Patricia King: “You Can Prophesy!”

In the video below, Patricia King assures you that you can prophesy!

King claims that there is an urgency to release of the Word of God into the earth like never before.  What she’s not telling you is that the Word of God has been released into the earth, and it came in the form of God’s only begotten Son, only those who look for further revelation don’t accept it.

John 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:14-16:

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.
16 And of his fullness have all we received, and grace for grace.

Sola Scriptura basically means that you accept that God’s Word alone is sufficient for all knowledge, understanding, and life-giving truth for salvation.  You believe that the Word of God is infallible and authoritative, and reveals all the truth He purpsed to reveal.  However, many are attempting to step outside of what God has revealed in His Word concerning Himself and are looking for additional, or extra revelation.  Those who do so step into the realm of the occult and flatly reject Sola Scriptura.  Patricia King is one of those people.

Those looking for further revelation are those who don’t follow the command given in Matthew 17:5 by God Himself, and whether they know it or not, they give the impression that because God is still revealing Himself through prophets today, His revelation through His Son is somewhat incomplete.

They would never admit it, but that’s exactly what they’re doing.

Matthew 17:5:  While he was still speaking, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them; and behold, a voice out of the cloud, saying, “This is My beloved Son, with whom I am well-pleased; listen to Him!”

Instead of taking lessons from Patricia King on how to prophesy, let’s do what God commanded and listen to His Son instead.

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40 Responses to Patricia King: “You Can Prophesy!”

  1. TeXaCo says:

    I’m sorry, I just couldn’t make it through the video…..2 mins was too much. How is it possible that God’s word can be twisted like this. I know….I know. Just very frustrating.

  2. Robin says:

    The issues I have with PK, is this is typical make it up as you go theology.

    Unfortunately, this has become the norm for contemporary charismatic behavior.

    Almost all of the people featured on this site are “make it up as you go” or “copy-cat the other guy theology” or the “newest, biggest, latest revelation” nonsense.

    These guys shouldn’t be treated as if they are Christians who are are slightly off track theologically. These guys are totally making it up, promoting their wild imaginations, and telling tall tales.

  3. My mother in law follows her closely and also followed bentley in florida. Their church has been closed 11 months now. They are off being apostles and having fun. I wonder where this will lead. I am very tired of false prophets but I don’t want to hurt the wheat by pulling tares. There will come a time for the separation, the harvest. I would like to see everyone set free. But when we choose certain things we get certain results. Lord help me to choose you Jesus and keep me from false apostles and don’t let my love turn cold. Strengthen my faith in you Jesus!

  4. Jimmie Krack Korn says:

    Who needs God to GIVE us gifts…all we need is Bill Johnson’s Healing School, Dennis Cramer’s Prophcy school, Perry Stone’s Tongues Teaching Tour, Barbie Breathitt’s Dream Interpretation School, and now Patrica King. She is so creepy to me. I have a hard time watching her. When you pray for discernment and start to use it, people like her have my “meter” going full blast. I watched that video of Beni Johnson…same thing. These people talk about visiting with angels like it is ordering a whopper from Burger King. Just everyday, boring really another angel…. creepy.

  5. Just Me says:

    What was wrong with what she said? I heard her say, speaking what the word already says is prophesying. Can someone explain the problem?

  6. Jimmie Krack Korn says:

    The bible says in Romans 10:2, “For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.” Which means we need to exercise knowledge through the studying of the Word. NAR folks push radiant enthusiasm as a right to a gift. And rather than God choosing you to give a gift when you are ready, NAR folks have you just come and learn the “tricks.” I know it sounds scriptural what they do sometimes, but they will not refuse any paying person to come LEARN what God gives freely to those who WAIT. What you end up with are inexperienced individuals many seeking fleshly manifestations to satisfy thier need for signs and wonders and Satan is all to happy to accomodate these individuals…with familiar spirits to enhance your prophecying pleasure, demonic-angelic visions appearing as “servants of righteousness” …the harm is endless to what can result from immature yet zealful “seekers” delving into a realm and mixing it up with “spirits” that have been around since Gen.1:1-2. And who take thier orders from Satan. This is not entertainment. The fruits of Satanic involvement are DEVASTATING. Remember dropping Jesus’ name and calling on angels DOES NOT MAKE ONE A BIBLE BELIEVING CHRISTIAN.

  7. michael henry says:

    Dear Just me; there is so much wrong with everything she says, it couldn’t possibly be answered in a comment section. If you are honestly bewildered by the comments you read versus what Ms. King says, I suggest you are on the correct path towards discernment: rightly dividing the word of God. To begin, I suggest studying what the Bible has to say regarding prophets, the qualifications of prophets, and then google out alot of sites and opinions regarding prophets, always comparing them to the actual Word of God. A good place to start for example might be Deu 13:1-3. Good hunting.

  8. Mike A says:

    Just me,

    I hope you are sincere in wanting to know the truth, because Patricia King is really playing a dangerous game. PK states (trying to use scripture) that NOTHING happens on earth w/o a prophetic voice first proclaiming it. Think about that for a moment – The LORD is limited in power w/o little ol’ you and me speaking out the NEW WORDs of God for today. Doesn’t that in itself seems like the LORD must not be so powerful?

    I take you to Genesis 1:3 Then God said (and it happened). There were no people at this time. God spoke and it came to be. God spoke and the heavens and earth were formed. God spoke and light separated the darkness. You get the idea.

    What God wills happens. He does not need us mere mortals to do anything – not one thing on earth. I take you now to Acts 9 – was it “prophesied” that Paul would meet Jesus on the road to Damascus? Not anywhere I have read. God does not need us – we should count it as a blessing that he chooses to use us as conduits of His unending love.

    I am not one to place, but those are just a few things that jumped out to me after watching this video. best wishes on finding the truth.

    Jimmie Krack Korn – what is this “Perry Stone Tongue Teaching Tour”? I haven’t heard about this (I once read a book by Perry, thought it was decent, watched his TV show and decoded to never again do that…very creepy).

  9. Xander says:

    Maybe the blasphemy is in a different clip.

  10. Bill Fawcett says:

    >I heard her say, speaking what the word already says is prophesying. Can someone explain the problem?

    Simple, they don’t just speak what the (Canon) Word already says.

    An example, from this video, spoken “prophetically” by Patricia King, is the concept of a “landing strip.” God is not subservient to the whims of man. The scripture from Amos 3:7 has been siezed upon as the battle cry of the prophetic. The application is over-blown; it must be tempered with the whole counsel of the scripture.

    She says, “what the prophetic is, is to speak, or act, on behalf of God.” Sounds good, but in application the teach that it is ok to prophesy wrong, wbecausethat is how you learn, and we all see in part. The Word says of such prophets “Their visions are false and their divinations a lie. They say, “The LORD declares,” when the LORD has not sent them; yet they expect their words to be fulfilled.”

    I’d like to hear Pat Cocking teach on Ezekial 13 sometime.

  11. Bill Fawcett says:

    spel cheked

    >I heard her say, speaking what the word already says is prophesying. Can someone explain the problem?

    Simple, they don’t just speak (just) what the (Canon) Word already says.

    An example, from this video, spoken “prophetically” by Patricia King, is the concept of a “landing strip.” God is not subservient to the whims of man. The scripture from Amos 3:7 has been siezed upon as the battle cry of the prophetic. The application is over-blown; it must be tempered with the whole counsel of the scripture.

    She says, “what the prophetic is, is to speak, or act, on behalf of God.” Sounds good, but in application they teach that it is ok to prophesy wrong, becausethat is “how you learn, and we all see in part.” The Word says of such prophets “Their visions are false and their divinations a lie. They say, “The LORD declares,” when the LORD has not sent them; yet they expect their words to be fulfilled.”

    I’d like to hear Pat Cocking teach on Ezekial 13 sometime.

  12. Eli says:

    God needs a landing strip??? more putrid bunk spewed out of the mouth of a false prophet. I’m with you Jimmie, PK creeps me out too. My dicernment meter begins to smoke when I watch her. But you know, i can see how those who don’t know their bible, could fall for this rubish. Hey, I fell for a great deal of it myself way back when, it’s easy to do.

  13. Xander says:

    Michael Henry –

    Are you saying that Patricia King is saying that people should follow another God?

  14. Xander says:

    Bill Fawcett –

    I see what you are saying, but I don’t think she is claiming to be a prophetess. There is a difference between a message from a prophet, who delivers a Thus Says the Lord, and a prophetic message which is a message from God to edify a person. Usually with a prophetic word, you will hear the person say I feel like God is saying blah. It is not a command or a judgment like the Old Testament prophets would bring.

    I am trying to figure out the landing strip analogy. I can see where if you receive a message from God and open yourself up to receive it, it can manifest. I can see it if God tells you that He has a ministry for you that you have no experience in and you open yourself up to God, so that He can manifest the gifts needed. Compared to God telling you that about a ministry and it being rejected as not being possible beucase you can not see how it will happen. I am not sure that is what she is saying, so she could be truly off base with her comment.

  15. lyn says:

    The canon is closed, so how can anyone claim to be a prohet/prophetess?
    A prophet is one who fortells future events, as revealed to them by God. Those events MUST come to pass, or the prophet is proven a phony. God has already given us the future in His word, what needs to be added? There is no new revelation from God, He has given us all we need in His Holy Word.
    It is those who are bible illiterate that follow the likes of Patricia King

  16. Xander says:

    Eph 4:11-13 And it is he who gifted some to be apostles, others to be prophets, others to be evangelists, and still others to be pastors and teachers, (12) to perfect the saints, to do the work of ministry, and to build up the body of Christ (13) until all of us are united in the faith and in the full knowledge of God’s Son, and until we attain mature adulthood and the full standard of development in Christ.

    Nothing mentioned about the canon being closed. I don’t recall any where in the scriptures where the canon being closed is a requirement. Must be something that man created then.

    Paul considered himself a prophet, but I don’t recall any future events being predicted by him. Same goes with Barnabas. Must be a different type of prophet or the Bible contradicts itself.

  17. David says:

    Just Me and Xander,

    Don’t try to look too hard for where the falsities lie. I could certainly spend a good amount of time picking apart the specific things Patricia said and show you how they don’t match up with what the Word says (Mike A has already begun doing a good job of that).

    The problem is that her focus is not on Jesus Christ. The general issue with charismaniacs (those obsessed with prophecy, miracles, outpourings of the spirit, and the anointing) is that Jesus Christ is not the center of their faith – the spiritual gifts are. Although they may claim to worship Jesus, they actually worship these “gifts”, which in and of themselves are quite dubious to begin with.

    I have witnessed healing first hand in my own life, and I am so grateful that God took away my suffering. But I do not worship that healing – I worship God. He does not promise healing, he does not promise miracles, but we worship Him anyway because He is good, holy and righteous. The “problem” is that although Patricia is using Christian language, and quoting from the Christian Bible and even talking about a Christian concept, her focus is not on encouraging others to have a deep meaningful relationship with the God of Israel, but on attaining his “stuff” (i.e. gifts of prophecy).

    This is not Christianity. This is idolatry. Plain and simple.

  18. Xander says:

    Crystal

    I think it is easier to say that I think that other works can be inspired by God. I will say that anything written or spoken must be measured against the Bible and if it fails that standard then it is not from God.

    Do you think that God has stopped speaking to His children except through scripture?

    How long did it take before the church got back to justification by faith alone? It had been in scripture all that time, but people lost it. Was it man’s intellect that figured it out or revelation from God? Scripture is part of God’s Word but who can understand it apart from God? If we do not have God revealing His message today, then people are relying on their own intellect to understand God and now God has been replaced as those people’s focus.

  19. Xander says:

    David

    You are generalizing when you say that Charismatic are not focused on Jesus. In fact, He is our focus. We can do nothing apart from Him. The spiritual gifts are a product from being with Jesus and they testify to His greatness. If anyone changes that focus, then they have made an idol out of His gift, but don’t assume that we all are that way.

    I have never seen her before, but Patricia is promoting a relationship with God. How do you listen to the voice of God and not have a personal relationship with Him? If I am not in the presence of God, I am not going to hear anything from Him. If I am not saved, I am not going to hear a word of encouragement. I am not saying her ministry is right, but make sure you understand what she is saying before attacking her.

    • Chrystal says:

      Xander, if you have never seen her before, then I would encourage you to research her before you endorse her and argue in her defense.

  20. Xander says:

    Crystal

    Sorry. I meant to answer it. Yes, Jesus is compete and lacking nothing.

    I never endorsed her and only defended against the attacks that were incorrectly made. I didn’t want people to get caught up in generalized claims against charismatics or misstating the Bible.

    • Chrystal says:

      Xander,

      For the record, I don’t believe all charismatic believers can be indicted under the same charges as people like Patricia King. There are many charismatic churches who reject Benny Hinn, Patricia King, Kenneth Copeland, John Crowder, Todd Bentley, Rick Joyner, etc.

  21. fourpointer says:

    Xander,

    You still have not fully answered Chrystal’s question. She was not asking if Jesus was complete–she was asking if God has finished giving us written revelations–that is the “Word of God” she is talking about.

    The argument that “Nothing mentioned about the canon being closed. I don’t recall any where in the scriptures where the canon being closed is a requirement. Must be something that man created then” is one that has been bandied about by Mormons and other heretics of all stripes for these last couple thousand years. Would you say that the Book of Mormon is “inspired?” Well, if the argument is that the canon is not closed, then who are you to say “No”? If the canon is not closed, then the Mormon has every right to argue that the BOM is in fact “Another Testament of Jesus Christ.”

    Yes, God does still “speak” to us–but we must be careful about what we mean by that statement. If one is saying that God still “speaks” by “new revelations” that are given in addition to His complete, written word–then if that person is not, in fact, hearing words from God Himself they are in danger of committing sin. Proverbs 30:5-6–Every word of God is pure; He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him. Do not add to His words, lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar. So, if a person is placing their “new revelation” alongside God’s own words, and giving them equal value, then the person is a liar and subject to the wrath of God (Of course, many times, when an “extreme prophetic” is confronted with these words of God, the usual charge they throw back is by calling the person a “Pharisee”–a silly charge that is downright laughable, since it was the Pharisees who added to God’s written word, while it was Christ who explained the truth of God’s written word).

    Bottom line: Patricia King has been using the cloak of “prophecy” to spread the cancerous belief that what she says comes from God thus making God, in effect, a liar. If one follows her, that person is in danger of promoting heresy, and will be found just as guilty as Ms. King when they stand before God.

    PS–
    As for your comment that “Paul considered himself a prophet, but I don’t recall any future events being predicted by him”, see the following passages–
    <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rom%2011:25-26&version=NKJV"Romans 11:25-26 (Foretelling the eventual salvation of many of Israel).
    1st Corinthians 15:23-28 (Foretelling the end of all things)
    1st Corinthians 3:11-15 and 2nd Corinthians 5:10 (Foretelling about the Judgment Seat of Christ).
    1st Thessalonians 4:13-17 (Foretelling about the Rapture).
    2nd Thessalonians 1:9-10 (Foretelling about the future destruction of the enemies of Christ’s church).
    2nd Thessalonians 2:1-11 (Foretelling about the “Man of Lawlessness”).
    1st Timothy 4:1-3 and 2nd Timothy 3:1-9 and 2nd Timothy 4:3-4 (Foretelling about how those in the last days–that is, the time we are living in right now–will not be satisfied with hearing from God’s written word, but will need to have their ears tickled by fables, stories, entertainment, and signs and wonders).

  22. Xander says:

    ** Well, if the argument is that the canon is not closed, then who are you to say “No”? If the canon is not closed, then the Mormon has every right to argue that the BOM is in fact “Another Testament of Jesus Christ.” **

    The Mormon has every right to make that argument, but as I said, it has to be in agreement with the Bible. To say revelation about God has ended any in form, Is not accurate. Is there new revelation? That can be tricky. It might be new to a person, but I do not think it is new to humanity. When Paul commended the Bereans for searching out in scripture, what scripture would they have used? It sure wasn’t the closed canon that we have today. Besides, doesn’t John say the Word of God is Jesus?

    ** So, if a person is placing their “new revelation” alongside God’s own words, and giving them equal value, then the person is a liar and subject to the wrath of God (Of course, many times, when an “extreme prophetic” is confronted with these words of God, the usual charge they throw back is by calling the person a “Pharisee”–a silly charge that is downright laughable, since it was the Pharisees who added to God’s written word, while it was Christ who explained the truth of God’s written word). **

    Using the standard lyn provided for prophets, lets look at Paul. His future predictions have not come to pass, so we know he is a phony. That is the comment I was responding to when dealing with a closed canon, and since you did not disagree with lyn, I would assume that you think the same way. So now, we have the apostle to the gentiles is shown to be a phony. Rather reassuring that so many of his writtings are in the closed canon. You can see why I made that comment.

    As I have said before, I am not defending Patricia King. I am objecting to a few generalizations and misuses of scripture by people who are discrediting her.

    I can see how those would be seen as future predictions for Paul. I have always seen them as Paul eanswering questions that were presented to him by those who were unsure of the return of Jesus. Good thing Paul encouraged the chuch at Corinth for not lacking any spiritual gift until the revealing of Jesus. That way we can discern fact from fable.

  23. Mike A says:

    for the record

    I am one of those charismatics who do not endorse the likes of Hinn, King, Crowder, Joyner, Bentley, Copeland, Murdoch, Stone, GodTV, TBN, Jones…the list goes on and on.

    I believe the canon of scripture is closed. There is no new revelation.

    I am also a very unique charismatic (apparently) in my beliefs.

  24. fourpointer says:

    Using the standard lyn provided for prophets, lets look at Paul. His future predictions have not come to pass, so we know he is a phony.

    I guess you would say that Jesus is a phony, too, because we have not seen the “Abomination of Desolation” yet? See, when a person who calls themselves a “prophet” makes a prediction–one they claim to be “from God”–and the event does not come to pass, then they are a false prophet. For example, Benny Hinn predicted that Fidel Castro would die in the 1990′s. He is still alive, so Benny Hinn is a false prophet. Patricia King makes outrageous claims that are contradictory to the word of God–therefore, she is a false prophetess.

    So, just what exactly do you consider to be the final authority on faith? The written word of God? Or people’s subjective feelings that they label as “a word from the LORD”? I assure you, anyone who claims to have new “prophecies” in addition to what God has written is a liar, and a fraud, and will suffer the wrath of God.

    As I have said before, I am not defending Patricia King. I am objecting to a few generalizations and misuses of scripture by people who are discrediting her.

    She doesn’t need US to discredit her. Just by being as whacky as she is, she discredits herself.

  25. Tamar says:

    In ACTS chapter 2: 17-18 did Peter not talk about the gift of prophecy being widespread in the last days with the outpouring of the Holy Ghost? Or was he only pertaining to the last days which took place during Pentecost? I don’t understand why this gift which Paul tells us to eagerly desire in I Corinthians 14:1 is so eagerly shot down within the body of Christ today. What a shame. Patricia King has it right, “all can prophesy,” if they truly seek the gift and not with selfish motives, but to the glory of our Lord and Savior, Jesus.

  26. Chrystal says:

    Tamar,

    See fourpointer’s post above. That about says it all!

  27. shane says:

    does Patricia King “have it right” about green angels?

  28. Steve Meikle says:

    Concerning prophecy today: the implication that God, if he were revealing Himself through prophecy today, would be saying that His revelation in scripture would have been incomplete, does not follow .

    The closed canon of scripture does not mean that the gift of prophecy should have ceased.

    Indeed there is no shred of evidence in scripture that the gifts of the Spirit should have ceased

    The canon of scripture is not there for us to reject prophecies dreams and revelation, for St Paul said he wished that all could prophecy. The canon of scripture is given as the benchmark for determining the validity of any dream and revelation received

    It is written that the letter kills but the Spirit gives life. This is not to pose a false dichotomy between the two but neither is it to reject one for the other.

    I must in all seriousness say that I hold as deeply considered principle that to reject charismatic manifestation on principle, the lunacy of many notwithstanding, is to quench the Spirit

    The many revelations God has given me were not to have me throw away scripture, they were to show me what was plain in the Bible but which I had in unbelief ignored.

    The Spirit speaking to me today, verbally, and in person, (though not audibly nor as visible apparition) is in fact His grace to me. He leads me by personal persuasion, as a loving father patiently leading a recalcitrant child to acknowledge my sin and repent where Bible reading alone could only describe what needed to be done, but not do it.

    Where in any of this is false doctrine?

    THerefore my charismatic experiences have not made me reject sola scriptura as regards the benchmark for determining the value of experiences, rather it has had me hold more seriously to sola scriptura than ever before.

    But the Bible was not crucified for me and did not rise on the third day. Rejecting experience is to reject relationship. When the Bible says “taste and see the Lord is good” it is saying “experience Me in person”. Failure to do that is to disobey the Bible itself

    Of course many maniacs and cranks use “revelation” to peddle nonsense and heresy, but the principle of continuing revelation of the Spirit to reveal to us what we are too blind to read in the plain text of scripture (and ye we are that carnal) must continue if we are to have any victory over sin.

    The proper solutin to charismatic excess is not a dead church. The dictum “abusus non tolit usum” ( abuse does not detract from valid use) most definitely applies here.

    People seek charismatic movements as the other churches really are dead, their adherents joyless. The heresy of the charismatics is to flagrantly abuse this, to offer counterfeit not reality.

    But though they have no faith and so have not the reality they speak of, they speak correctly of a direct and personal relationship with the Spirit.

    The opposite of their error is the opposite error

  29. Steve Meikle says:

    30 seconds of Ms King is enough. She is a false prophet. She has no notion that before one can prophecy properly one must be bought to repentance of sin that one would not presume to prophecy from one’s own imagination.

    the word that achieves godly things is the living word of God, ie that which is spoken by the Holy SPirit here and now, not spoken by chrstians spouting the dead letter of out of context and abused scripture, and casting magic spells causing havoc and taking the Name in vain.

    the thinking here is witchcraft, seeking to dominate and control by real or imagined appeals to the supernatural

    telling carnal believers that they can simply prophecy just like that, is like giving small children a gasoline can and a book of matches.

    But even so, I cannot reject the true prophetic ministry as it was a prophetic word from a total stranger that alerted my attention to the danger that i was falling away into legalism.

    All this kind of madness from this kind of false prophet causes the true charismatic things to come into disrepute, and this leads to a quenching of the Spirit just as the Church did with Montanus way back in th e3rd or 4th century

  30. fourpointer says:

    Steve said It is written that the letter kills but the Spirit gives life. This is not to pose a false dichotomy between the two but neither is it to reject one for the other.

    This, however, is an improper interpretation of this verse. Paul is not saying that the written word of God brings death and the gifts of the spirit bring life. If you continue reading the verses that follow that statement (the whole passage is found in 2nd Corinthians 3:4-11), he is saying that the written Law of God, graven on tablets brings death but that Law of the Holy Spirit, written on our hearts, gives life to those who are in Christ (see Romans 8:1-4). Your misinterpretation of this passage is one more illustration of why it is important that we understand what God has said in His written word, and not subject the written word to charlatans and attention-seekers like Patricia King and other false prophets.

    I must in all seriousness say that I hold as deeply considered principle that to reject charismatic manifestation on principle, the lunacy of many notwithstanding, is to quench the Spirit.

    Ah yes, the old “If you reject tongues and miracles, you are blaspheming the Holy Spirit” argument that many in our home church were subjected to in the churches they grew up in. That kind of a statement is made by those who want to keep their sheeple under subjection to the “bishop” (or “apostle” or “prophet” or whatever other kind of “mantle” they want to cloak themselves with).

    Thing is, whenever Jesus wanted to demonstrate who He was to the unbelieving, did He perform “signs and wonders”? No; in fact He called those who wanted a sign “an adulterous generation.”
    –Whenever He needed to show the Pharisees who He was, He appealed to…….drum roll please……The Scriptures!!
    –When He was withstanding the temptations from Satan, did He turn rocks into bread? NO. He quoted……that’s right–Scripture.
    –When Paul went into a synagogue on a Sabbath, to teach about Christ and to show He was their Messiah, did Paul heal the sick and raise the dead? No; he opened up……The Scriptures.

    The gift of prophecy, since the end of the apostles, was not an office where one received direct “revelation” from God. It is a gift that allows us to understand the Scriptures and proclaim them to a world that does not know Christ. And we teach that lost and dying world about Christ using……well, I think you know the answer.

    People seek charismatic movements as the other churches really are dead, their adherents joyless.

    You obviously haven’t been to our home church, or you wouldn’t say such a silly thing.

  31. Steve Meikle says:

    fourpointer, i have heard the “my church is different” argument so many times over 32 years a christian that I am not in the least impressed by it, in fact it comes to confirm everything i think on the matter.

    I am not here to argue the point.

    If your life is superabundant, you have peace beyond understanding, joy flowing out of you like a fountain (ie spring of living water), then well and good. And yes you DO know the scriptures i refer to here without my needing to spoon feed you.

    But if your life is not these things, you are walking in the flesh, and in the dark, full of unbelief, especially if you follow the common religious consensus view that “he never said it would be easy”.

    If you think that Bible reading alone will renew your mind then you have not faced your unbelief, and in fact have only buried it deep where it will fester. Using scripture to repress ungodly thought is completely counterfeit and is highly dangerous. But if you reject a personal relationship with the Spirit (I was not talking about tongues, which I never do anyway, or miracles, because every miracle story i hear is nonsense) then what else have you but will of the flesh.

    the Bible is a magical tome which ex opere operandum (a catholic term meaning by virtue of the doing) cleanses of sin and makes wise? Hence my view that the Bible is worshipped by protestants, and in so being addressed is in fact defied

    I know whom I have experienced. If you can only jeer so be it.

    I am gone from here

  32. fourpointer says:

    If you think that Bible reading alone will renew your mind then you have not faced your unbelief, and in fact have only buried it deep where it will fester. Using scripture to repress ungodly thought is completely counterfeit and is highly dangerous. But if you reject a personal relationship with the Spirit (I was not talking about tongues, which I never do anyway, or miracles, because every miracle story i hear is nonsense) then what else have you but will of the flesh.

    Yeah, who needs that silly old Bible, anyway, when one has their subjective “feelings” and “experiences.” Why test everything against God’s written word, when we have so many “new revelations” like our Mormon and Roman Catholic Mystic friends.

    And no, I don’t “worship” the Bible. I worship the One who spoke the words of my Bible to the men who wrote it (Psst–that would be the Holy Spirit. So, basically, with your last comment you have effectively mocked the One you claim to have “experienced”).

  33. Xander says:

    Fourpointer,

    “I assure you, anyone who claims to have new “prophecies” in addition to what God has written is a liar, and a fraud, and will suffer the wrath of God.”

    The New Testament writers were giving us new “prophecies” while using what God had written. These new writing that we hold as God’s Word are based on their experiences that they had with God while using our Old Testament. The Old Testament writers based what they wrote off of the Torah and their experiences with God. The Torah is based off people’s experiences with God.

    Experience with God is necessary to any believer. We see what happened with Israel when they rejected a personal experience with God and rather rely on what they read to follow God. The two have to go hand in hand. Unless you feel like we can no longer experience God.

    You are right though. When Jesus had to correct the religious authorities who would rather hold to the letter of the law instead of the spirit in which it given, He always went back to the scripture. Satan took scripture out of context and Jesus corrected him using scripture. Of course when Paul went to Athens, he didn’t reference the scripture when talking about the unnamed god, but rather allowed the Spirit of God to move in him and reveal God apart from scripture.

    I am not denying the need to be biblically sound. The Bible should be what we base any claim from God on. I do not feel that we should deny the experience with God either. The Pharisees became dead to the movement of God as they held to the letter of the scriptures alone. Can you know what love is unless you experience it? It can be defined, but not understood. I can read about God in the Bible, but unless I experience Him, do I know Him?

  34. lyn says:

    Keep in mind, when the New Testament was yet being written, the canon was not yet closed. So, much of what was being written was indeed prophetic.
    As for ‘experiencing God’, this is dangerous. Following Christ is NOT based on human emotion, it is based on obedience. Christ calls us to obedience, not some emotional rush. “If you love Me, keep My commandments.”-John 14:15
    Do not try and reach God man’s way, the only way to know Him is through Christ and His word. To base knowing God on human fleshly experiences is not biblical, nor is it pleasing in God’s sight. You can get into His presence, as Isaiah did and cried out ‘woe is me, for I am undone!’ {Isaiah 6:5}. Truly getting into His presence will cause you to see your own unworthiness, which results in much praise and gratitude for what He has done. It doesn’t produce a fleshly ‘high’ based on what you think His presence is, it produces a sense of awe, brokenness, quietness, and reverence. It doesn’t produce erradict behavior, running around with your arms flinging wildly out of control, uncontrollable laughter, or other unholy disrespectful behaviors.

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