The Lord Takes False Prophecy Very Seriously

I hear people like Kim Clement, Patricia King, Stacey Campbell, Mike Bickle, Paul Cain, Jack Deere, Che Ahn, Bob Jones, Todd Bentley, Winnie Banov, etc. prophesy only good things most of the time.  Not judgment.  We all know they are false prophets, but sometimes I think we forget just how seriously God takes false prophecy.  And, even if we don’t, it’s always good to be reminded from time to time.

Hear the Word of God on this matter:

Jeremiah 23:13-40:

13 “Moreover, among the prophets of Samaria I saw an offensive thing: They prophesied by Baal and led My people Israel astray.

14 “Also among the prophets of Jerusalem I have seen a horrible thing: The committing of adultery and walking in falsehood; And they strengthen the hands of evildoers, So that no one has turned back from his wickedness. All of them have become to Me like Sodom, And her inhabitants like Gomorrah.

15 “Therefore thus says the LORD of hosts concerning the prophets, ‘Behold, I am going to feed them wormwood And make them drink poisonous water, For from the prophets of Jerusalem Pollution has gone forth into all the land.’”

16 Thus says the LORD of hosts, “Do not listen to the words of the prophets who are prophesying to you. They are leading you into futility; They speak a vision of their own imagination, Not from the mouth of the LORD.

17 “They keep saying to those who despise Me, ‘The LORD has said,” You will have peace”‘; And as for everyone who walks in the stubbornness of his own heart, They say, ‘Calamity will not come upon you.’

18 “But who has stood in the council of the LORD, That he should see and hear His word? Who has given heed to His word and listened?

19 “Behold, the storm o the LORD has gone forth in wrath, Even a whirling tempest; It will swirl down on the head of the wicked.

20 “The anger of the LORD will not turn back Until He has performed and carried out the purposes of His heart; In the last days you will clearly understand it.

21 “I did not send these prophets, But they ran. I did not speak to them, But they prophesied.

22 “But if they had stood in My council, Then they would have announced My words to My people, And would have turned them back from their evil way And from the evil of their deeds.

23 “Am I a God who is near,” declares the LORD, “And not a God far off?

24 “Can a man hide himself in hiding places, So I do not see him?” declares the LORD. “Do I not fill the heavens and the earth?” declares the LORD.

25 “I have heard what the prophets have said who prophesy falsely in My name, saying, ‘I had a dream, I had a dream!’

26 “How long? Is there anything in the hearts of the prophets who prophesy falsehood, even these prophets of the deception of their own heart,

27 who intend to make My people forget My name by their dreams which they relate to one another, just as their fathers forgot My name because of Baal?

28 “The prophet who has a dream may relate his dream, but let him who has My word speak My word in truth. What does straw have in common with grain?” declares the LORD.

29 “Is not My word like fire?” declares the LORD, “and like a hammer which shatters a rock?

30 “Therefore behold, I am against the prophets,” declares the LORD, “who steal My words from each other.

31 “Behold, I am against the prophets,” declares the LORD, “who use their tongues and declare, ‘The Lord declares.’

32 “Behold, I am against those who have prophesied false dreams,” declares the LORD, “and related them, and led My people astray by their falsehoods and reckless boasting; yet I did not send them or command them, nor do they furnish this people the slightest benefit,” declares the LORD.

33 “Now when this people or the prophet or a priest asks you saying, ‘What is the oracle of the LORD?’ then you shall say to them, ‘What oracle?’ The LORD declares, ‘I shall abandon you.’

34 “Then as for the prophet or the priest or the people who say, ‘The oracle of the LORD,’ I shall bring punishment upon that man and his household.

35 “Thus shall each of you say to his neighbor and to his brother, ‘What has the LORD answered?’ or, ‘What has the LORD spoken?’

36 “For you will no longer remember the oracle of the LORD, because every man’s own word will become the oracle, and you have perverted the words of the living God, the LORD of hosts, our God.

37 “Thus you will say to that prophet, ‘What has the LORD answered you?’ and, ‘What has the LORD spoken?’

38 “For if you say, ‘The oracle of the LORD!’ surely thus says the LORD, ‘Because you said this word,” The oracle of the LORD !”I have also sent to you, saying,” You shall not say,’ The oracle of the LORD !’ “‘

39 “Therefore behold, I shall surely forget you and cast you away from My presence, along with the city which I gave you and your fathers.

40 “And I will put an everlasting reproach on you and an everlasting humiliation which will not be forgotten.”

This entry was posted in Blasphemy, Deception, Demonic, False Doctrine, False Prophets, Hypercharismatics, Joel's Army, Kansas City Prophets, Manifest Sons of God, Mysticism, New Apostolic Reformation, New Mystics, Patricia King, Seducing Spirits, Signs and Wonders, Strange Fire, Third Wave and tagged , , , , , , , . Bookmark the permalink.

19 Responses to The Lord Takes False Prophecy Very Seriously

  1. James says:

    Ah, that pesky little thing called Scripture. Always gets in the way of selling pomegranate anointing oil, teaching CDs and conferences.

  2. Doug says:

    A very good, very clear warning against false prophets. Will it fall on deaf ears? Will any of those listening to today’s false prophets ever call them to accountability? I hope so.

  3. Duane says:

    “I hear people like Kim Clement, Patricia King, Stacey Campbell, Mike Bickle, Paul Cain, Jack Deere, Che Ahn, Bob Jones, Todd Bentley, Winnie Banov, etc. prophesy only good things (edification, exhortation, comfort) most of the time. Not judgment.”

    Handling the word of truth with wisdom can be a little pesky.

    1 Corinthians 14 excerpts

    He who prophesies speaks edification and exhortation and comfort to men.

    He who prophesies edifies the church.

    I wish you all spoke with tongues, but even more that you prophesied;

    What shall I profit you unless I speak to you either by revelation, by knowledge, by prophesying, or by teaching?

    prophesying is not for unbelievers but for those who believe.

    If all prophesy, and an unbeliever or an uninformed person comes in, he is convinced by all, he is convicted by all. And thus the secrets of his heart are revealed; and so, falling down on his face, he will worship God and report that God is truly among you.

    Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others judge.

    For you can all prophesy one by one, that all may learn and all may be encouraged. And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.

    Therefore, brethren, desire earnestly to prophesy

    • Chrystal says:

      I don’t have time to answer you, I have to head out the door to work. So, I’ll leave you with a couple of links…

      http://www.gty.org/Resources/Articles/A233

      http://www.gty.org/Resources/Study+Guide+Chapter/1871

      I happen to agree with what is being said in these two chapters, so I’ll leave it at that and head off to work.

    • Duane says:

      John MacArthur wrote “To refer to the Holy Spirit’s leading and empowering ministry as inspiration or revelation is a mistake.” Paul wrote “What shall I profit you unless I speak to you either by revelation, by knowledge, by prophesying, or by teaching?” In the context he is recommending we do the same. I stick with the simple clear message of Paul and not a doctrine of men. I like John on many subjects, but disagree on the gifts. On my lunch hour half to get back to work also.

  4. ester says:

    When a “prophet” proclaims “God said it”, there is rarely any room left for discernment and testing. Such words are usually accepted uncritically by all and rapidly emailed round the world. The prophet gets affirmation, and even acclamation, from the crowds and few people seem willing to ask the hard questions. And those who do are put down with responses such as “If God has said it, isn’t that enough?”

    Unfortunately it’s not enough, for there are many verses in Scripture warning about the dangers of false prophecy. And they are there for a reason. The vessel through which all prophecy is given is fallible and both he and his words need to be tested.

    In Deuteronomy 13 a prophet may give an accurate word, but he may still be leading people away from the real truth about God. Amazingly, Scripture does not always commend prophetic accuracy! Psychic powers can parade as prophetic words of knowledge – they may even be right, but that doesn’t necessarily mean they are from God. I have seen accurate words being given by a so-called “prophet” while he was inviting donations to his offering. The words were not from God.

    Similarly, accurate words of knowledge, about someone’s healing need, can be used to encourage someone to submit to receiving a false anointing.
    Ezekiel 13 warns that when prophets say “Hear the Word of the Lord”, they may be prophesying out of their own imagination. Such words are described as lying divinations. Jeremiah 23:16 even tells the people not to listen to what the prophets are saying! For those prophets were filling the people with false hopes, speaking visions out of their own minds.

    God said “I did not send these prophets, yet they have run with their message.” (Jer.23:21). In all these cases the severest judgment of God is spoken out on those who lead the people astray through false prophetic words.

    I passionately believe in prophecy – but because I do so, I also want to test a prophetic word and its source very carefully, so as not to run the risk of being deceived. This is not doubting God, and it is being obedient to Scripture. It is in the context of prophecy that Paul commands his readers to “Test all things and only hold on to that which is good” (1 Thessalonians 5:21). Testing is not a sin. There is a dearth of real understanding about both Old and New Testament prophecy in the Body of Christ.

    In the church today it is being taught that if you are a prophet you can prophesy to anyone you want at will because you are a prophet. This doctrine violates the Word of God. The Word of God says in 1 Corinthians 12:11 the gifts of the Spirit operate as God wills, not as we will. 2 Peter 1:21 says that prophecy never comes by the will of man. When a person operates the gifts of the Spirit by his own will he opens the door to familiar spirits that are demonic to give him information. That person now becomes a Christian medium for demonic power. Even Jesus could not operate the gifts of the Spirit as He willed because He was operating as the son of man on the earth.
    “Beware of false prophets” (Matthew 7:15, KJV). These well-known words of Jesus immediately imply two things: there are false prophets – and they are dangerous.
    The existence of true and false and the danger of deception in the Christian life were not limited to the life and times of Jesus Christ. Moses, before Him, also warned the people of Israel against false prophets (Deuteronomy 13 and 18).
    Though a great many who are familiar with the Old and New Testaments are aware that there are false prophets, not as many realize that there are two major kinds of false prophets.
    • The first, the lying false prophet, announces events or says things that do not come true. He is obviously a false prophet (Deuteronomy 18:20-22). The penalty in Old Testament times was death for false prophets (18:20). This kind of false prophet is the most easily recognized and least dangerous of the two.
    • The second kind of false prophet is more deceptive (Deuteronomy 13:1-3). He is impeccable in his words at first. An exhortation comes to pass. No fault can be found with his speech. Nevertheless, over time he draws the hearts of the people away from the Lord God Almighty. Finally, he leads them off to serve other gods. This kind of person is very dangerous, indeed the more dangerous of the two.

    Four Kinds of False Prophecy
    Most of us are inclined to forget that there are false prophets. However, the frightening facts are these: there are at least two kinds of false prophets and four kinds of false prophecies. The details of these false prophecies are listed in Jeremiah 14:14.
    

• False Visions. These may come from the evil heart of the false prophet, or they may come from an evil spirit that controls him. The false visions are truly “seen” by the false prophet, but their source is devilish.


    • Divinations. This is another form of false prophecy. Diviners may examine the entrails of animals or how rice floats in water. Or they may use a thousand other ways to divine. But their information is finally false even though some things may appear to be true, and entrapment of the simple is made easy. True prophets of God do not read palms or witch water.
    
• Idolatries. This breaking of the first of the Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:3) is the third form of false prophecy. Idols in themselves are nothing, nothing at all (Jeremiah 10:1-5). However, if they are seized by demons, then the idols reflect the power of the demons involved. The Ten Commandments explicitly forbid idols or graven images of any kind. When demons empower the idols, it is not long before prophecies emerge from the demons. We dare not have anything with such demons (1 Corinthians 10:21). Their prophecies are false.
    

• Delusions. These are the final kind of false prophecy – delusions of the mind. They are not necessarily from the devil; they may simply be fabricated by the persons themselves. They are still false, however, and very dangerous. And we recall again that false prophets were under severe judgment in the Old Testament. Jeremiah reminds us that even though false prophets prophesy and say all kinds of fascinating things, the Almighty is saying, “I did not send them” (Jeremiah 14:15).



    2 Corinthians 11:1-15
    Paul and the False Apostles
    1I hope you will put up with a little of my foolishness; but you are already doing that. 2I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy. I promised you to one husband, to Christ, so that I might present you as a pure virgin to him. 3But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ. 4For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough. 5But I do not think I am in the least inferior to those “super-apostles.” 6I may not be a trained speaker, but I do have knowledge. We have made this perfectly clear to you in every way.
    7Was it a sin for me to lower myself in order to elevate you by preaching the gospel of God to you free of charge? 8I robbed other churches by receiving support from them so as to serve you. 9And when I was with you and needed something, I was not a burden to anyone, for the brothers who came from Macedonia supplied what I needed. I have kept myself from being a burden to you in any way, and will continue to do so. 10As surely as the truth of Christ is in me, nobody in the regions of Achaia will stop this boasting of mine. 11Why? Because I do not love you? God knows I do! 12And I will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us in the things they boast about. 13For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. 14And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. 15It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.
    Matthew 7:15-23
    15Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
    Four Characteristics of False Prophets
    False ministers exhibit a number of peculiar characteristics. Though not every false prophet necessarily displays all of the traits mentioned here, these are common.

    
• The Love of Preeminence. They like to be important and to have others believe and follow them. Diotrephes is a case in point. He loved to have the preeminence, but his heart was wholly evil (3 John 9). If someone has an inordinate desire to be a leader, if he thrusts himself forward to gain ascendancy, ask yourself a very important question: Is that person a false prophet?
    • The Love of Money. We know from Scripture that the love of money is the root of all evil (1 Timothy 6:10). The early Christians wrote that if a man asked for money, he was surely a false prophet.2 Those writings did not get into the New Testament, and certainly godly pastors and evangelists should encourage God’s people to give their tithes and offerings. However, if someone is always pressing for money and seems likely to benefit personally from that gift or offering – beware!
    • The Love of Immorality. Adultery and fornication are never too far removed from the doors of most false prophets (Jude 4; Revelation 2:20). Some may appear to be holy, even sanctimonious, but their apparent “purity” does not negate the rule (2 Corinthians 11:15). If you have doubts about someone, watch that person’s interpersonal behavior.
    • The Love of Miracles and Spectacles. The God of the Bible is certainly a God of miracles. No one can read the New Testament and come to any other conclusion. Faithful preaching of the Word of God even today will be followed by miracles and deliverances (Hebrews 13:8). At the same time, Jesus clearly warned that the presence of miracles and the casting out of demons are not necessarily authentications of true prophets. Rather, some who do those things, according to Scripture, may be the ones who will hear Christ’s words: “I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME” (7:23). He will say this even to those who have been using His name in the doing (Matthew 7:15-23, NASB).

As the return of Jesus Christ nears, we may expect an abundance of false prophets and ultimately the appearance of the Antichrist. He will be a man of lying signs and wonders (2 Thessalonians 2:9). We are not to be deceived.
    The Fourfold Message of the False Prophet
    False prophets never speak all lies. Rather, they speak mostly truth, but woven in and through the many true statements is a lie – probably a major lie. Paul was amazed that the Corinthian church had been taken in by pseudo-apostles (2 Corinthians 11:1-15).
    The message of the false apostle may demonstrate and/or be characterized by a number of things.
    

• He has his own gospel. Are you surprised at that? Don’t be. If the prophet is false, and inspired by the devil, he will have a special message. It will make sense. It will have its own reasons and rationale. It is also likely to be accompanied by its own miracles, and providences. This was exactly the case among the Corinthians. But do not be deceived – it is a different gospel, a different message. Even though the Corinthians knew the Apostle Paul and had been taught by him, they loved the new gospel, and it went down smoothly (2 Corinthians 11:4; see also Galatians 1:6).

    
• He has his own Jesus. If a false prophet comes to a Christian, he will need a Jesus of some kind. He will never deceive any Christian unless he has a Jesus (2 Corinthians 11:4). There are many beings called Jesus in the world, just as there are many antichrists (1 John 2:18) and many false Christs (Matthew 24:24). I learned many years ago that when someone comes to me talking about Jesus, I must wait. I wait for the verbal use of His full title. I want to discover which Jesus is being talked about. Is he the Jesus of the New Testament, of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John? Is He the Jesus Christ described by the Apostle Paul? Did He come in the flesh (1 John 4:1-3), and is he Lord of all (1 Corinthians 12:3)?
    
• He has his own spirit (2 Corinthians 11:4). There is a reason why Christians must never invite false prophets into their homes (2 John 10). It has to do with doctrine, yes, but it has much more to do with spirits and contagion. Evil power is contagious. Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses have another gospel, true. And they preach an alternate Jesus, true. But they are most dangerous because they have another spirit, an evil spirit which can do great damage in the life of a Christian. “So behind every prophet is a spirit, and behind each spirit either God or the devil.”3 The apostle did not bother to say, “Do not believe every prophet.” Rather he went straight to the point: “Do not believe every spirit. There is an urgent need for discernment among Christians. We are often too gullible, and exhibit a naive readiness to credit messages and teachings which purport to come from the spirit-world. There is such a thing, however, as a misguided charity and tolerance toward false doctrine. Unbelief (believe not every spirit) can be as much a mark of spiritual maturity as belief. 
If Christians are discerning, they will have learned the habit of disbelieving all spirits. That, in fact, is what the Apostle Paul had in mind when he said, “Despise not prophesyings. Prove all things; hold fast that which is good” (1 Thessalonians 5:20-21, KJV).

    • He has his own anointing. False prophets are sometimes very exciting and colorful. They speak with power. They may be interesting and dramatic. There is a reason for that; being false does not mean being without an anointing. He just has another kind of anointing, an alternate anointing (1 John 2:18-27). Antichrists in the New Testament are those who have substitute anointings. It is not just that they are against Jesus Christ – they are sometimes powerfully, dramatically and excitingly so. They have an alternate anointing that gives them power. The true prophet is supposed to have an anointing from the Holy Spirit of Almighty God. The false prophet has another kind of unction.
    False teachers appear to know the mind of God and they appear to be fighting on the right side. They have the ability to have others marvel at their personal accomplishments but Christ calls it iniquity. It is am amazing thing. It is self focus. I appeal to you as a church and to the church in America to examine these words in Matthew 7. Jesus Christ calls self focus iniquity. Every message no matter where it comes from where the whole purpose of the cross is just about me, it’s just about how I can better myself, it’s about how I can build six more steps to a more powerful destiny The false teachers cover it all up by prophesying, they cover it all up by seemingly having power and authority over evil, cover it all up by doing marvelous works that cause unthinking men to stand back and marvel. Jesus looks and say No it’s iniquity. The definition of iniquity in the Greek is lawless, it’s presumptuous, it’s wicked, it’s full of self assertion. It in absolute contempt to the will of God. Taking the people and focusing them inward when Christ says that the treasure of heaven is for those who focus outward. As we seek first the kingdom of God, as we seek the kingdom of God to advance as men and women find Christ as Lord and Savior he says I will add to you all the things that you need. He knows what we need before we even ask him. That why he said don’t worry about where shall we live and what shall we eat all these things. So why do these teachers focus us inward? Seek first the kingdom of God and his righteous and all these things shall be added to you.
    24Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

  5. John says:

    Last night I dared to turn on God TV for a short while to see what IHOP-KC is up to, and I have to say that I was horrified! I remember when the whole Lakeland debacle broke out, which is the very reason for devoting my time now to the study of His Word, both online and offline, and also to exhorting those around me to embrace the Scriptures as the only definite revealed will of God for our lives as Christians, and totally sufficient for our every need.

    After around half an hour of watching Kundalini type manifestations, and hearing prophetic foolishness being proclaimed from the flesh, I could bear it no longer. So thanks Chrystal, as always, for pouring the living waters of God’s own Word upon my dry and weary face this morning. :)

    I am one tired and weary Christian believer in the U.K., who is in dire need of the Lord to lead, guide and refresh my life for the glory of Christ. I am just so glad that I now know that the source of this is found within His Word, and I can eat and drink until my belly is fit to burst!

    Bless you greatly dear sis,

    John.

  6. James Jones says:

    Duane
    I wrote this to you on another site, its about IHOP however it fits here as well after your comments about the false prophets and your inability to rightly divide the word of truth.
    Maybe on the surface things have changed, at IHOP but when I went there I was introduced to all of the things you have been warned about. Having the books in the library is proof enough that there is still that spirit of deception moving among IHOP’s midst.
    Asking your friends involved is like going to a Jehovah witness and asking about some of there false teachings, you’ll get the same answer no we don’t do that, and they to are convinced that they are of the truth.
    There is a real spirit that blinds the minds of those who are under it.
    Have you ever spoken to someone face to face that you know truly to be under false doctrine, and you get this blank look as if they can’t hear you?, that’s a demon.
    Duane you say you have been around for thirty plus years in the Lord. So, that means nothing, there’s pulpits full of men or women who can boast of the same thing and there the blind leading the blind, it means nothing, except that you have been around, and instead of learning by your experience’s you have been snared by them.
    Your lack of discernment, is evident with your all embracing every form of leavened teaching flowing through the ecumenical church. You have no desire to content for the faith. Those who have been there, some for more than just a casual visit or a few seminars
    but enough to be exposed to the inner workings, of the movement, you will not listen to, as if there the ones deceived. They came out because they did not harden there heart completely to the working of the Holy Spirit. They know the spiritual power moving and flowing among the people of IHOP is not the Holy Spirit. They know that the leadership of that movement, are enemy’s of the cross of Christ, and thus enemy’s of God.
    A bad tree cannot produce good fruit, its impossible, the inception of IHOP the so called fathers of the movement were anti Christ, and it has never been repented of.
    But enough you have had more than a second admonition, if you don’t get it now your warped and sinning being self-condemned.

    • Duane says:

      Titus 3:9 “But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless. 10 Warn a divisive person once, and then warn him a second time. After that, have nothing to do with him. 11You may be sure that such a man is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned.

      James I don’t have time or want to go back and forth with you. I don’t want to be divisive. The reason I come to these sites is to try to bring people away from the extremes and try to find reasonable dialog. I went on Sad Parents site to try to assist in a small way to she her reconciled with her son.

      I find sites like this one divisive ones. We agree on the essentials of the faith, but instead of agreeing to disagree on if the gifts are in operation today we are subject to overblown blanket statements accusing us having a demon, sinning, New Age, and on and on.

      The scripture you quoted at me was about a divisive person. Someone wiser than both of us once said “In Essentials, Unity; in Non-essentials, Liberty; in All Things, Charity,” We may never agree on some issues that abundantly clear, I’ve heard your warnings you’ve done your duty.

      I have an prayer meeting to attend, not at the IHOP so relax. Tonight I’ll be praying with a group from various churches. One from the IHOP, several from very main stream churches, and a few like me tongue talking, prophesying, Bible believing nuts. It’s my favorite meeting of the week, why because of the unity and the wonderful mixture of perspectives.

  7. Casey Sabella says:

    Thank you for the scripture, but what was the message?

    Folks, if all you’ve got is warnings against false prophets, you have proven yourself thoroughly unqualified to comment. There are no warnings against false prophets that make any sense whatsoever if true prophets do not in fact exist. Why would warning anyone against false prophets have any meaning if all present day prophets are false (just because they did not live during the O.T. or first century). John MacArthur is a good reference for other things, but with regards to prophets, charismatic gifts…etc, he clings to the supremely ignorant view that these things “have passed away.”

    The challenge to today’s church is twofold: 1) train people to discern between true and false prophetic ministry, and 2) create a means through which prophetic individuals can be trained to strengthen the church. If y’all want to continue to go with the “burn the witch at the stake” approach to prophetic ministry, you will continue to lead churches that preach “the word” but that kill people with the letter (or worse, keep them fast asleep.)

    BTW, I am not a prophet, but a pastor of 35 years. I have preached over 6,000 times and have judged a few false prophets in my time. If you are hot to preach on the false, you’d better be able to point to the true.

    • Chrystal says:

      Your logic is flawed. Anyone coming and claiming to have the gift of prophecy and gives you extra-biblical revelation is false. No word-gymnastics necessary.

    • Chrystal says:

      And I deleted your last comment. Disagree with me if you like, but don’t come on here and basically call people unintelligent.

  8. Casey Sabella says:

    And so, anyone who agrees with you and trashes any/all prophetic ministry is deemed nice. Anyone who disagrees with you, is deemed not nice. I get it. If you are not prepared to enter the arena of doctrinal discussion, don’t make flip comments about others. I don’t necessarily endorse any particular prophetic ministry, but you best be careful who you label “false.” Jesus’ sternest warning was issued to religious leaders who ascribed his works to Beelzebub. You want to delete me, have at it.

    • Chrystal says:

      No, look around. There are many people around here who disagree with me and their posts are approved. Look at a poster named Duane above as an example of someone who can have a disagreement with us on Scripture, but still keep his integrity. You basically labeled the person you were disagreeing with as unintelligent, and your post was deleted. I wouldn’t think a pastor would resort to such things.

  9. shane says:

    “Casey Sabella

    I don’t necessarily endorse any particular prophetic ministry, but you best be careful who you label “false.” Jesus’ sternest warning was issued to religious leaders who ascribed his works to Beelzebub. You want to delete me, have at it.”

    Those religious leaders were not one of Jesus’ sheep. They were false teachers themselves. There are many warnings from Jesus about them and He cut them down on many occasions. That is why they attributed the working of the Holy Spirit to Beelzebub. If they were of Jesus’ sheep they would not have done so.
    Does using Biblical discernment and pointing out these false teachers equal or come close to blaspheming the Holy Spirit? No it does not. There is a HUGE difference between discernment and blasphemy.

    I would say that attributing works of the flesh and of demons to the Holy Spirit would be blaspheming the Holy Spirit. Would the Holy Spirit have a woman be “slain” only to fall down and expose herself to the congregation when her skirt of dress flies up? Would the Holy Spirit have people act totally out of control when God is not the God of chaos? Would the Holy Spirit have someone teach doctrines that are totally contradictory to the Bible? Would the Holy Spirit have someone act like a drunk when God totally forbids drunkeness in the Bible?

    “Casey Sabella

    If y’all want to continue to go with the “burn the witch at the stake” approach to prophetic ministry, you will continue to lead churches that preach “the word” but that kill people with the letter (or worse, keep them fast asleep.)”

    I must say that I find that comment humorous. The Gospel of Jesus Christ is not the “letter”. The “letter” is the Law. True Biblical teaching is not dried up, dead, cold, and etc.. Are churches that preach “the word” less Biblical than churches that depend on the imagination of some pastor to wrench and twist Scripture out of its context to fit their beliefes?

    I used to be in one of those churches that are “alive” it was the deadest I have ever been. It wasn’t until I got into “the letter” or “the word” that I came alive. I also used to be one of those “Pharisee haters”. But God used “the letter” or “the word” as you call it to open my eyes to the false prophets and teachers that Chrystal listed above. I will take the Living Word of God and sound doctrine, which according to you is deadly and sleep inducing, over whatever unbiblical experience I could have any day.

  10. Bud Press says:

    Casey Sabella:

    You wrote in part that “Folks, if all you’ve got is warnings against false prophets, you have proven yourself thoroughly unqualified to comment. There are no warnings against false prophets that make any sense whatsoever if true prophets do not in fact exist.”

    During Biblical times, there were true and false prophets. In Matthew chapter 24, Jesus’ warnings about false Christs and false prophets are an earmark of the end times, and apply to us today. God knew there would be false prophets in 2010, just as they have been since Biblical times.

    As a pastor for 35 years, you should know that the Bible devotes a great deal of print to warning against and exposing false prophets (and false teachers). You even stated that you “have judged a few false prophets” yourself. Thus, false prophets have existed, and will continue to exist until Jesus returns. And it is the responsibility of every modern-day Christian to do just as the early believers and Christians did: warn against and expose.

    That said, since you believe that modern-day prophets still exist, perhaps you would name a few (or more), and let us test what they say against what God has already said in His written word. Please confine the names to those who have been 100% accurate since the beginning of their prophetic ministry.

    In closing for now, you stated that “The challenge to today’s church is twofold: 1) train people to discern between true and false prophetic ministry, and 2) create a means through which prophetic individuals can be trained to strengthen the church.”

    But the Apostle Paul’s “charge” to Timothy and early and modern-day Christians is: “…preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction” (2 Timothy 4:2).

    Bud Press

  11. David says:

    The problem I see in charismatic circles is the mistaken assumption that as far as church meetings go, boring = dead law and a lively service = life and Spirit, and the judgements proceeding out of these false notions. The idea also that anything lively is of the flesh or that anything somber is reverential unto God is also flawed, when looked at in the light of scripture, OT and NT.
    The flesh or carnal nature of man is titellated by the carnival atmosphere produced in feigned fleshly “worship” meetings which are topped off with the cream of prophecies that are sweet and savoury and tickled the tastebuds. The flesh and has no time for the Sword of the Spirit (The Word) which cuts into and through the flesh dividing asunder between the “soul and spirit”, no desire for manna from heaven which has nothing on the zing of leeks and onions, or even the deep juicy “good to eat” fruit of deception. The bread of heaven will marr and disfigure all earthly notions of what man is to God as he is in his Adamic splendor. The bread of heaven does not sustain flesh, it sustains spirit and whatever feeds the carnal appetites in man is not of God but of the fallen estate of man. It is straw and stubble, chaff and cannot enter into heaven.
    According to God’s Word, OT and NT, line upon line precept upon precept – The very nature of God and His view on all things pertaining to life, is made known. God hasn’t changed his view on the false representations of who He is, what He says and how He is to be approached. It is uniform throughout all scripture.
    (Even the maps in the back of my bible remind me of this truth! Jeremiah 5:22 – “Do you not fear Me?’ declares the LORD. ‘Do you not tremble in My presence? For I have placed the sand as a boundary for the sea, An eternal decree, so it cannot cross over it. Though the waves toss, yet they cannot prevail; Though they roar, yet they cannot cross over it.” – God’s boundaries are eternal whether pertaining to how He is to be worshiped and represented to how far seas are allowed to flow.)
    We in charismatic or evangelical or Spirit filled churches need to see that Jesus rebuke of Satan himself as he was without disguise in Luke 4:8 – “And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.” and His rebuke of His very own disciple Peter through which Satan was speaking through Peter’s carnality in Matthew 16:23. – “But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.” are one in the same and related very much so to present day prophetic and apostolic movements to represent Jesus, Worship, Revival, Power, The World, anything; in terms, images or representations other than what God has ordained and spoken to us in His Word and by His Spirit which echoes the tone, intent and heart of the Word of God.
    Jesus said that He had not come to destroy the law and the prophets but to fulfill them. To turn the blind eye to the instruction we have received through the OT as to how God’s spokesmen should be, if they are of Him and unto Him – this would be akin to saying Jesus fulfilled outdated or unrelated notions of the Father and that present day prophets in their current manifestations of hit-or-miss accuracy, fleshly worship, vain dreamings are the new covenant fulfillments of what God really meant and by grace all these earthly and carnal expressions are now “kosher” and holy. What rot it really is in the eyes of God.
    Just as Paul the Apostle of Christ Jesus rightly discerned, was grieved towards and rebuked the woman with the spirit of divination who “prophesied” what seemed to be a religious spiritual truth about Paul and Silas and yet was not of God – so we too must be ready to approach anything not having it’s origins in God (including the use of God’s spiritual gifts) in the like manner if we are to present a spotless and blemish free bride. Wherever the sevenfold Spirit of God of Isaiah 11 is not evident or is quenched in relation to “the Spirit of the Fear of the Lord”, and propped up with “the blessings of the Lord” in prophecy we must be careful to discern. Grace and love in Jesus name.

  12. Laura says:

    Directly from their webpage!!

    Here are Some Quotes from Some of the Prophets:

    http://www.elijahlist.com/words/display_word/4129

    Lou Engle and Bob Jones:

    Bob shared again the open vision the Lord gave him in July 1999, prior to George W. Bush’s election as president. In this vision, he was surrounded by water up to the ankle, which became water to the knee. It represented a time of favor and blessing upon the righteous, but he also knew a time of “troubled waters,” was coming upon the nation. Then the Lord told him a “burning bush” would come out of Texas, someone who would incline his ear to the word of the Lord…

    Many of you may have read this previously on this Elijah List. However, what is not widely known is the last half of this vision, which I share here with Bob’s permission.
    In this vision, the Lord showed Bob if George W. Bush got elected to a second term, he would end abortion!!

    Bob also confirmed to me what we have concluded from the facts: given the age of the judges on the Supreme Court, three new justices would be appointed during the next presidential term, setting the course of the Courts for decades to come!

    The Lord also showed Bob that in his second term, George Bush would open the door to a godly successor who would be in office for two terms and would usher in full-blown, historic revival! America would thus be blessed by sixteen years of mercy and grace.
    Should this not occur, our nation will surely face the judgments of God in increasing measure for our sins. Bob made the severity of this word very, very clear to me.

    SO MUCH FOR BUSH ENDING ABORTION…SO MUCH FOR A GODLY SUCCESSOR. SHOULD THIS NOT OCCUR, ?? WHICH IS IT?? I’D SAY THEY’VE GOT THEIR BASES COVERED!

  13. David says:

    Dear Duane1 Corinthians 14 – A good and uplifting word.
    But the problem with current prophetic ministers is the high rate of false ie not true prophecies and the high level of mystic leanings not seen in NT leaders. (including the very one who wrote Corinthians)
    If the spirit of prophecy is given for exhortation then a prophet that is 75% accurate is one who gives false hope then is he not?
    If it is given for edification of the church and yet a prophetic word given leads the flock into new age portals astral projection, chasing after Mammon, lofty levels of heavenly visitation, and visions of grandious then what edification is there or building up of the true knowledge of Jesus and discipleship unto Him?

    You can’t pat a vine on the head and expect it to yield fruit. Water, sunlight, pruning and attachment to the root yields life and fruitfulness. Too much prophecy today if you discern it is vine patting and even can include the subtle detachment of branches from the root in order to tie them to “higher levels” of growth. Higher they may be in vertical elevation, but detached they also are from the root and cornerstone of their being.
    Prophecy is the testimony of Jesus Christ and if it comes to you then it comes to move you towards Jesus Christ. Prophecy is not a pep talk or a Tony Robbins motivational injection into the self. It does edify it does exhort it does comfort but not on fleshly soulish grounds. Good words always appeal to the flesh, a harsh or judging word is never appealing to the flesh. Never.
    God does give good words but a good word is not automatically an edifying word if God requires instead a true penetrating cut between soul and spirit. Pain is good when it births life. The truth hurts sometimes and we shouldn’t fear a hurtful word if it is pride being cut.

    “Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others judge.” Judgment is included in the process of prophecy for the very reason that it was in the Old testament – as a safeguard against vanity and as a tool to discern the true from the false.

    So let us continue to discuss and discern in love and pray unto God the Father for true and right prophecy.
    Remember, a judgment on false prophecy may yet in itself be prophecy. If we were to bar the discerning voice against prophecies that are seen to contradict scripture, then aren’t we judging the judging, and aren’t we therefor then no better than what we are opposing? Let the watchmen report what they see, it is upon their heads if they do not.

    28The prophet that hath a dream, let him tell a dream; and he that hath my word, let him speak my word faithfully. What is the chaff to the wheat? saith the LORD.
    29Is not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?
    30Therefore, behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that steal my words every one from his neighbour.
    31Behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that use their tongues, and say, He saith.
    32Behold, I am against them that prophesy false dreams, saith the LORD, and do tell them, and cause my people to err by their lies, and by their lightness; yet I sent them not, nor commanded them: therefore they shall not profit this people at all, saith the LORD. – Jeremiah 23

    Prayer moves where blogs cannot go and I suggest we all pray much for the Church of Jesus Christ.

Comments are closed.