14 “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

    You will spend eternity with the Jesus you follow, and PosiJesus will be in Hell because he is a devillish fraud.
    The Bible fully backs up what I have just stated, so read it again without the PosiJesus beliefs.

    Start following the true Jesus Christ, or you will be in trouble forever.

    Hebrews 9:27 Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment,
    ===========================================

    [Don’t stress if you think my message is abrupt.
    It is in the context of agreeable relationship with my mother, and previous communication on similar topics.
    The topic is urgent, she is 82, time is running out.
    Once when I took her through a gospel presentation she stated that she didn’t believe in Hell. That is a symptom of a lying spirit.]

    In reply my mother stated:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    I received the thought of inviting the Holy Spirit from a book I paid $2 for from our Church Garage Sale. It was entitled “God can do it again” by Kathryn Kuhlman. It was through her ministry I received a miraculous healing from a back injury I received at least 20 years previously. I was in a rather desparate state with it at the time. The prayer ” a miracle of love and healing” was God given to me too.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The significance in the reply is the mention of Kathryn Khulman.

    My mother had read me chapters from her book “I believe in Miracles” when I was about 11 years old, and this had impressed me that God was still doing miracles in the present times.
    I read the same book to my 3 sons about 30 years later at their similar ages, because I thought it was good testimony for them to know about.

    At one time my mother was “prayed for” in a Toronto “Blessing” affected church I attended.

    Now the plot thickens:

    Benny Hinn is guided by the same spirit that operated through Kathryn Khulman, because Benny went to her gravesite to invite it in.
    He called it “getting her mantle”, or “getting her anointing”, but that is demonic spirit channelling and Benny’s works are evil (lying, false prophecy, loving mammon, self glorification, etc.).

    What is more startling is that Kathryn Khulman was an adulterer, just like Benny is, whether by present consummations with Paula White, or future “remarriage”, as per Todd Bentley’s carefully staged method (1.“affair”, 2.divorce, 3.“remarriage”).

    It is so predictable that evil ministers commit sexual immorality to somehow merge themselves deeper into the satanic spirit world that guides them.

    Read this account of Kathryn Khulman’s blatant deceit surrounding her journey of adultery. This is a similar pattern to what Benny and his wife Suzanne are currently pursuing.

    They are both desecrating their marriage vows to further their ministry for Satan.

    I know this is tough for all church people who have divorced and “remarried” and been lied that the Bible permits this, supposedly OK if the other spouse committed adultery first. That is just excuse for sin, like King Saul always had excuses for sin (note: later in his life Saul consulted a witch to channel spirits, (see 1 Sam 28:3-25)

    “Remarriage” (adultery covenant) is an ungodly indulgence to self compensate the loss of a spouse through separation or divorce.
    Just because your spouse commits adultery against their marriage vows doesn’t mean you are permitted to:

    Luke 16:18 “Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.”

    “Remarriages” have corrupted churches with sexual immorality. The lying spirits in Kathryn Khulman, Benny Hinn, and Todd Bentley are behind the false teachings that condone “remarriages” in churches.

    I know this will be tough for any readers who have “remarried” and desire to please God. However you have given yourself a reward on earth, an illicit indulgence, rather than resist the temptation and stay single from your separation/divorce.

    If you had more fear of the Lord, then you wouldn’t have done it, but sadly churches everywhere don’t teach “the fear of the Lord”, they teach PosiJesus who dispenses grace as a licence for immorality.

    Jude 1:4 For certain men whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are godless men, who change the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.

    It would be hard to abandon a “remarriage”, however the thought of being part of the system of people like Benny Hinn and Todd Bentley should be an ominous warning towards a courageous decision for righteousness.

    You can still have a social life with agreeable friendships in your single status, and God will be faithful to watch over your way in the loss you live through.

    God always stands by people who maintain a righteous stance through a difficult situation.
    Being abandoned / divorced by your spouse is a difficult situation.

    1 Cor 10:13 No temptation has seized you except what is common to man. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can stand up under it.

    People who compensate themselves with a “remarriage” are making God a liar on that promise.
    “Remarriage” (adultery), witchcraft, lying, false teaching, Kathryn Khulman, Benny Hinn, Paula White, Todd Bentley.

    These are all related concepts and ministers serving the devil.

    Benny Hinn, Suzanne Hinn, and Paula White are currently acting out a Satanic flesh consummation ritual to merge their “annointings” (spirit guides) and invoke the kingdom of the antichrist, the goal of the DOMINIONIST movement.

    To take over the world and MAKE IT READY for the final false Christ.

    THE antichrist.

    This is the purpose of all Benny Hinn’s crusades around the world.
    This is why Benny Hinn has often predicted the appearance of Jesus Christ.
    He is actually predicting the appearance of the false christ he serves – the antichrist.

    Corruption in churches produces a great falling away which severely diminishes the “salt” and “light” (Matt 5:13-16).
    This increases wickedness in preparation for the antichrist.

    Matthew 24:12-13 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.

    The Hinn/White consummation is defended with a lie “we’re just friends, we’ve just been visiting the pope”.
    OK, then add the pope to the diabolical list:

    “Remarriage” (adultery), witchcraft, lying, false teaching, Kathryn Khulman, Benny Hinn, Paula White, Todd Bentley, Roman Catholic Pope.

    To anyone contemplating “remarriage”: Do you want to join the diabolical club?

    Don’t do it.

    It is interesting that Kathryn Khulman had a strong affection for the Roman Catholic church, just like Benny Hinn and Rick Joyner (Rick Joyner is a knight of Malta, a Catholic order). They are all involved in channelling evil spirits.

    2 Thes 2:9-12 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.

    Supporting or justifying Benny Hinn is “delighting in wickedness”.

    Good discernment is so important to protect you from “delighting in wickedness”.

  318. Carolyn says:

    I am divorced and remarried. Gasp! I’m not proud of it but it’s reality.

    I find legalism….. most annoying….

    to all legalists, I make this defence:

    Is divorce and remarriage the unpardonable sin? I just want to know now, in your most unhumble opinion, rather than thinking, mistakenly, that I am forgiven and there is no pardon for such an offence. In which case, my entire life is built on a lie.

    David, also was not a perfect man, but he was forgiven. Could God do any less for me?
    God is not so concerned with preserving our perfect image as he is with our heart. David was not so concerned with preserving his image as he was with preserving God’s honour and his relationship with God. He repented before God, and worshipped him in spirit and in truth. For this, God does not cast him in a negative light. The Scriptures clearly casts David and his Psalms which Christ quoted from, in a positive light in spite of his sin and his many bad choices.

    I find some of the legalists would rather club me to death with the Word, or stone me, rather than accept me on the basis of Christ’s forgiveness and one for whom he has the utmost compassion.

    It should be noted that Christ made a special point of forgiveness with the woman who married 5 times. And the woman caught in adultery was also on his list of those forgiven, as were other women who were not the most morally pure specimens of humanity.

    The endgame with Christ seems to be forgiveness and restoration for all and every sin, except the refusal to acknowledge the Holy Spirit.

    Whereas, the legalists, who may harbour such things as anger, malice, pride and other works of the flesh, defer the attention from their own abominable behaviours by holding remarriage up as the unpardonable sin.

    Don’t get me wrong. God hates divorce. But he also hates lying, stealing, coveting, wife battering and deceitful scheming and a thousand other vices.

    The Word can be a club to club the sheep to death, or it can be an instrument to care for the sheep, pulling them out of danger, caring for them, bringing them back to the fold and shepherding them.

    And the same Word is, to the sheep a comfort, edification and encouragement, but to the wolves, it is an club.

    2 Corinthians 2:15-16
    15For we are to God the aroma of Christ among those who are being saved and those who are perishing. 16To the one we are the smell of death; to the other, the fragrance of life.

    Sometimes there is no going back after mistakes have been made. To those who hold a legalistic, cut and dried response to a woman who has remarried, that she must leave her remarried partner, is not dealing in reality. We have to move on from where we are, asking forgiveness of those we have wronged in the process.

    If remarriage is the unpardonable sin, then the peace of God that I am experiencing is a lie, the forgiveness of the cross is a lie and saving grace is a lie.

    But it is not a lie. And God is not finished with me yet.
    James 1:3-5 (King James Version)
    3Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.
    4But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.
    5If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

    To you Seeker3k – please I beg of you… understand that grace is not a licence for immorality. Grace is forgiveness and mercy.
    Matthew 5:7
    Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy.
    Luke 17:3
    So watch yourselves. “If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him.
    Galatians 6:1
    [ Doing Good to All ] Brothers, if someone is caught in a sin, you who are spiritual should restore him gently. But watch yourself, or you also may be tempted.

    Pardon me if I come a little strong on this issue….it is my life we are talking about.

  319. ruthsongs says:

    @seeker3 You said “It is improper for you to address the Holy Spirit directly.
    The Holy Spirit is the helper sent by God, and we are not permitted to address him directly. If you try to, then the disobedience can allow a lying spirit to contact you. ”

    This is a topic of conversation among some friends right now. What scriptures support this? I am not being argumentative. I would like your thoughts on this topic.

  320. STEVE says:

    Well between Benny Hinn and Todd Bentley having affairs and Bill Johnson of Bethel Church in Redding Calif talking of angel feathers falling in his church along with gold dust and diamonds appearing I think God is starting to expose people. I think the sad thing is that unbelievers look at it and loose respect for the message……so very sad.By their works you shall know them. Kind of odd when contrasted against Jesus words in Luke 6:46 ” WHY DO YOU CALL ME LORD LORD AND DO NOT DO WHAT I SAY”!!!!!

  321. Teresa says:

    @ Seeker3K
    I have admit that I have a lot of learning to do about the bible. Seeker3k, you have stepped on some serious toes today. You really hurt my friend Carolyn, she love the Lord and I know from her postings. I am divorced myself, due to no fault of my own. No where is the bible does it say divorce is an unforgivable sin, if I am wrong please show me in God’s word, not your own words. The church is full of divorced “saved “people or are you saying to us that we are not saved because we are divorced. We need some scriptures to back up what you said today about remarriage and that it is improper to address the HOly Spirit directly (SCRIPTURE PLEASE. Now, According to Roman 3:23-25 (23) For all have sinned, and come short of the Glory of God. (24) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus. (25) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith, in his blood, to declare hi righteousness for the remission of sin that are part, through the forebearance of God. According to that scripture we are forgivin of what we did before God save us. Seeker3k you literally put us back under bondage with your words today, so please explain.

  322. Teresa says:

    in verse 24 “sins that are past ” my computer is giving me problems

  323. ian vincent says:

    And in that day you shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, whatsoever you shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it to you. Until now have you asked nothing in my name: ask, and you shall receive, that your joy may be full.
    (John 16:23-24)

    We can’t ask the Holy Spirit if we are praying by the Holy Spirit, and all prayer should be led by the Holy Spirit. He leads us to pray according to God’s Word: that is, to the Father, in Jesus name.

    ————————————————————————

    When i look at false teachers i try to see where they took a wrong turn and started going the wrong way, back to the roots.

    Proverbs 29:25 The fear of man brings a snare: but whosoever puts his trust in the LORD shall be safe.

    Early on they had a choice: Either, follow Jesus, preach His words alone, and call the world to repentance, or, tell people what they want to hear.

    This is THE fork in the road.

    The fear of man stops people preaching the unvarnished Bible truth. They rationalize it out, that if they preach the truth alone, then they know they won’t be popular, and that means they won’t get the wealth and fame they seek. A fear of man, a fear of being rejected, of being unpopular, a fear of poverty ( of being in the place where they HAVE to trust God). And that is a snare, a trap. They didn’t count the cost.

    So, they go off preaching “half-truths”, distortions, putting a spin on the Word of God.

    They produce a SUBSTITUTE for obeying the truth and teaching the truth. A counterfeit is a substitute, it temporarily “fills the gap”, like a drug does.

    Dominionism, like all other heresies, is a warped marriage of “the desire of the flesh” and “the desire of God”, which can never be.

    http://ianvincent.wordpress.com/

  324. Teresa says:

    OK This is the deal. You guy’s lost me with the whole David dancing and Seeker3k you last post is a riddle to me, I am trying to understand by I am not getting it, caan some please explain this to me. Seeker3 my last post could be lack of understanding on my part. Someone please help me understand , Chrystal , someone.

  325. cowbelle says:

    Carolyn, thank you so very much for responding to this. You have explained this well. I have also been attacked by legalists in the past, and I totally agree with you. Is it okay to share some of our testimonies in here? I try to be very careful what I write because I am still learning the ways of blogging. I am so glad you brought up about the woman at the well. Very good passage, I am so thankful of his tender mercies, I found a scripture in Acts about this, Act 13:32 And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto the fathers,
    Act 13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.
    Act 13:34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.
    I am so thankful for his mercies. Carolyn bless you sis, thank you for your stand.

  326. Sean says:

    Hello Carolyn and Teresa,

    The way that Jesus expressed himself in Matthew 19:9 did allow that a man could re-marry without being considered an adulterer. I believe that verse applies to a woman in the case where the roles are reversed.

    In any case, I believe your personal relationship with the Lord is not affected by your marital status. I believe that you both are forgiven of your sins, and that you are full members of God’s family. Having learned from the wisdom of the comments that you’ve both posted, I’m proud to consider you as sisters. By the way, Thank-you both for what you have shared. I’ve learned a lot from you.

    The church is a group of forgiven sinners. As John said, if we believe that we are without sin, then we are lying to ourselves, ALL of us.

    I know that divorce is terrible and I know that we have to take sin seriously. I’ve personally seen the devastation in the families, especially the children when there has been divorce. However, God has forgiven those who have confessed their sins. By God’s Holy Word, I KNOW that ALL of your sins are forgiven because He put it in writing that He would do so (1st John 1:9).

  327. Rev's Kate & Rich M. says:

    Oh Lord– someone shoot me now! Carolyn, you are a terrific woman, do not defend yourself… only to God do you answer. And, you’re married more than once, gasp! I’m sure he was a creep…you are soooo honest and loving.

    The past is the past and God’s grace is sufficient– now, folks, pick up your stones and throw them at me, too. Line Carolyn up against the wall, with her new husband– pull my darling husband out of bed and throw him in the pile while you’re at it. Give ‘em all the heave-ho and let ‘er rip. I must be goin’ to the dogs, too. I’m sorry, I committed the unpardonable sin, so, I’m goin’ to hell with you, sister and I’m a minister–a woman–yikes!

    Remember, I love you guys and don’t forget it! xxxx many kisses and big hugs, K :)

    PS- what’s this baloney with not addressing the Holy Spirit directly? You mean, Ican’t even talk to him? Nuts!

  328. Grant says:

    Was Jesus shed Blood enough to pay for the sin of divorce?

  329. cowbelle says:

    Carolyn, I hope I am not out of order, but is it possible to ask ianvincent what his background is? The church of God in Christ or the church of God is very legalistic and controlling , I have heard this verbage before on condemnation of divorce and remarriage. I wonder if he got these teachings from them or something close to that. What you posted in reply was excellent and I invite ianvincent to read it again. You couldn’t have made it any clearer. What he was saying was very legalistic and condemning and that isn’t right. Carolyn what you wrote really blessed me and was very clear about this. God bless you real good, and big hugs to you from a fellow sister in Christ.

  330. cowbelle says:

    Sean thank you for your post it expresses my heart in this also. In total agreement with you. God bless you

  331. David says:

    After reading the last post from Seeker3k and the comments that follwed about divorce and remarriage, I sought The Lord carefully though prayer and this is what He says and wants you all to know and understand, seeing as there is concern being voiced about the subject raised by Seeker3k:

    “My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our’s only, but also for the sins of the whole world. And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.” I John 2: 1 – 5 KJV

    Obviously the reply I gave to Denise seemed uncharitable, and harsh, however the this is reason why, as it is written:

    “My son, despise not the chastening of the LORD; neither be weary of his correction: For whom the LORD loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.” Proverbs 3: 11 & 12 KJV

    because:

    “Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin. And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him: For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons. Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live? For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness. Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby. Wherefore lift up the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees; And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed.” Hebrews 12: 4 – 13 KJV

    The LORD wants you to all know that he loves all of you. However, He also says:

    “I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another…” Isaiah 42: 8 KJV

    Keep in mind, that whenever you quote a man, any man, no matter how well repected, you risk provoking The Lord, as He is the ONLY authority – as it is written:

    “….All flesh is grass, and all the goodliness thereof is as the flower of the field:
    The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: because the spirit of the LORD bloweth upon it: surely the people is grass. The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.” Isaiah 40: 6 – 8 KJV

    “Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.” Mark 13: 31

    “Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ; As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance: But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy. And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man’s work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear: Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
    But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God. Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.” I Peter 1: 13 – 25 KJV

    Dr. James White is obviously a very well respected man, however, you just read what the Apostle Peter said, and this is what the Pharisee and Sadducees thought of Peter, a common, uneducated and illiterate fisherman:

    “Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they marvelled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus.” Acts: 4: 13

    As I said, I prayed and sought The Lord, and this is what he wanted me to post. There’s also something that needs to be said reagrding the internet and it’s application to whether or not one can call posting on blogs like this true fellowship or “church”. I’ll leave you to think about this, seek the scriptures and pray. If the Devil canuse the internet to unite his followers in the single unified purpose of practicing every imaginable, and unimaginable wickedness known to man, do you think the The Lord Jesus cannot use that same technology to gather and call to His Sheep from every corner of this planet? As it is written:

    “My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give to them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.” John 10: 27 & 28 KJV

    “And the LORD, he it is that doth go before thee; he will be with thee, he will not fail thee, neither forsake thee: fear not, neither be dismayed.” Deuteronomy 31: 8 KJV

    “Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee” Hebrews 13: 5 KJV

    Don’t forget, that every word written above applies to me too!! Also, Denise, Jesus Himself rebuked Peter with those very words, then Peter was given the keys to the kingdom of Heaven, and he preached the Gospel mightily on the day of Pentecost, where as you know, The Lord added 3,000 new souls to His Kingdom.

    • Chrystal says:

      David,

      You said: “Obviously the reply I gave to Denise seemed uncharitable, and harsh, however the this is reason why, as it is written:

      “My son, despise not the chastening of the LORD; neither be weary of his correction: For whom the LORD loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.” Proverbs 3: 11 & 12 KJV”

      What you said to Denise wasn’t the correction of the Lord. You made false accusations against her and accused her of saying things she did not say…and were extremely nasty in the process. Using Scripture to defend yourself when you were wrong doesn’t help the situation.

  332. Carolyn says:

    Wow. Just came on….thanks for encouragement everyone. I am feeling the love…

    Teresa, Cowbelle, Rev’s Kate…thanks for sharing.

    Let me quote from John 8 – The woman caught in adultery. These men were chomping at the bit to stone her…but they obviously had a few sins of their own that they needed forgiveness for…
    But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.
    9At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there.
    *******
    I rather imagine (don’t know for sure) that Jesus started writing the sins that they were guilty of…greed, lust, anger, pride, dishonesty, lying, cheating on taxes, and he just kept writing and writing and they all left one by one. I find it interesting that the older ones recognized their sin faster than the younger ones…but they all, without exception recognized their sin.
    *******
    The Pharisees once again came to Jesus to win an argument. They supposedly had this ongoing argument in Jesus time, about being able to divorce a woman for any reason, simply because she didn’t please them and they could throw her out without any recompence…say for burning the toast…(for any and every reason). Much like it is in some Middle Eastern Islamic communities today.
    *******
    Matt. 19
    3Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?”
    4″Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’[a] 5and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’[b]? 6So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate.”
    7″Why then,” they asked, “did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?”
    8Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. 9I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery.”
    *********
    It was fact that men were deserting their wives for “any and every reason” at their own whim. He said this was not what God had planned from the beginning. Marriage was to be taken more seriously than that. It was for the protection of a woman and not the exploitation of a woman.
    ***********
    I don’t believe for one minute that God requires a woman to stay in an abusive relationship, as some Pharisaical ministers would legislate. Such a directive would not be in keeping with his character. People can be so hard hearted. It amazes me.

    Anyhow, thanks again for re-emphasizing the scriptures that portray Christ correctly and our forgiveness as complete. We are not worse sinners…we are all forgiven sinners.

  333. Carolyn says:

    Teresa says:
    August 17, 2010 at 7:54 pm
    OK This is the deal. You guy’s lost me with the whole David dancing and Seeker3k you last post is a riddle to me, I am trying to understand by I am not getting it, caan some please explain this to me.
    ********
    From my point of view…Teresa, the difference between the two differing views re David dancing before the Lord is this:
    One side is saying that David’s act of worship in dancing was not the “right” thing to do
    The other side is saying that David’s act of worship was acceptable to God because his heart was right with God
    One side is very critical of David’s life as a whole and casts a negative light on his motivations and his intentions because he was human to the core. And basically places a dark shadow over the life and times of David. There is little forgiveness…they continue to hold his feet to the fire as a murderer, adulterer and a sinner
    The other side upholds David as a repentant sinner who dealt with his sins before a holy God, took responsibility, endured sin’s retribution, kept his heart honest through it all and was greatly inspired and used by God because his heart was right.
    One side casts David in a harsh, critical, legalistic, “right vs wrong” light
    The other side casts David with a heart that understands his sinful bent and quickly repents and desires restoration of his place in the presence of God.
    The whole emphasis of David’s life was that his heart was toward God
    Read the Psalms…”if I have cherished sin in my heart” ” As a deer pants for the water, so my soul pants after thee” “where can I go and meet with the Lord?”
    David only really wanted one thing…to be in the presence of God. And he was quick to acknowledge his sin…always. Contrast his attitude with Asa and with Uzziah.

    So, Tereasa. I hope that helps. If you google David danced before the Lord you will probably catch the distinctive flavour of the two views.

  334. Chrystal says:

    Carolyn,

    There’s only one unpardonable sin, and divorce isn’t it. You have an advocate with the Father, and that advocate is Christ Jesus, and that should bring you much comfort.

  335. Carolyn says:

    Chrystal, Sean, Grant, Thanks for encouraging me in the Truth!

  336. Carolyn says:

    In defence of Seeker3k saying that we should not address the Holy Spirit. I THINK he was referring to a familiarity with the Holy Spirit that is out of line. It is a mystical thing that charismatics have been taught…like Benny Hinn’s “Good Morning Holy Spirit” where you wake up in the morning and start talking to the him. The Spirit was sent to draw attention to Jesus, not himself. And I would be so bold as to say that if some spirit it drawing attention to itself, it is not the Holy Spirit.
    Although the Word acknowledges the Holy Spirit as our Intercessor, Helper, Guide, etc. we are not in direct talks with him. We are to acknowledge the Son of God, Christ is the Spirit of Prophecy, Christ in us the hope of glory, God’s Righteousness, whooo! I’m getting blessed as I speak. He is God’s provision for our sins! Praise God!!!
    Anyhow, yes, in the case of Kathryn Khulman, the spirit that she “waited for behind the stage until it came” and then animated her and set her in motion, was not the Holy Spirit, which she claimed, but another spirit that performed lying signs and wonders through her. She was not preaching Christ and him crucified…she was preaching another gospel. Very sad.
    Any comments?

  337. IWTT says:

    The Spirit was sent to draw attention to Jesus, not himself.

    AMEN!

    And we pray to the Father in the Name of Jesus, not the Holy Spirit.

  338. Teresa says:

    I am good, I was concerned for Carolyn. I do not know her in the real world but in the LORD she is my sister and I will not have no one trampling on her heart and hurting her. “Love you Carolyn “God’s grace is sufficient for our sins and yes Grant thank you, cause Jesus blood, one drop was and is enough to pay for the sin of divorce.

    Carolyn this is for you my favorite song and my favorite singing group.

  339. Rev's Kate & Rich M. says:

    Seeker3k– what are you saying in reference to the Holy Spirit? Would you clarify your statement so I can understand. Thanks, K

  340. Carolyn says:

    Cowbelle, so glad that what I wrote blessed you. I missed one of your blogs last time around, but thanks for the hugs and for standing with me, your spiritual sis! You are very sweet! love you!
    Also, you mention Ian Vincent above…Did you mean Seeker3k? It was him that brought up the remarriage comment.

    Teresa, also thank you for standing beside your sis. I really appreciate the support!
    Great song. I love that one too…so powerful!

  341. cowbelle says:

    Carolyn yes I am sorry, I meant seeker3k wowers I blew it. I apologise to Ianvincent please forgive me. Thank you for catching this. I do invite seeker3k to read your post, it is honest, truthful and to the point. God bless you Love you too from Cowbelle

  342. Rev's Kate & Rich M. says:

    Teresa– I usually don’t have much to say, but… your response touched me. Being a woman, there’s a ceiling that seems to be difficult to break through, even in the religious realm–maybe even more so –a tragedy. I just can’t believe Jesus died only for the masculine sex and left us, the women as an afterthought– it doesn’t make sense. My God would not leave me as second place. What would life be if our God were not fair? My heart is broken, xxx K

  343. Maria says:

    Dear Heavenly Father,
    You know that every morning I adress You and Jesus and the Holy Spirit.
    I blow kisses to each One of You individually and I adress You as One and also individually.
    I write to the Lord Jesus in my diary and I also have a file where I write to you Father.
    Once in a while I also write to the Holy Spirit.
    Father,first Jesus revealed Himself to me.
    Later I also had a vision of You.
    On a different ocasion (after ministering to a Jeovah witness),the Holy Spirit revealed Himself to me.
    I know Who You are!
    There are Three that bear record in Heaven:You Father,and Jesus who is the Word and the Holy Ghost and the Three of You are One!
    I don’t want to sound like the Pharisee but I’m grateful to You for allowing me to live in the liberty that Jesus has attained for us on the cross (Galatians 5:1)
    However,many are spying our freedom trying to brink us back to bondage.
    Goodnight Abba-ba!
    Goodnight precious Lord Jesus!
    Gooodnight Holy Spirit!
    I love You and I worship You!
    Let me sleep in Your arms and sing love songs over me!
    Embrace my brothers and sisters as well and soak their hearts and their spiritts in Your love.
    Soon we have to pack “our luggage” because we are going on a vacation!
    We are going to take clothes to some Cuban children and we also will be swimming.
    Lord,You know how much I enjoy praising You and worshipping You in the ocean!
    Hugs and kisses from Your child.
    Maria

    P.S: Holy Spirit,Thank You that I can adress You.You are my God and My Friend!
    I’m always talking to You about Jesus.

  344. Golda says:

    *********
    It was fact that men were deserting their wives for “any and every reason” at their own whim. He said this was not what God had planned from the beginning. Marriage was to be taken more seriously than that. It was for the protection of a woman and not the exploitation of a woman.
    ***********
    I don’t believe for one minute that God requires a woman to stay in an abusive relationship, as some Pharisaical ministers would legislate. Such a directive would not be in keeping with his character. People can be so hard hearted. It amazes me.

    Big Amen to that!

  345. Carolyn says:

    Teresa says:
    August 18, 2010 at 1:28 pm
    I am good, I was concerned for Carolyn. I do not know her in the real world but in the LORD she is my sister

    Teresa…this is Carolyn in the real world.
    Married 22 years to a Certified, Class A Emotional Abuser…gotta live with one to understand what I’m talking about. Just couldn’t stop fighting with me…disapproved of everything, couldn’t lose an argument, never wrong, constant suspicion, belittling, blaming, accusing and antagonizing. But the “nicest guy” to everyone else. He had a reputation to protect.
    After several attempts at reconciliation, we parted ways and settled on divorce. Even after that, any time we met, it was always the same…he would find a button to push. I haven’t had any contact with him for 10 years because he tried to record my conversations…it was an amazing thing how I found out…but that’s a whole other story.
    Sometimes, it bothers me that in the children’s minds, he is still “the victim”, while I remain “the black sheep”. Sometimes, it doesn’t bother me, because I am just happy to be free. And who knows, after 10 years, maybe he’s a different person too.
    Anyhow, I take my share of responsibility. I was not a perfect partner…still am not… I still don’t have all the answers and I still feel the defeat of divorce and the burden of my wretched man…and need continual encouragement to keep focused on my freedom in Christ.
    I didn’t make good choices after I left my marriage. Too late I learned the error of impulsive, naive and selfish decisions. But life moves on and we move on with it.
    The last ten years of my journey has been unlearning everything I learned for the first 45 years of my intensely charismatic, mystical life and following Truth instead of error. My present husband of 10 years is a fun loving, easy going, teddy bear…who is unwilling to let even a crack of the Light of God’s truth into his heart. One of my greatest sorrows. Another sorrow is how little energy I have, keeping me on the ragged edge of fatigue. As a matter of fact, in all likelihood I suffer from Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and for sure, low iron. And that is why I do not attend a church…too little energy to get involved. It takes all my energy just to keep up with the sales rep business and household errands, limited entertaining and social interactions and keeping informed of the news and weather. I love my kids, my sister who has Downes and my dog Spot…because he doesn’t exist.
    In spite of my illness, God has shaped and formed my thinking as only he can do even though, at times, he had a very unwilling and unthankful piece of clay to work with. So there it is. The real world Carolyn. Pleased to meet you.

  346. David says:

    “Thus said the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusts in man, and makes flesh his arm, and whose heart departs from the LORD.” Jeremiah 17:15 KJV

    “Woe to the rebellious children, saith the LORD, that take counsel, but not of me; and that cover with a covering, but not of my spirit, that they may add sin to sin.” Isaiah 30:1 KJV

  347. Teresa says:

    @Carolyn I married at the age of 19, I am now 46. I am the youngest of 12 children. My brother Scott was killed in a car accident by a drunk driver, I was 17 at the time. I was a teenage who heart was to please the LORD and honor my parents. Jarret, my ex was my first cousins first cousin. My mother’s brother married Jarret’s dad sister. So, we had the same aunt and uncle on opposite sides of the family. Jarret was my bother Scott’s (now deceased) best friend. I did not like this guy much but everybody wanted us together. When Scott died I wanted nothing more to do with him. My family pressured me to point of my wanting to please them and at them off my back. At the age of 19 I broke the engagement off for reasons I never told my family. My dad pressure me to the point of no return, so I married in rebellion and to get away from my family. I was naive and did not realize what came with marriage and my innocence I had to give him. He beat me, I was a slave for 1 year, he was a drunk, smoked pot, adulteress and much more. I warned him that if he ever touched me again he would have to go to sleep, I have seven brothers, I did learn to defend myself, so he did do to sleep and he paid for it. We had no chilren together but my family for years blamed themselves for the decision I made but I never blamed them. I was single until 12 years ago and I have a lovely husband named Garret. LOL close in name. The most uncomfortable part for years was because of the close connection of the families. It honestly has no power over me any longer only because of the cross and the Blood of Jesus. Well, I have a date with my 9 year old and her best friend, must go. Love Teresa

  348. Teresa says:

    Carolyn, Some times I write in a hurry and make lots of mistakes. One part I meant to say “to get them off my back” and said at them off my back. I need a professional proof reader, LOL

    I have two children and a dog, so I get in a hurry and easily distracted. I am a country girl from the hills of West Virginian, where the coal mining accident happened several months ago, so my english is the the best. LOL, LOL, LOL

  349. Carolyn says:

    Teresa, One of my brothers was also killed by drunk driver when he was 19 and I was 17. Happy to hear that you escaped the abusive relationship before he ended your life. I am sorry that you endured so much. And I am happy for your present situation.
    It’s a good thing that we can be transparent with our lives. Nothing to hide, because it is all known to God anyhow. If we can’t be transparent, then we must be hiding something for selfish reasons. As sinners saved by grace, we don’t have to hide from the truth. It is what it is. We is what we is. And I’m so glad his grace is sufficient for us all. We have his Word on that.
    God bless you, my friend…and, as well, all those with stories of trials and triumphs, who have been pulled from the deep waters of deception, distress, disaster and/or divorce.

  350. Teresa says:

    I don’t know about anyone else but when I am writing a comment on this blog it is delayed and I am having trouble writing my comments, that is why I am making so many mistakes. LOL
    Rev. Kate thank you. That was the cares of life for me that drove me another direction away for the LORD. My ex would not let me go to church, so I stopped going and making sinful decisions. I guess what I am trying to say is; I went my own way for a while. Then when I got back in church, it was a messed up church. God, never left me nor did he forsake me. He carefully and wonderfully brought me back to his fold, his little lost sheep. I once was lost but now I am found was blind but now I see. Amen!!!!!!!! Love all you guy’s but I must go now, I am going to the pool with my wonderful husband, 2 children and their friends, so I have lots of kids today.

  351. realdeal says:

    Back to Mr Benny Hinn…..look at the display he put on in Philadelphia

    Tell me…. how these people can sit there and watch this?

  352. realdeal says:

    Forgot to add…. Math 6:5-6 to the Benny Hinn video link

  353. Rev's Kate & Rich M. says:

    God bless you, my dear, dear sisters– and God bless you my dear, dear brothers.
    His mercy endureth forever– He is a kind taskmaster. In our trials and tribulations, His grace is sufficient–and eye has not seen, nor ear has heard the wonderful surprises He has for His children. Much love and have a barrel of fun today, my dear Teresa. xxx K

  354. Carolyn says:

    Real Deal, Just can’t think of any reason why except emotional emersion. You’ve heard of French emersion classes. That’s where you are so completely emersed in French that it starts to become as natural as breathing. Children raised in Jim Jones church were emersed in Jim Jones theology. It was as natural as breathing.
    Pure and simple…these people, most of them are emersed in emotionalism. They crave it and they love it. They were raised in it or emersed in it. It’s like breathing for them.
    I once breathed it right along with them. But when you think about what BH is saying…what is he really saying? Your point is well taken. He is babbling about “we are too sinful for you to look on…” so he is putting the attention back on us. That’s why Christ came…not so that we could roll around on the floor, prostrate ourselves in false humility and moan and groan…it was so that we could know the Truth!
    Here’s another verse:
    Jeremiah 5:30-31
    30 “A horrible and shocking thing
    has happened in the land:
    31 The prophets prophesy lies,
    the priests rule by their own authority,
    and my people love it this way.
    But what will you do in the end?

  355. Rev's Kate & Rich M. says:

    Carolyn– chronic fatigue syndrome? I had iron deficiency so low, my hematologist was baffled at the numbers–the lowest they’d ever seen and how was I walking around– there was no rhyme nor reason– why was I dying? Oh gosh, that’s awful because my two sisters, and late mom, suffer from that, too, both CFS and a myriad of other autoimmune junk– thank God, I don’t have CFS, but finally, tests showed that I do have Celiac Disease (an allergy to wheat, barley, oats, it can be looked up on line) all autoimmune and genetic disasters which just changes everything and causes so many “mimic diseases”, it can be deadly- Mom died from complications from celiac. I was tested for every darned disease, so much blood taken-the most frightening thing to wonder about is cancer, abdominal carcinoma, lymphoma… I cringe, just the word cancer is so scary– it lurks–I can’t tell you the tests and year to year questioning: CT scans, sonograms, endless blood tests. It becomes a burden, but God has taught me that diet is one of the most important things we can do to stay healthy–and rest: emotional and physical.

    Gosh,– it’s been tough and I rarely talk about this stuff– but apparently this blog site, which I believe is directed by God’s spirit, has its purpose.

    Who would’ve thought that Paula White and Benny Hinn’s problem would have opened so many hearts and souls to share. God is good– as usual, I’m noticing the women open up so much more than the guys. That’s a whole other subject– gotta love ‘em. Nighty night all…
    xx K

  356. Grant says:

    When we hit 400 comments does that person get to go thru a portal or paradigm shift?

  357. Carolyn says:

    My apologies for spelling emersion wrong. Meant to spell check. It is, of course spelled immersion, a little embarrassing, especially when I used the word a gazillion times in the blog. :-(

  358. Carolyn says:

    What I was saying above about the Holy Spirit being sent to draw attention to himself is a technical point. No one is less of a Christian because he/she talks to the Holy Spirit, but the focus or spotlight, if you will, is Christ. Many have said it well, but on the link below it is said much more eloquently than I could ever say it. It’s just a technical point to me made, nothing to kill each other over.

    http://teampyro.blogspot.com/2006/12/holy-spirit-is-not-failed-ed-mcmahon.html

  359. Carolyn says:

    Rev’s Kate and Rich M. said:
    Gosh,– it’s been tough and I rarely talk about this stuff– but apparently this blog site, which I believe is directed by God’s spirit, has its purpose.

    Amen to that! and
    Yes, those autoimmune diseases like to work in groups…correct diet…good advice!
    so sorry to hear of your mom’s passing…
    Yes, life is tough…all creation groaning together, hoping for redemption…I can’t wait, sometimes even impatient to be the next to pass over to the other side…and sometimes, hand in the air waving frantically like a grade one-er “pick me, pick me!” But until then, we can look and learn…Looking to Jesus the Author and Finisher of our Faith and Learning how to Trust Him more… becoming more excited every day as we see his plans and purposes unfolding before our very eyes!

    And thanks again to Chrystal who has all her own set of hardships but endures to keep us all considering Jesus, reproving error and encouraging each other in the faith.
    Don’t want to pry, Chrystal, but hope you are feeling better these days.

  360. Carolyn says:

    Grant…when we hit 400…portal or paradigm shift…your choice!

  361. Carolyn says:

    But I was just thinking, Grant…that if you choose the portal, we may never see you again. And that would be unfortunate, because you make us laugh.

  362. seeker3k says:

    Don’t get “remarried”.
    ================

    >> Carolyn 17/8/10 2:21pm “Is divorce and remarriage the unpardonable sin? I just want to know now, in your most unhumble opinion, rather than thinking, mistakenly, that I am forgiven and there is no pardon for such an offence.”

    You didn’t need to get “remarried” to someone else.

    You could have remained single in the separation from your spouse.

    That would be an important witness for the true Jesus Christ in living righteously through loss.

    You can still have agreeable friendships and social life while living single from marriage separation, and God would have helped you live such a witness for him:

    1 Cor 10:13 No temptation has seized you except what is common to man. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can stand up under it.

    “Remarriage” is for people like Benny Hinn, Suzanne Hinn, Joyce Meyer, Todd Bentley, etc., who are consummated to the devil through the unbiblical ways they practice and teach.

    >> Carolyn 17/8/10 2:21pm “I find some of the legalists would rather club me to death with the Word, or stone me, rather than accept me on the basis of Christ’s forgiveness”

    Jesus ended stoning to death for adultery, but he firmly warned against CONTINUING in adultery: “Go and sin no more”.

    Being forgiven of the “remarriage” means you would have to abandon it, otherwise you are just giving lip service to “repent” of something you intend to keep.

    It appears you are in a difficult dilemma.

    It is a warning to me in my separated state to keep well away from “remarriage”.

    I don’t want to spend eternity with Benny Hinn types.

    Do you?

    I fully expect Benny Hinn to get “remarried” in due course.

    >> Carolyn 17/8/10 2:21pm “If remarriage is the unpardonable sin, then the peace of God that I am experiencing is a lie, the forgiveness of the cross is a lie and saving grace is a lie.”

    No, Carolyn, you cannot declare forgiveness, the cross, and saving grace a lie because of contradiction to your personal testimony.
    If your personal testimony is contradicting the Bible, then change your ways, not the Bible.

    >> “the peace of God that I am experiencing…”

    I wouldn’t trust the feelings of experiences to be some proof that you are correctly following God.

    I would only trust the Bible for assurance that I am correctly following God.

    >> “Pardon me if I come a little strong on this issue….it is my life we are talking about.”

    It is NOT your life we are talking about.

    It is God’s name we are talking about.

    Our life testimony either upholds God’s name, or it defames God’s name.

    That is why this vigorous contention is worth having.

  363. seeker3k says:

    >> ruthsongs 17/8/10 2:41pm “seeker3 You said “It is improper for you to address the Holy Spirit directly.
    “What scriptures support this. I am not being argumentative. I would like your thoughts on this topic.”

    Contending for truth means you HAVE TO be argumentative.

    Being argumentative (with correct Biblical support) is the means to “pulling down strongholds”:

    2 Cor 10:5 We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ.

    In regards to directly addressing the Holy Spirit:

    You show me the scriptures that permit you to commune with the Holy Spirit.
    You show me the scriptures that encourage adoration of the Holy Spirit.

    I realised, logically, that if we could pursuade the Holy Spirit to do things for us, then we would be in competition with God, because the Holy Spirit is a servant of God.

    We could use the Holy Spirit to fulfil our agenda to “have revival”, “get healings”, “get information” (we could cease reading the Bible any more).

    This review of Kathryn Khulman describes the contrast between the spirit that guided Kathryn Khulman, and the Holy Spirit.

    The Holy Spirit is a helper in conjunction with our free will.
    Demons are possessors that bypass our free will.

    John 15:26 “When the Counselor comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father, he will testify about me”.

    When that was stated the written Bible had not been completed to Revelation 22:21.

    The testimony of the Holy Spirit is included in the completed Bible, so we should go to the Bible to get counsel from the Spirit of Truth.

    Every single person I have known or read about who claims to have a personal relationship with the Holy Spirit ALWAYS teaches and/or lives unbiblical error (Benny Hinn, Kathryn Khulman, etc.).

    Since the Holy Spirit is the author of the Bible (through guiding its contributing writers), then that is a contradiction, so I reason people making those claims actually have personal relationships with demons.

  364. cowbelle says:

    It is important to note that this false teachings is affecting many many people and all denominations. Just in case someone missed this Justin Peters shares his story, he has been to the benny hinn crusades http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yyvcc9sFWh0, I thank God for Justin Peters as he brings a very honest balanced view of this to expose the falsehood. We also have seen alot over the years, been through alot. Selfishness and greed abounds in the name of spirituality. I have a question do you think it is going to go back to people meeting in homes instead of churches? I think people are getting tired of being manipulated and controlled, and what about the warning to the NICOLAITANS practices that God hates. What was that practice? From what I have studied it is about the clergy that dominates over the laity. so then church as we know it isn’t the way God wants it to be? Along with that I didn’t find anything about crusades for healing and making money off of it. The disciples never made themselves wealthy off of the church or its people. You won’t find any scriptures about it. I know people that want to go to church, and they can’t find one that they can trust, or they been really wounded or hurt. This is no idle statement. How we pray for God to raise up true Shephards who love the flock of God who will nurture them, help them, heal them, and bind up their wounds. How we pray for this. I know most of you have cried many times and shed many tears over these false teachers who extort and rob the people for their own selfish gain and extravigant lifestyles. Here is the utube video again, I posted this before but here in part 2 of this news video they are interviewing a nun about 2.00 in to the video listen to her, she says what benny hinn said happened there did not happen. Now either she lied or mr. hinn did. This is serious and I haven’t found an explanation of this. Who is lying here? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhlJemoaR5s&feature=related
    People are tired of lies, deception, to further someones agenda. Do they not understand that this isn’t their church but Gods church? That Jesus Christ paid for the sins of this world with his blood on calvary? This has never been about money, Isa 55:1 Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price. Freely he gave hallelujah, He gave so that I might live.
    I just pray that if some of these false teachers truly humble themselves and repent that somehow they will find help. Ted Haggard tried to get help and he said no one would listen to him, and in the end he was kicked out. I don’t have enough understanding for all of this but I do pray for a right spirit, and I do pray for these false leaders. I just want them to stop. Thanks for sharing on here, and having this forum. God bless

  365. Peter says:

    Well, even if this isn’t true, there are plenty of reasons to stay away from Hinn.

  366. paul yen says:

    Dear Benny Hinn,
    All the best to you,
    Wish you a happy married life, atleast now onwards,
    God bless you
    I have been your partner for the past 16 years, invested for His kingdom,
    Please forgive them who do not know what they do.
    I am blessed by your ministry
    So thank you.

  367. Rene says:

    Dear Benny Hinn

    Heard about your recent problems with your publisher that has brought a suit against you for breaking the morals clause in your contract. I find myself wondering how you are going to be getting out of that situation since no matter how you look at it – give the money back and you admit that you indeed LIED to your followers or not to give the money back and face an open trial where you are publicly exposed and still have to give the money back.

    May you finally own up to the truth and press those that follow you to instead accept the wonderful gift given them by Jesus that opens relationship with God.

    As to your marriage, a divorce is indeed very possible since there was adultery involved – but your wife is going to have to be the one that files for it since it is the innocent party alone that has the right to do such.

    Rene

  368. Erin says:

    This is really so sad that The National Enquirer would stoop so low. It isn’t a good picture but to me it looks doctored. Though it does have a convenient resemblence….i know what the media is capable of doing with the magic of photo editing programs. I say, if there is anything wrong being done, let God be their judge because I most certainly am not going to be. If there is wrong, it will be brought to light through a reputible source in due time.

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