Student Awakening at IHOP – The Next Lakeland?

Jude 1:1-4:

1 Jude, a bond-servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to those who are the called, beloved in God the Father, and kept for Jesus Christ: 2 May mercy and peace and love be multiplied to you.  3 Beloved, while I was making every effort to write you about our common salvation, I felt the necessity to write to you appealing that you contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints.  4 For certain persons have crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who turn the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.

 

I received an e-mail from a reader who alerted me to the new “awakening” that is happening at International House of Prayer (IHOP).  I have been keeping my eye on this lately, and given it’s growth rate, it’s time to alert the flock.  If anyone is wondering if this is similar to Lakeland – yes.  It’s not Lakeland’s identical twin, it is the same as Lakeland in a doctrinal sense, for the same spirit that drove Lakeland is fueling this.  It just reignited in a different location.  To those who are frustrated when they see this kind of thing happen, please don’t lose heart.  It’s time to step up on the wall and sound the alarm.  This is what I’m hoping to do now.

I got this news release e-mail from Strang Media Group, who publishes Charisma News Online, the Strang Report, Prophetic Insight, Fire in My Bones, and other charismatic publications.  Since I can’t find the link for it online, I will post it in it’s entirety here.  If you would like to see it for yourself, please e-mail me by clicking the link to the right and I’ll be happy to forward it to you. 

What you are about to read is a letter from Mike Bickle and Lou Engle, two strong advocates of the Joel’s Army doctrine, a doctrine that has sobering implications for the church.  The quick and ugly of this belief system is that an army of believers will rise up in the last days, punish God’s enemies, and subdue the world.  Jesus Christ is to be held in Heaven until the church completes this task, and then and only then can He come.  When He does, the church is supposedly going to lay the world at His feet.

If this sounds heretical, that’s because it is.

Here is the letter.  It will be highlighted in red to differentiate their writing from my own.

Dear friends,

We stand at a critical juncture in our nation’s history. It is time to encounter God and to take action. The Holy Spirit is visiting His people with power. At the same time, the powers of darkness are raging against the moral fabric of our nation. The light is getting brighter as the darkness gets darker.

Many of you will have heard of the spiritual awakening at our Bible school. On Wednesday, November 11, the Spirit fell on a class for more than 15 hours. The word spread quickly and over 2,000 people spontaneously gathered in the auditorium from all over Kansas City, as deliverance and physical healings continued to increase. We canceled our classes for the next week so that each one of our 1,000 students and interns could receive from the Spirit in an extended way.

We decided to meet nightly from 6:00pm to midnight because His manifest presence continues to increase. Visitors are pouring in from many places across America to partake of this spiritual awakening.

We will continue these evening meetings until our onething conference, December 28–31, 2009, when we are expecting 20,000 young adults to gather for worship, teaching, and to participate in the supernatural ministry of the Spirit.

Last year, over 16,000 young adults attended this conference. We are still hearing testimonies of lives that were changed. This year, we are expecting to receive even more from the Spirit. We believe that this will be a historic and important conference, and encourage you to attend.You can register at http://IHOP.org

The theme for onething’09 is “What is the Spirit saying to the Church?” Our team will proclaim what we believe the Spirit is prophetically speaking to the Church in this hour. We will also share practical ways in which we can “adopt” high schools and colleges across our nation as we envision young people to impact each sphere of society with works of justice and acts of compassion. At the conference, we will have extended ministry times to receive healing, renewal, and impartation from the Spirit. We believe that the Spirit will release His power at this conference, as evidenced by what He is currently doing in our evening meetings.

Mark Anderson, a senior international leader in YWAM who also works closely with Campus Crusade for Christ, will host forums for leaders to discuss how we can systematically evangelize entire cities and campuses in partnership with the houses of prayer in their area. Mark has remarkable insight that comes from his 30 years of successful ministry in evangelism. The Lord has given him some bold new strategies for this hour.

The crisis in our nation is real. The serpentine stranglehold of abortion continues to squeeze the life out of over 4,000 wombs daily. Sexual immorality, both heterosexual and homosexual, are reaching epic heights of perversity. The number of women and children being trafficked into the dark underbelly of the sex industry in our cities is growing at an alarming rate. Entire school systems are giving way to darkness. The sanctity of marriage is under siege, threatening to destroy the moral foundations of our nation.

We will also address the growing crisis that is emerging in many churches across America. A new wave of confusion is systematically seducing many young adults into deception. Sincere young people whose hearts were once ablaze for Jesus are being allured into compromise on foundational biblical truths and practices, while at the same time they are increasing in works of compassion and justice. No amount of increased ministry activity can “balance out” their profound spiritual compromises. In the name of tolerance, they are settling for a humanistic and “politically correct” theology that trivializes the glory of Jesus. Many young adult ministries are falling prey to this as they are seeking “relevance” that dulls the razor’s edge of truth for the sake of man’s approval. It is not enough to mention Jesus’ name if they deny foundational truths about Him. Our works of justice must flow from deep allegiance to Jesus and the Scripture.

Our nation has never stood on such a precarious footing as today. The onslaught of spiritual darkness is increasing in our classrooms, boardrooms, courtrooms, and bedrooms. We must confront the confusion that is pouring forth from many pulpits as well as from the halls of Washington. It is time to draw a line in the sand. We must hear what the Spirit is saying and we must act on it. The Spirit will confirm the truth with demonstrations of power.

It is darkest before the dawn. Our hearts are full of faith. We know another historic “Great Awakening” is soon to sweep across our nation. We look with confidence to God’s promise: “In the last days . . . I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh (Acts 2:17-21). All nations will receive the witness of kingdom with power (Mt. 24:14; Rev. 7:9). What a privilege to live in this awesome hour of history.

At this very hour, Jesus is raising up young adults who are being mobilized to cry out in night and day prayer, win the lost, heal the sick, and do works of compassion and justice as they impact the very fabric of our society. Join us in Kansas City from December 28–31. The onething’09 conference is FREE.

With passion for Jesus, (emphasis theirs)

Mike Bickle and Lou Engle

One statement that immediately stood out to me is this:

The theme for onething’09 is “What is the Spirit saying to the Church?” Our team will proclaim what we believe the Spirit is prophetically speaking to the Church in this hour.

Did you catch it?  After asking the question, “What is the Spirit saying to the Church?” they answer it with “Our team will proclaim what we believe the Spirit is prophetically speaking to the Church in this hour.”  We already know what the Spirit is speaking to the Church, and it’s found written in God’s infallible Word.  The danger of this type of prophetic utterance is that it leaves the door wide-opened to extrabiblical revelation that can not be substantiated by the Bible.  It also undermines Scripture by saying there is more that God is saying that He didn’t say through the Biblical writers.  That’s not what Scripture tells us.

Hebrews 4:12:

For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

2 Timohty 3:16-17:

All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:  That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

We know Mike Bickle and Lou Engle are not speaking true words from the Holy Spirit because they do not preach the true gospel of Jesus Christ.  First, the foundation must be firm, and then the word that comes from them will be sure.  But since there is no new revelation given, we are to reject fully any extra-biblical word we get from these men because the canon of Scripture was sealed long ago and nothing new has been given since that time.  But this ploy has worked in the past and will continue to work in the future because the enemy knows it’s effective.  If false teachers like Bickle and Engle can get you to believe they are speaking divine utterances from God, then you will accept what you hear from them as God-inspired and absolute truth.  The power that concept gives these men over the gullible and undiscerning sheep is unimaginable!  What happens is that the Bible is set aside as the absolute standard, and the way of truth is subverted.  The church still doesn’t get that the Holy Spirit guides us into all truth, which is found expressly and only in the Word of God found in the Bible.  R.C. Sproul said it best when he said that the Holy Spirit will not operate outside of God’s Word.  Use that as your plumbline when wading into the strange territory of mysticism and manifestations and you will have eyes to see and ears to hear; this will keep you safe from perverse error.

As was to be expected, when word of this so-called revival, or awakening, got out, people began appearing from all over to “get a bite” of the “spirit that was manifesting at IHOP.

Here’s more from the press release:

It all began on November 4, on the last day of the monthly Global Bridegroom Fast at the International House of Prayer of Kansas City (IHOP–KC). A move of the Holy Spirit began to stir during the student chapel at IHOPU, as students testified about receiving deliverance from self-hatred, shame, and depression. Students began to experience supernatural joy at the revelation of God’s love for them. A powerful spirit of joy rested on many the next day at the IHOPU student-led 6:00am prayer meeting, and the Spirit continued to move throughout the week in our classes and during the faculty meetings.

What started during our IHOPU student chapel on November 4 is continuing today. Visitors are coming in from many places, with some driving over 1,000 miles overnight to participate in these meetings. Consequently, on November 12, we moved the Prayer Room to our Forerunner School of Ministry sanctuary from 6:00pm to midnight each night, to accommodate more people. We will continue these nightly meetings as the Holy Spirit leads us. We earnestly pray that this awakening will continue, as our nation is in desperate need of another great awakening in this hour.

What began on November 4 has shown no signs of slowing down.  What’s important is that this is quickly gaining ground and, just like Lakeland, is being streamed across the internet.  It is being reported that people are writing in from all across the globe to testify of various healings.  The long reach of false prophets is simply astounding thanks to mediums such as the internet.

This is from an article from Charisma News Online, a supporter of the Lakeland revival:

Thousands of Christians from across the U.S. have been flocking to Kansas City, Mo., where a Bible college class at the International House of Prayer (IHOP) has sparked nightly revival services.

More than 1,600 people have been packing into IHOP’s ministry school auditorium to pray, worship and experience what many are describing as spiritual renewal.

At services held last weekend, participants shared testimonies of healing from chronic back pain and migraines, deliverance from shame and self-hatred, and experiencing God’s love for the first time. Similar testimonies have been sent from around the world, where the services are being viewed via live Web stream

…Almost 2,000 people from the Kansas City area heard about the “awakening” and came to the campus to participate. Since then the meetings, held nightly from 6 p.m. until midnight, have been drawing capacity crowds to the ministry school’s sanctuary.

College students are also gathering across the country to watch the services online. Testimonies have poured in from such schools as Georgia Tech, Wheaton College, Asbury College and the University of California-Berkeley, where students reportedly are experiencing great joy, deep peace, and emotional and physical healing.  (emphasis mine)

 (Online Source) 

It’s still too soon to determine whether or not this new revival will grow as big as Lakeland was in it’s heyday, but given that the area spawned the Kansas City Prophets, it wouldn’t be hard to believe another demonic outpouring could begin there because they still haven’t learned anything.  They never did develop a love of the truth.  Nothing will change until they do.  But take my word for it, regardless of how big it grows, this one will have the same demonic manifestations and deceptions that all the others had.  While watching the videos, the praise leaders were singing, or chanting, in tongues.  I heard such phrases being sung such as “there’s an open Heaven,” which is the same phrases we heard being bandied about in Lakeland, as well as “release the angelic in this room,” “angels ascending and descending,” and ” release the fire, release the wind.”  At other parts in the videos there are people laying on the floor and you can hear mass laughing in the background.  Not joyful laughter, but demonic manifestations of laughter as these people seek encounters more than they seek the truth of the gospel of Jesus Christ.  Do you know how much time they spent reading and teaching from God’s Word?  None.

Standing on the stage you will see Julie Meyer singing in tongues.  She is the same so-called prophetess who said that “God’s prophetic word is never a guarantee, it’s only an invitation from God to join the great intercessor Himself and birth His purposes on the earth.”  This false doctrine makes it entirely possible for us to effectively cancel out God’s word.  With people like this leading the charge, what else can a Bible-discerning Christian assume but that the whole outbreak is false?  Error canNOT beget truth.  It’s simply not possible.

The longer labor lasts, the closer birth pangs become.  Lakeland was sooo last year.  This is 2009 and we have another demonic outbreak.  Seems they’re coming closer together.  Deception is a major factor of the days we live in.

Let’s keep this in mind:

–Whatever doctrine favors the corrupt lusts of men cannot be of God, let the pleas and pretentions for them be what they will.  (Matthew Henry)

See you on the wall.

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19 Responses to Student Awakening at IHOP – The Next Lakeland?

  1. Doug says:

    “Work is a form of nervousness.” I quote that because the way that many of these false teachers get their hooks into the sheep is by telling them:
    “You aren’t spiritual enough…but we’re Spiritual, and God will bless you more if you’re with us!”
    “You aren’t doing enough for God-but we are doing great things, and God will be pleased if you come in under our banner!”
    It’s attacking the sheep through their guilt, because ALL of us know that we aren’t spiritual enough, aren’t doing enough for God compared to what He did for us.
    Crystal, I just noticed the other day an Assemblies church that I used to visit has changed it’s name to “The River Church”. They aren’t near any river, but a river denotes movement, flowing, action.
    I was sad.
    All we can do is remain true to God’s Word, shine light on the false teachers just as Jesus would do if He were on earth today.
    He has promised to sort out the sheep and the goats, and we can trust that He is doing so today, otherwise EVERY church body would be overun with goats!

  2. annon says:

    I received this email and watched all the recent sessions (archives now available for viewing).

    Monday’s session nearly 4 hours of music and hype…calling repeatedly for “more” more impartation, healing and deliverance. The Bible was never opened or preached, nothing substantial of what Jesus did for us, or our need for repentance. Mike Bickle and Lou Engle were not shy as they declared their desire for the Toronto manifestations to flow in Kansas City

    Carol Arnott was true to form with her continued “whooaaa” while speaking. There was quite a display of head shaking, body twitching and “drunken-like manifestations.” Lots of ha-ha-ha-ha’s could be heard throughout the evening as well as screams. Several testimonies from the IHOP staff/students revealed if one does not go with the manifestations, they have a “religious” spirit. These youth are emotionally manipulated to accept these lies or be labeled as walking in the flesh (such irony). This is now the fulfillment of what Mike always wanted per his teaching/testimony “Encountering Jesus” (available on the web) Relinquishing all discernment, he says we must go with it! God offends the mind to reveal our hearts.

    This breaks my heart; please pray for the youth at IHOP.

  3. Chrystal says:

    One way false teachers have of castigating those who won’t blindly follow is by polarizing them with charges of being unsaved, or of having a religious spirit. Sound cultic? It is.

  4. s77 says:

    Chrystal:

    I have watched the streams live and on replay from

    http://www.ihop.org/Groups/1000051963/International_House_of/Events/Weekends_IHOP_KC/Weekend_Services/FSM_Stream/FSM_Stream.aspx?redirected=1

    I gave you this link for research purposes only

    From what I have seen, this ‘move’ (which I disagree with) is a combination of Lakeland (the ‘controlled chaos’ with “catchers’ and “ushers” all over to prevent the ‘circus’ atmosphere Lakeland had) and Toronto (the manifestations)

    I would stay away

  5. Erin Esser says:

    I’m not sure how I feel about this ‘outpouring’ in KC yet. Time will tell. I watched tonight and repentence was very much encouraged. Also, weren’t there people in Acts that were acting ‘drunk’ when the Holy Spirit fell on them? People that didn’t understand were making fun of them saying they were posessed by the devil. I hope this isn’t a similar situation. It is true that God offends the mind to reveal the heart. Let’s not let this offend our mind just because we don’t understand it. Like it says in Acts…let’s not talk negatively about what could potentially be the work of God…you may be fighting against our Holy God. Time will tell if this is God.
    Question for Doug…who is saying that people aren’t being spiritual enough and they aren’t doing enough for God…that is certainly not what I hear coming from IHOP. Quite the opposite actually. Reserve judgement for now.

    • Chrystal says:

      Erin, no, the people in Acts weren’t acting drunk, they were being mocked and accused of being drunk. Time doesn’t prove whether or not this is of God, His Word does.

    • Daniel says:

      There would be no reason for the visitors to Jerusalem to accuse them of being drunk if they were normal men speaking in various languages, there must have been some form of appearing drunk that was upon these men. Which is also why Paul essentially compares drunk with wine to being filled with the Spirit, a manifestation of the Spirit can at times appear as drunkenness

    • Chrystal says:

      They were mocking them, Daniel. That’s what we can’t get you to understand.

  6. Jimmie Krack Korn says:

    I have done a study on the whole “drunk” thing in Acts…and surmise the following.
    In Acts 2:5 the Word says, “There were God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven staying in Jerusalem.” 6. When they heard this sound ( Wind, languages) they came together in bewilderment, because each one heard his own language. (Have you ever heard drunks speak a perfect language they never before knew?) 7. “Utterly amazed, they asked ..”are not all these mean who are speaking Galileans?” 10. …..”we hear them declaring the WONDERS OF GOD in our own toungues!” 12 Amazed …they asked “What does this mean?”
    13 says…. “some mockers” said “these men have had too much to drink.”

    So there it is. It goes on to say they later added 3000 (men count only in that day…probably 7500-10,000 with women and children) to thier numbers THAT DAY. Hard to do if you are either A. Drunk or even B. Acting drunk.
    Many people including MOST pentecostal/Charismatic preachers “get-off” on the “must be drunk” part as an excuse to induce acting like an imbecile. The Bible says SOME MOCKERS said “they must be drunk.” When I think of “SOME MOCKERS” today…I think of Bill Maher, Richard Dawkins etc. Haters. Nobodies. Probably drunks themselves that do not know how to handle this situation.
    On the OTHERHAND….THe majority 99.9% of those present believed this was of God!
    KJVsays: that the devout/wise men from every nation WERE AMAZED! CONFOUNDED! MARVELED! THEY WERE AMAZED AGAIN IN 2:12, AND WANTED TO KNOW WHAT THIS MEANT? WONDROUS WORKS, EVERYONE, (OTHER THAN THE MOCKERS)… ALL THE DEVOUT/WISE MEN ….WONDERED IN “AMAZEMENT! ….THEY KNEW THE MEN WERE NOT DRUNK! THEY CALLED IT THE WONDROUS WORK OF GOD!
    Main stream evangelicals have allowed this “drunk” thing to get so out of control in an effort to “whip up” ….a ‘Signs and wonders’ seeking Charismatic crowd into a false and fleshly display of the “power of the holy ghost” it ACTUALLY MOCKS GOD WHO IS A GOD OF ORDER AND MOCKS THE HOLY SPIRIT WHO WE ALL KNOW IS A GENTLEMAN.

    Because rather then laying on the ground on the Day of Pentecost…clucking, shaking, drooling, screaming like a banshee in undistinguishable sounds, crawling around on knees…baying like a sheep, slithering around like a snake like at Kenneth Copelands church, or even “SOAKING” the precious soaking or laying in a euphoric stupor as time passes and nothing is achieved (except fleshly satisfaction) …those present in the Upper Room when on to bring 3000 to God.. in other words they WENT TO WORK.

    Peter who always had put his foot in his mouth everytime he opened it…went on to give the most eloquent speech of his life …to date. Hard to do when you are either drunk or “acting drunk.” I don’t know drunks who “act” this way.

    • Daniel says:

      the Holy Spirit is never called a gentleman in the Bible…just an FYI…not a good statement to make of the one who appeared on the mountain before Israel with loud thunder, clouds of darkness, and lighting, much less so mighty that the mountain appeared to be on fire..where is the fear of a great and terrible God??

  7. Elijah Soldier says:

    well, I loathe generalizations and I see alot of that on these comments. I was saved at the Brownsville Revival and I saw alot of manifestations there also. Being newely saved, I didn’t fully understand them but, I thought they were God and so I watched them with awe and reverence. The presence of manifestations was never discouraged and was the accepted form by the which we were taught that the Holy Spirit was moving. I heard and saw people shaking and shivering and heard alot of screaming and grunting and so forth. Being that I was new in the Lord, I accepted it when they called these manifestations, but I never fully manifested myself, and somehow this made me feel less spiritual. All of this can be compared to Acts 2:13, when it says, others were mocking and said, these men are full of new wine, with a twist though. In the following verse Acts 2 :14, Peter does begin to preach a powerful sermon and 3,000 souls were added to the Kingdom. Much like Brownsville, the Word was preached with power and conviction and many souls were added to the Kingdom nitely. The evangelist never once, in all the years I went there, preached on manifestations or hype or being drunk in the spirit, even though manifestations were everywhere. His message was God hates sin, get the sin out, repent and get saved! get into a bible-believing church and grow in God. These things are somehow overlooked in everyone’s rush to condemn the revival and compare it to other false practices churches are engaged in. While it is true that the leaders started bickering amongst themselves and egos clashed and differing agendas and personal goals finally boiled over and the revival began to wane. Ego and pride killed the move of God, not manifestations. That is what I see as the sin and apostasy of the Brownsville Revival. Everyone in the vicinity of the revival and the church that hosted it knew that the revival was over because the numbers started to trickle down to nothing but the church and the pastor touted it as a lull and another wave was coming, I heard that more times than I can remember. That is the apostasy part of it, rahter than admit that the revival was over, they tried to prop it up with a false prophecy that another wave was coming. It all finally spilled out with the Revival school and it’s president splitting off to form a different school in the same town. Most of the staff went with the president of the school to form a new school and new ministry/church and several people left Brownsville hurt and bewildered or just plain mad. The revival evangelist, because of his enormous ego had already left to supposedly be nearer an international airport which everyone knew was a patently false lie. The truth is, he had gotten into several disagreements with the pastor and they were quibbling like school children and finally the evangelist had had enough and in a huff, he left. Charisma and the Pensacola News Journal and picked up on all this and the whole drama was played out in the news with several different scenarios and reasons being bantered around. Somewhere along the line, despite their training and years in ministry, the leaders’ incredible egos and ministry agendas, conflicted with each other and in true child-like fashion, they lashed out at each other, taking no thought who they hurt in the process. My thought is, they have forgotten was true ministry is all about. Matt. 23:11-but he that is greatest amongst you shall be your servant.

  8. shane says:

    “Elijah Soldier
    I was saved at the Brownsville Revival”

    Could you tell more about it? I am not trying to doubt you or accuse you or anything and I am not trying to question your salvation. I am just curious. I am interested in finding people in the same condition that I was in that’s all.

    I was in the pent/char movement for years. I don’t think I ever heard the Gospel clearly explained to me. I was in misery for 10 years thinking I had to try and please God to keep my salvation and that because I didn’t speak in tongues there was something wrong with me. Even to the point of I wasn’t saved. (I wasn’t in the Oneness movement. Assemblies of God type beliefs mixed with some word faith) It wasn’t until I had gone as far as I could and asked God to show me the truth. I read my Bible for myself and took Jesus at His Word and that’s when I realized what I had been taught about salvation was wrong. I was always taught that it was by works and not by faith alone.

  9. julie says:

    I have a question, especially from those using this phrase, “God offends the mind to reveal the heart.” That may be true, but where does it come from? Especially in scripture. This is a line used over and over again to accept unusual happenings. Shouldn’t there be something substantial to stand on when accepting unusual happenings?

  10. David says:

    I have been in numerous meetings where “angels” or “The partners with man in the work of redemption and the gospel” have been touted as being at work.
    There is no doubt there was activity, spiritual activity – but by the very testimony of these ministers, the flow of the stream of spiritual activity is angelic and not the Holy Spirit. This has always raised red flags for me because it is clear that stuff happens in these meetings and I know that the minister preaching says that it is the angels sent by God to accompany him/her in ministry – that they are at work, (even upon solicitation or by command) and the role of the Holy Spirit in bringing souls to Jesus, testifying of Him or lifting Him up is demoted.
    In such meetings, the manifestations you see of writhing, jerking, babbling (I don’t mean speaking in tongues I mean babbling – mixing english with gibberish slogans ie Bam, Shaba etc), spiritual lust (ie MORE! COME NOW LORD! – a demanding tone or of control of the Holy Spirit by command and not by entreatment in prayer – two different approaches, one in humility one in pride) – these manifestations seem to be part and parcel of the “new revivalists” or “third wave” ushers.
    I have been in numerous “glory meetings” or revival meetings where the Holy Spirit is credited as being at work amongst the throngs but the resulting displays of physical foolishness and ungodly behavior has left more of a grieving than a rejoicing in my spirit during these meetings.
    There are the revival meetings I have attended where the Holy Spirit is spoken of in champion like terminology where Jesus is everyones best friend & God is a Father seeking to give us good things or blessings, and yet when activity occurs amongst the congregation which is claimed to be the Holy Spirit at work – there is a great disparity between the Holy Spirit that is testified of in the New & Old Testaments and the spirit at work amongst the people gathered. The manifestations mirror the ones I have highlighted above.
    Because the Bible is my love, the nature of God revealed to me through His Word (and I know He does not change nor contradict himself), I will ask God with all sincerity during these times why my spirit is not moved, though my soul or emotions may be through the songs & fervor towards Him, and why there is no testimony of Jesus in it all .. to me the cornerstone of anything Godly.

    In Lakeland I stood near the front and heard TB come on stage and say how overwhelmed he was by the glory of God he could feel. I felt not a drop of Holiness.
    Because “the Glory” is so widely sought after amongst the new age revivalists that I have observed and traveled to witness, I thought to myself, do we really know what His glory really is? – is it a mystical cloud that people envision stemming from Old testament understandings of the kabod – or weightiness of God? Was it lightnings and thunders and angels flying about and up and down?
    Or was it simply Christ and Christ crucified? Marred and naked, rejected of men and deserted by his disciples and friends?
    The only glory the flesh/soul deems of worth in Jesus sacrifice is a sentimental one, “Jesus is a hero and He loves me so much He took not a bullet like Superman, but He took a beating and whipping and some nails as well as the punishment of my sin because God loves me. Oh I will love Him back and follow His teachings because of this act of heroism” – and yet the true Glory of God which He declared to Moses as “His Goodness” or grace is too quickly passed over as a means to an ends, as the door to get into the treasure room of Godly goodies He so desperately wants us to have (this is a glorious idea to the flesh, but a false representation of God’s true nature and mercy).

    I thought to myself – Are we really supposed to be so transfixed on some aspect of God which we don’t have because we are created and He is not? Angels – God’s messengers have a glory to them that the heart will fascinate and latch onto. Clouds of glittering fancy that accompany God – this has a glory to it which the heart will fascinate with and can latch onto. Heaven – this has a glory which the heart can desire and be fascinated with and this can be to some Christians “my portion in eternity” when Jesus is our true portion.

    Jesus is God’s goodness in full and open display before all men, princes and principalities and creation. Jesus is God’s lamb slain from the foundation of the world, He has always been before the Father to cover the iniquities and transgressions of man – represented with the lamb of sacrifice of the OT, had it not been for Jesus the Lord and Savior and obedient Son of God – none of us would be living should we see God in all of His majesty and Holiness.

    In western traditions we know of “Gold-diggers” who will love and facilitate a relationship with an older richer male in order to live a life of luxury and pampering. There is a parallel in Charismatic Christian circles where Christians will gladly live as the bride of Christ because of the blessings that God has, the glory that comes with being God and the uncreated Absolute Lord of all things. They will hear of old time revivals and the spirit of lust for a more grandious and glorious reality will open up the door for strong delusions. They love to be seen in the eyes of men to be blessed of God and mighty and special in His Kingdom – but hate the truth of how deceitful their own hearts have become. Many are called few are chosen because when God calls you – there is so much fleshly pride that rides on the back of any thing worthy of praise. To be called by God or have a calling in your life is not the end, it is the beginning. I am personally sick to my stomach with the word revival nowadays as it is thrown about and written in large letters on banners.
    God hates unjust scales, and let our hearts be weighed by His Holy Spirit so that the true and real motives for all we do are revealed and as we work out our salvation with fear and trembling. God will never bless us with revival as long as our souls desire some glory in it for ourselves, whether it be as a minister or a person of intercession. It is God’s grace, His goodness, His mercy, in His Holiness that causes us to see ourselves as we really are and fall down as men who are dead, flat on our faces and undone. Then the seed of self is dead, and resurrection life may come forth from our sanctified lives.

  11. David says:

    To use this partial truth “God offends the mind to reveal the heart” as a defense of suspect religious practices against thoughtful and logical comparison to the Bible is a slippery slope.
    To apply this as a blanket statement to anything spiritual over which there is disagreement is dangerous ground.
    If someone does not understand something to do with a spiritual/biblical matter and asks a question which is an indication of their God given processes of reason, logic and understanding, It should not be swept under the rug of “unity” or “peace” simply because one hasn’t learned how to use the broom of “defending the faith” to clear things up.
    One must know what is of God and what is not, lest God’s name be made a mockery of in our vanity or in false teaching and preaching.

    The Samaritan woman who asked of Jesus for a miracle and was rejected it seemed, yet went on to argue with Him by logic that “even the dogs under the table get the crumbs of bread off the table” – she was praised by Jesus as having Faith. The Roman centurion also who reasoned with Jesus as to why He needn’t come to His house as His authority was by logic, not bound by distance – Jesus also marveled at this man and praised His Faith.
    Jesus use of logic was His primary tool for rebuking the misrepresentation of God and The Jewish religion that He encountered with the Pharisees and Sadducees.

    Jesus was an offense to the Pharisees because He brought the full counsel of God’s word to the forefront, He exposed error and vanity and pride in them. He offended their minds by having a greater mind than them all for He was the Word made flesh. What they treasured in themselves – the vast mental collections of laws and knowledge – was shown to be hay and stubble and was burned up in His Words of Truth.

    If you were blind, Jesus once told them – I could make you see. But you claim to see, so I cannot help you.
    Funny how on the road to Damascus Saul was made blind when He saw Jesus as He is and who He is, and that God healed Him and open His eyes to know Jesus as the Word made flesh.
    Sometimes we will defend our doctrines and ways because we believe in them, but cannot substantiate by scripture God’s nature in them and His Will and His pointing us into that direction. We may also find a scripture that fits out personal preferences and then with a subtle twist, use it to our own means, and yet cannot justify how and why God should by example and in Truth and real meaning stand for what we are standing for.

    We sometimes encounter things which are spiritual in nature and supposedly of God, but the word of God has always been and always shall be the weighing scales for any and all spiritual things.

    God’s Word is the revealer of our hearts, – like a mirror that we can see ourselves as we really are. If He offends us, it is through His Word, but not by us not understanding something or by us loosing our mental faculties, or by manifestations that have not only no rhyme and reason but are not justifiable by scripture in it’s totality.

    I suspect Eve must have felt momentarily delighted that the serpent had offended her understanding of God’s commands not to eat the fruit, so that her heart could be revealed in it’s desire or want to eat of the fruit, once she bit into it and experienced the intoxication of knowing good and evil .. (“She saw that it was good for food”) – but we must obey God’s Word at all costs regardless of the beauty that proceeds from dismissing it based upon a supposed blessing that would presumably negate the not following of the original command.

    The Christian with same sex attraction who cannot understand the reasons for these feelings – if he or she were to say that these mixed feelings are “an offense to their minds” because they want to serve and follow Jesus but also feel strong impulses which go against God’s Word, and in the end had come to peace with the notion that one could be a Christian and also be “true to their heart” and be in a same sex relationship – because their heart was revealed to them
    (Recently a high profile Christians who had left his wife and began living with men because he was so “offended in his mind”, he finally accepted his heart which he claimed was revealed to him by this offended mind which could not justify God’s Word to his own sinful heart)
    Do you see the danger of brushing aside God’s word for practices and thoughts and motives and activities from the little to the great that we may deem in our hearts ok?
    The heart is deceitful, and no amount of misrepresentation of God to me as long as I have God’s Holy word that contradicts it – will get a free pass.
    To say that something cannot be explained by the word and thus is not fully understood but should be embraced nevertheless, because God may be offending my mind is foolish.

  12. Jimmie Krack Korn says:

    (All of this can be compared to Acts 2:13, when it says, others were mocking and said, these men are full of new wine, with a twist though.)
    YOU TOOK PART OF A SCRIPTURE AND ADDED ‘NEW WINE’ WHERE IT IS NOT IN THE WORD, AND THEN ADDED ‘WITH A TWIST’…. WHICH IS HOW ALL THIS FALSE REVIVAL ALWAYS MANIFESTS. IT IS ALWAYS A RESULT OF ‘ADDED SCRIPTURES WITH A TWIST.’ ‘NEW WINE ‘ IS THE CALL OF THE WILD FOR THE ELISHA LIST REVIVALISTS AND IT IS NOT MENTIONED IN ACTS 2. (UNLESS IN SOME OBSCURE TRANSLATION) NOT KJV.
    While it is true that the leaders started bickering amongst themselves and egos clashed and differing agendas and personal goals finally boiled over and the revival began to wane. Ego and pride killed the move of God, not manifestations.
    THIS IS COMMOM WITH FALSE REVIVALS. IT IS NOT THE FRUIT OF THE SPIRIT. THESE FALSE REVIVALS WITH HEAVY DOES OF CLUCKING AND SQUAWKING AND DROOLING WHICH IS ABSOLUTELY UNSCRIPTURAL….ALWAYS LEAVE A TRAIL OF DEVASTATION BEHIND. JUST LIKE LAKELAND. WITH A TRUE REVIVAL SUCH AS ON THE DAY OF PENTECOST THERE IS UNITY AND HARMONY. PLUS YOU CAN NOT JUDGE HOW MANY CAME TO LORD AT BROWSNVILLE …WHICH IS FROM THE SAME PEOPLE FROM TORONTO AND THE SAME OFFSHOOT AT LAKELAKND…BECAUSE PEOPLE ALWAYS GET HYPED UP AND COME ACCEPT THE LORD OVER AND OVER, AND EVERYONE LOVES MANIFESTATIONS. WALKING UP TO THE ALTER AND SAYING THE SINNERS PRAYER DOES NOT NECESARRILY GET YOU SAVED. THAT IS WHY THE ANTI CHRIST WILL COME COME WITH MANY SIGNS AND WONDERS AND LEAD MANY A STRAY. WHO WILL HE LEAD A STRAY? THOSE SEEKING/NEEDING MANIFESTATIONS.

    ALSO DID YOU SEE THE LADY FLY ACROSS THE ROOM AT BROWNSVILLE AS TOUTED ON SID ROTH’S SHOW FROM OTHERS PRENET AT BROWNSVILLE? SOMEBODY HAD TOO MUCH NEW WINE.

    • Daniel says:

      Have you been to the IHOP awakening? If you went, you would find a generation of young adults who are being set free and filled with joy and love for really the first time. There are hundreds being saved, and even testimonies of witches who are giving their lives to Jesus. Please don’t mock the work that God is doing in bringing many to Himself

  13. kevin says:

    okay on nov 16 i was baptized in the holy spirit there,now there are a lot of things i dont like what ihop believes,but as long as my heart was in the right place then i would be fine,i dont let there believes inside my heart i take the meat of the bone.
    now after i was baptized with the holy spirit my spirit has been on fire to stand up for the word of truth. i’m a messianic if any prophetic teachings do not go with the feast of the lord then i will not let your teachings into my heart. so i kinda know why i was baptized in the holy spirit to stand up for the word of truth.the feast are so important ezekial 45 verse 16 to 18.the feast of the lord are called rehearsals ,what are we rehearsing . if you study the feast then you’ll understand g-ds plan.eccl. chapter 1 verse 9 to 12. good thing to read.its good to have the holy spirit ,but you also need to be feeled with the word,one without the other starves your spirit.i mean you get filled with the holy spirit whats after that. when pentecost happened and they where speaking different languages and a mighty wind ,wow that matches something look at when god was giving the torah on mount sinai.
    g-d is the g-d of order not of chaos or random things.

  14. Tim says:

    At issue here are two camps of Christians. There are the charismatics who believe that supernatural giftings as described in I Corinthians 12 and other places are for today. And there are the cessationists who believe that after the canon of scripture was sealed God no longer needed these miraculous supernatural giftings. The cessationists explain that those giftings were meant to confirm the word of God as preached by the apostles. Now that we have the full canon of scriptures there is no need for revelation of God’s truth and there is no need to confirm the revelation of God’s truth with signs and wonders.

    Both charismatics and cessationists believe the Bible is the ultimate revelation of truth showing us the way of salvation and the invaluable source of sound doctrine.

    The cessationist might complain that charismatics allow for additional revelations besides the Bible. But to be fair we should point out that, although charismatics allow for the Holy Spirit to reveal truth and give guidance, they believe that any true revelation from God will not contradict what God has already revealed in scripture.

    There is a fundamental difference in the way charismatics and cessationists approach the Bible. Charismatics notice that throughout the Bible people are having direct encounters with God. They see frequent miracles throughout the Old and New Testaments, they see personal guidance given to God’s people by God himself (for example see Acts 18:9 where the Lord spoke encouraging words to Paul in a vision), and they see verses seeming to indicate that all believers should function in the supernatural (see the last words of Jesus recorded in the Gospel According to Mark where he says believers will drive out demons, speak in new tongues, heal the sick by laying on of hands and so forth and see Jesus’ words recorded in John 14 where he says anyone who has faith in him will do what he has been doing and even greater things). They also see that Paul set a pattern for sharing the Gospel that worked very well for him: ‘My message and my preaching were not with wise and persuasive words, but with a demonstration of the Spirit’s power, so that your faith might not rest on men’s wisdom, but on God’s power.” I Corinthians 2:4-5 (also see I Corinthians 4:20 and I Thessalonians 1:4-5 for similar statements).

    Charismatics see the Bible as a window into what Christians are to be like. They see people who experience God’s love in a personal and real way (Jesus said, “He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him” John 14:21). These people experience God’s love and healing and are set free from Satan’s kingdom of darkness. They are empowered to share Jesus’ love and grace with the world.

    For charismatics it is not enough to know the stories and the truths of the Bible – they want to also live like the heroes of the faith, whom they see as biblical examples of what our relationship with God can be like.

    Meanwhile some Christians (especially cessationists) treat the Bible as more of a history book that documents some unchanging truths. These Christians focus on believing the truths of the Bible but have trouble letting the supernatural experiences of the Bible off the pages into their own lives.

    The 72 disciples found in the Bible who went out and healed people and cast out demons in Jesus’ name are not seen by cessationists as a model for today’s Christians. Instead, they are seen as a one-time, special-case, historical event. These Christians prefer to focus on theological truths regarding the process of salvation. They shy away from modern-day Christians with gifts of healing and modern-day Christians with gifts of prophecy for fear that these modern-day events and practices might get more attention than the historical events and teachings found in the Bible.

    Some even go so far as to take scriptures out of context in an attempt to prove that these modern-day practicing Christians are illegitimate. An example of this is when they quote I Corinthians 13:8 – “Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away.” – and say that this shows that prophecy and tongues were meant to cease in the church. They sidestep the problem that if this verse means what they say it does then knowledge should have also ceased in the church. Knowledge is of course very important to them. While knowledge joined with practice and experience are important to the charismatics.

    To put things into perspective, consider two students of biology. They have both thoroughly studied the chapter of their textbook on animal dissection. One of the students does not get to have the experience of dissecting an animal but the other does. The student who dissects the pig finds it to be a messy, fascinating experience. He finds the experience much different than he had imagined it to be while he was studying the textbook. Not to say that the textbook was in error in any way. He simply found that the experience joined with the study led to fullest and most meaningful education. One student can parrot the explanation from the textbook and has a very pristine and orderly view of dissection. The other student benefits from the raw experience of actually dissecting a pig according to the instructions found in the textbook.

    Now, in regards to discerning the current move of God, the Bible gives us some clear instructions. Jesus tells us in Matthew 7 that we can judge whether a tree is good or bad by its fruit. Furthermore, in I John 4 we are told that we can know if a spirit (and incidentally a prophet) is from God or not by whether the spirit honors Jesus or not.

    Also remember what Jesus said when he was accused of doing miracles by the power of demons. He explained in Mark 3 that there are two kingdoms at war and that we can know which kingdom is sponsoring a move by determining which kingdom is being attacked. So, in the case of Jesus driving demons out, it is evident that the kingdom being attacked is Satan’s kingdom which would indicate that God’s kingdom is sponsoring the attack.

    From this teaching we can learn if a movement is from God or from Satan by determining which side is taking a hit from the movement.

    Jesus also warns us in this passage not to blaspheme the movement of God’s Spirit by giving Satan credit for what God is doing.

    Now, let’s take a look at the fruit of the IHOPU Awakening. The primary theme has been hearts being healed and discovering the love of Jesus in a very personal, real way. There have also been physical healings and students are being set free from addictions. The net result has been students falling in love with Jesus.

    Now let’s apply the Bible’s discernment test…

    Fruit of the Tree: GOOD

    Jesus Honored: YES

    Satan’s Kingdom Losing Ground: YES

    Jesus’ Kingdom Gaining Ground: YES

    Heresy hunters beware of nitpicking a true work of God. Don’t miss out on supporting a genuine move of God in our day.

    A final thought from Psalm 115:3 – “Our God is in heaven; He does whatever pleases Him.”

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