Posted by: Chrystal | May 10, 2009

Two People “Healed” at the Lakeland Revival Die

It was inevitable.  A false healing revival with overblown and unsubstatiated reports of healing can only lead to one thing for those who are desperate and looking for healing… death.

I grew up as a Charismatic.  I have seen people suffering with maladies and they were visibly in pain, but yet they would say, “I don’t accept that.  I don’t have _______.”  Even though they have been diagnosed by reputable doctors, they refuse to claim the disease or illness they have been diagnosed with.  To some charismatics, words have power, and if you speak a negative word, they will negatively effect you.  Therefore, only positive words must be spoken.

People with little to no Biblical knowledge have a heart that is a breeding ground for error.  It is these people that are susceptible to the hocus pocus of the Word of Faith/Charismatic doctrine.  One of the cruelest things a minister can do is to tell people unequivocally that they are healed.  Especially when these people are suffering from life-threatening illnesses.  Their misplaced faith can then turn deadly if they aren’t grounded in the Word of God.

I have an aunt who has a tumor in her hip.  It has caused great pain and suffering, and when she was diagnosed, the doctor informed her it had to come out immediately.  Even though the tumor is benign, it is causing damage to the surrounding tissues.  She refused to have surgery, saying God has said He would heal her.  Now it’s a few years later and the tumor has grown and caused so much damage that her left leg is inches shorter than the other and she has to wear a special boot to even out her gait, and the tumor has grown so large that doctors have said if they remove it now, the damage is done.  It will do no good.  (They still want to remove it, by the way, but her lack of action caused irreversible damage.)  I saw her before Christmas, hobbling around on a cane, and she told me that God is still telling her that He’s going to heal her.  I’m thinking, “Well, what’s the hold up?”  Had she had it removed when it was first diagnosed, she would have fully recovered.

Two people have died.  These people were attendees at the Lakeland Revival, and were looking for their miracle.  When lack of Biblical knowledge is joined with false doctrine and desperation, it can cause people to put their faith in vessels that are too full of holes to hold any truth.  When pressured by WORLD magazine to release a list of names that could verify the claims of healing at Lakeland, after much pressuring, the ministry released a list of 13 names.  The two people on that list who died were reported as having been healed of cancer, but when these people were called to seek verification, one had died as early as July of last year, and the other had died a few days before the names were released.

Do you see the damage false doctrine can cause?  Yes, these people would have died anyway, but that is not the point.  It is CRUEL to give these people false hope… it is barbaric.  Not only do people like Bentley prey upon those who are sick and desperate, but they prey upon those who are dying.  On the one hand, people like Bentley tell these people that if they will open their wallets and give to the Lord (remember the ATM machines at the revival?), that God will bless them.  So the sick, desperate, and dying are opening their wallets and giving what they have in hopes of a miracle.  Then you have Bentley telling people they are healed.  No questions asked.  No doctors consulted.  HEALED!  What happens is that they go home and die, and Charismatic ministers take their money to the bank and deposit it.

God’s Word doesn’t tell us to claim our miracle – it tells us to submit ourselves to God and seek His will.  But faith healers slingshot around that and speak their own false word over people.  By seeking God’s will, we become submissive to Him.  That cannot happen when we fail to humble ourselves before the Lord, and speak false words in His stead.

Here is a snippet from an article in World Magazine:

Christopher Fogle, of Cedar Rapids, Iowa, loved to fish. It was a break from his fast-paced, 25-year career with the Perkins Restaurant chain.

But when Fogle got severe cancer, his relaxing fishing trips, which he sometimes took with his children, ended. It was a devastating blow for the active 45-year-old. But for Todd Bentley, television preacher and self-proclaimed healer, the cancer represented an opportunity to “proclaim the glory of God.”

Indeed, last year Bentley began his “Lakeland Outpouring,” a months-long series of “healing services” that Bentley and his Fresh Fire ministry started April 2 and ended under a cloud of controversy Aug. 11 (“Same old scam?,” June 28, 2008). In between, the meetings attracted hundreds of thousands of people to a huge tent in Lakeland, Fla.

At the height of what many called a revival, WORLD asked Bentley to talk about the healings, like Fogle’s, and asked for a list of people who had been healed at the services. His associates told me Bentley was out of the country and a list could not be produced. But six weeks and more than a dozen requests later, the ministry eventually sent a list of 13 names. Fogle was No. 12 on the list, along with this note: “Healed through the Outpouring and is back to fishing.”

That was on Aug. 8, 2008. There was just one problem. Two weeks earlier, on July 22, Christopher A. Fogle—according to his obituary in the Keokuk (Iowa) Daily Gate City, “left this life . . . after a courageous battle with cancer.”  (Online Source)


Responses

  1. Chrystal:

    Thank you for your comments. I pray your words will be a blessing to others, especially those who are caught up in the hyper-Charismatic movement.

    Those who attend “healing” crusades and revivals need to test those who claim the gift of healing. The best way to do it is compare the faith healer’s “miracles” with the miracles outlined within God’s written word.

    When Jesus Christ healed, they weren’t healed half-way or partially; they didn’t limp around or need assistance from catchers; they were made whole.

    When the Apostles used their gift of healing through the power of God, there were no excuses, no gimmicks, and no deception.

    Here are two examples that demonstrate the difference between the healings Jesus and His apostles performed and the so-called “healings” during the Florida revival:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcqmShgqbw8&feature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHAf3W3iPPY

    Further, Scriptural evidence proves that Jesus Christ and His apostles raised people from the dead. Where is the evidence that anyone was raised from the dead during the Florida revival? Hyper-Charismatics should demand the evidence, and run to the nearest exit when the evidence isn’t provided.

    There is a BIG difference between what the modern-day faith healers claim and the many examples within the Bible.

    Todd Bentley claims to have the gift of healing in his articles and books. But sadly, people left the Florida revival the same way they came in–sick and dying.

    Bud Press

  2. Great job, Crystal!

    We have contended with folks on this too, warning many about these false signs/wonders circuses, including members of our own family, and dear friends. My wife’s own half-sister went, and claims she was healed, yet continues to collect her SSI checks, and sees nothing wrong with that either. She is also the “worship leader” at her “church.”
    Forget the ones that were not healed, rather they point to the ones that claim there miraculous healings….I guess that makes me a prophet, because I stated what was obvious to me at the time. She would get their miraculous healing, after the lawyer got her the monthly social security checks….and that is exactly what happened! Now she has had augmentation surgery like Miss California and works out several days a week, driving back and forth in her new expensive import auto, and is held up as the model “blessed christian.” Her son studies for the “ministry” (when he isn’t home having run-ins with the law) at a well known “bible” school. Yep can’t be a good “pastor” without a story now can we.
    The truth is goats ain’t sheep! Let’s keep our eyes on our Savior, as we die to self and He becomes Lord.
    Mickey

  3. Hi Crystal,

    I realise that to leave names and ministries out of this testimony will nullify it’s validity somewhat, but it is something I feel I have to do because of those I personally know who are currently devastated by this situation.

    At the time of Lakeland “outpouring”, I was a worship leader in a charismatic type church in Southampton, U.K.. In the home group I led in my house, in responding to a query someone who atteded made, we began to look at the whole thing in the light of Scripture. We rapidly come to the conclusion that something was terribly wrong, which in itself led to severe conflict between me and the pastor. And eventually led to my decision to leave.

    At this time, a few people including two pastors of another local church, and also at least one lady from our own church decided to fly out to Lakeland to “catch the anointing”, to coin a phrase. These three people, all personally known to me, raved about how great the whole thing was, which gave ammunition for those who disagreed with the stance we took against it.

    Since that time, I would firstly point to the two pastors I mentioned. The came back with the “fire” apparently, and yet within 6 months of their return, the whole church ministry they had has folded up and no longer exists.

    The worst thing is with regard to the other lady however. When she returned, she notified the church that she had been diagnosed with cancer, which was the main reason for her trip. She came back claiming her healing etc., and refusing to accept recommended hospital treatment.

    It is with a heavy heart that I can say that this lady died only a few short weeks ago, leaving a fourteen year old daughter motherless, and already estranged to her father.

    I will not disclose any more for obvious reasons, but if anyone linked to me reads this message, they will know exactly who I am referring to.

    All I can say is this type of movement that is so common today, under whatever banner we wish to give it, is a lie from the pit of hell, and brings death and destruction in its wings.

    Unless the Church of Christ begin boldly declaring Jesus Christ crucified for our sins and risen again, and allowing the Gospel message to be the “power of God unto salvation”, then we preach a perverted gospel that will bring the curse of God upon our own heads!

    God bless you sister, and keep up your stirling work for the Kingdom of Jesus Christ.

    John.

  4. Man, this is very said that they died. Bentley is nothing but a joke. I am glad that I stoped watching these so-called ‘teachers’ and reading a bible. It is pretty distrubing that these so-called ‘teachers’ sending these people false hope by being lied to, and the devasting result that people are being damaged, or died from these hyper-Charismatic/word of faith cult movement. I did not heard about Bentley until I starting to look on the most disernment ministries websites about him. Not only him, but some will-known so-called ‘teachers’ like Paula White, Binny Henn, John Haggie, etc. they exsposed and I was shocked that thay are these same people that I used to watch reagularly!! I was foolish that I listen to them instend of reading the Bible. I’ve never heard about the Charismatic/Word of Faith cult movement until was I reading a blog about the movement targeting people with disabilities. I googled about it and I was shocked that the movement is practing the new-age tactics and thses people whom I used to watch, are invouled in it and I relalized that I was in this cult!!! I am so glad that I God has opend my eyes and I am no longer watching these so-called ‘teachers’ and now I am bengin to read the Bible of what It said and not lesten to those people anymore and I have no excuse of being decepeved. Without this blog that led me this to the truth, I might be ones that been devasted by beleveing a lies of false hopes and claiming miracles to get healed and have a lack of faith if I did not heal. I did named and claiming to heal the pain from my right ankle that I fractured during my junior year in High School, and excema and did not work I thought that I have not having faith. I also have autism and I also thoutht that I going to heal about it and I still have it today. I realized that it is not my will, but only God’s will rather or not to heal me or not and he used them for HIS purpose. I wanted ot be save, but how I get saved without being decepeved? I wanted a REAL THING.

  5. When people refuse to submit to God and allow themselves to have a view of God that is not in line with Biblical Providence, people leave themselves open to much error and disappointment.

    While it is cruel to give people false hope, there are some people that actually like having a false hope. The reason for this is simple – they refuse to hear the truth. These cases from the Lakeland Revival are particularly sad. I pray that the families of these victims find repentance from the Lord if they are unsaved.

    People often make the mistake that divine healing is a right and it was part of Jesus’ atonement. But the Bible doesn’t teach this. Jesus died for SIN. If healing were in the atonement, we should not even be getting headaches.

  6. I do feel badly that so many, many people fall for these false teachers.

    So many people do not want to take the responsibility for their spiritual wisdom. They expect to get it from television or even local pastors and teachers. A saint needs to spend time in the Word of God for themselves to know what the Word teaches. You have to have sound Biblical understanding in order to know who is sound teaching and who is not so we can avoid false teachings.

    So many do not take the responsibility for their own spiritual growth. They expect it to come through Word faith dribble of naming and claiming promises that God did not promise in His Word. They are searching for healing, but it’s not genuine healing.

    Sometimes it’s difficult to trust in the medical profession because of so many stories of malpractice and improper diagnosis. But if we trust in the Lord, He will lead us to sound doctors who can heal us through surgery and the necessary time of recovery. We cannot always name and claim healing. It’s not that God cannot work miracles, but God will not be mocked at these false healing services!

  7. Firstly I must say once again, this is the best Chrisitan blogspace I have come across, so much so, it is now linked to mine so that readers can look at the excellent and sensible discussions that take place on it. Although, the path I take differs from you now. The goal is the same, to expose these evil people.

    I was in a AOG conference in 1989 when I met a veteran evangelist. Classic old school he was. During our brief conversation he said “Do you know what the most dangerous thing around is?” to which I replied “no”. “The devil with a bible in his hand” he replied, with a frown on his face. He must of seen what was coming.

    At first the answer shook me. For starters I was a little new to all this but years later I begin to understand.

    These men and women are making money out of this scam. They rely on the influence they have over their brainwashed folowers and what ever they tell them is fact in their minds.

    If I am honest, Chrisitanity is in a mess, just as predicted in certain NT letters. It is not so much the “new age” teaching that is said to have come into the church (I beleive I have a reason for that after much research, but I dont think that you will like the answer), it is the decption, the lies and corruption of these people, it makes me ill thinking about it.

  8. I agree with what has been said here but i wanted to add that Jesus still heals people today.
    And that we should not be scared into not praying for people anymore because of things like these happening.

    I have seen myself true miracles and heard of verifyable true miracles that happend because of fellow christian’s that prayed in het wonderfull name of Jesus.
    I believe it is very good to preach the gospel, but i also believe we should follow in the footsteps of Jesus and the apostles and to pray for the sick if they want that.
    If you do so you should be carefull not to give false hope end never proclaim someone is healed (you are not a doctor!) but you should believe that Jesus can do this and pray for that person.

    Our God is sovereign and can do what he wants.
    So pray people in Jesus name and leave the rest to Him.

  9. Thank you for sharing, but let me just warn that this happens in so called fundemental baptist churches as well.

    I witnessed this first hand, the pastor brought into the church the man who created The Hallelujah Diet…many jumped on the band wagon, some became sick and others died while thinking they would be cured from their cancer and lives would be spared if they lived out The Hallelujah Diet.

    In this same church everyone was running scared on Y2K…same pastor encouraged people to buy wheat mills to make their own bread, store up tons of food and water…many did because of what one man said.

    We have since left that church and that pastor has since moved on…can only imagine what his new flock is falling for!

  10. Thanks for the article. My home fellowship is acutely aware of the increasing numbers of false teachers — being so close to a few here in Houston. Together we often share God’s word when pointing out and discussing the “Flavor of the Day” faith healers who have a complete lack of biblical understanding. We joke (only joke) about wanting to apply the O.T. biblical method of punishment to those found to be FALSE — that being, death. Seems to us that it would be a pretty good deterrent for sheep fleecers.

  11. I know a lot of the Word of Faith movement is seriously screwed up. But, don’t throw the baby out with the bath water.

    I grew up Pentecostal/Charismatic/Word of Faith and I still am. We don’t believe in denying the diagnosis. Going around saying “I do not have a cold” when your coughing and sneezing your head off is ridiculous. What we deny is the prognosis. ie “you have six months to live.” Neither do we forsake medical treatment. God’s healing can come trough medicine and doctors because God made made medicines. Doctors just discovered them. So we follow our doctors orders and we pray over our treatments/medicines just like we pray over our food. While we continue with our doctors orders, we don’t throw out the possibility of supernatural healing either. So we pray, and we call for the elders of the church to lay hands on us and pray just as the Bible says to do. And my pastor will tell you not to go around saying you’re healed and stop taking your medicine until you’ve seen your doctor and he can confirm it.

    The true Word of faith movement is still grounded in scripture and wisdom. But every sect has it’s kooks and charlatans. The Charismatic ones are just a little more noticeable than the rest.

    oh, and by the way, as far as I and any other charismatic I know is concerned, Bentley wasn’t even a Christian. Yes, a lot of people of the charismatic persuasion were duped by him, but these people weren’t grounded in scripture. If they had, they would have seen straight through his charade as I and everyone I know did. Unfortunately, people like Bentley and the poor ignorant fools who follow him give the rest of us Charismatics a bad name.

  12. Becky
    Has anyone you know been healed?

    I wonder about this statement you made, ‘So we pray, and we call for the elders of the church to lay hands on us and pray just as the Bible says to do. And my pastor will tell you not to go around saying you’re healed and stop taking your medicine until you’ve seen your doctor and he can confirm it.’ What about this verse from scripture, ‘But let him ask in faith, with no doubting, for he who doubts is like a wave of the sea driven and tossed by the wind. For let not that man suppose that he will receive anything from the Lord; [he is] a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways.’ James 1:6-8
    I have no doubts about the Lord’s power to heal. Whenever Christ healed, it was instantaneous. You seem to be saying you hope someone is healed, in other words, it is a ‘wait and see’ type of healing. That’s not how our Lord did it, according to scripture. Again, let us go to His word, ‘Then Jesus said to the centurion, “Go your way; and as you have believed, [so] let it be done for you.” And his servant was healed that same hour.” Mat. 8:13
    “Then Jesus answered and said to her, “O woman, great [is] your faith! Let it be to you as you desire.” And her daughter was healed from that very hour.” Mat. 15:28
    “And Jesus rebuked the demon, and it came out of him; and the child was cured from that very hour.” Mat. 17:18
    “Then he inquired of them the hour when he got better. And they said to him, “Yesterday at the seventh hour the fever left him.” So the father knew that [it was] at the same hour in which Jesus said to him, “Your son lives.” And he himself believed, and his whole household. John 4:52, 53
    So we see from scripture the power of Christ to heal was instantaneous, NOT ‘wait and see’.
    I do believe it to be the same this day, just as it was in Christ’s day. May we not stray from His word; may we continually search the scriptures for truth.
    God bless

  13. I was in the Word of Faith movement for way too long. The problem lies in their interpretation of scripture regarding the death, burial, & resurrection of Jesus Christ.
    Word of Faith Teachers believe Jesus died, went to hell for three days & beat up the devil, then rose again a “Born-Again” man. This is not scriptural.
    “today you will be with me in Paradise” said Jesus to the dying thief while on the cross. Biblically, satan isn’t even in hell & won’t be until after the thousand yr. reign. There belief of what happened to Jesus after He died on the cross is wrong.
    “A little leaven, leaveneth the whole lump”. We MUST maintain Biblical accuracy, their are too many false teachers already out there. And, we must do this no matter what movement or who is teaching.
    Word of Faith is an unscriptural movement and needs to be examined under the light of The Gospel of Jesus Christ and Him Crucified.
    Read Romans 6, 7, & 8. And when you finished, read it again, and again, and again……

  14. It causes me to tremble at the judgment that is coming for these false teachers and scam artists! These people are blinded by money and fame and they are dragging a great number of followers with them down the slippery slope.

  15. Hi all Iknow god heals! He healed me of a brain tumor! A long story. God sent my family a natural path. Watching bentley i didn’t like it espically hitting some woman’s stomach to prove she was well. Ya I know if it’s his will to heal we shouln’t give false hope too i know to well what that is like to be told ur healed if u give more of ur money. I thought jesus said the faith of a mustard seed i see no and a filled out check. God is good and is love.!

  16. What I would love to see is, someone or somebodies get their cameras and attend these conferences and record the wheelchair section. Show how many came in in a wheelchair and how many left walking. If possible get their names and addresses for follow ups.

    Then post the video on you tube.

    It is way past the time to dog these phonies until the blind see them for what they are.

    Do we have any among us that can do this?

  17. Count me as one more Christian who formerly attended Pentecostal churches but is now a Baptist.
    In answer to darklight above: Christianity is not in a mess, though I understand where you are coming from. The church is just fine; God is in charge.
    Some Christians are ‘in a mess’, messing around with paganized false beliefs…but God extends Grace to His children, and will lead them out of error, as He has done for so many of us already. He’s very good at separating the wheat from the chaff. It may take the Rapture to get some of our brothers and sisters out of those churches, but it will happen.

  18. I am a Pentecostal preacher who utterly rejects the blasphemous sacrilege taking place in our churches today.So much so that I will not watch TBN or any other such trash again.
    I have preached for over 30 years that I would not walk across the street to hear Benny Hinn,Hagan,Copeland etc… and I stand by those remarks to this day.Same goes for any of the rest of these wolves in sheeps clothing.
    What I cannot fathom is how otherwise sensible people can so easily throw themselves at the feet of these hirelings.Are we so unfounded in the Word that we cannot distinguish truth from lie?
    My heart cries for the church of Jesus Christ and what it has become.Surely Hs heart must be broken at the thought that this is what He died for!Just give me Jesus.I do not wish to align myself with anyone that twists and distorts the simple truths of God’s Word.
    Instead of running to the latest “outpouring”why don’t we see God’s people running to the hospital or nursing home to minister to the sick and dying?
    Just give me Jesus.He’s what this world needs.More than ever before.

  19. good article, i have written much on my blog about this subject. God bless, John

  20. Are you suggesting that miracles no longer occur or simply that they aren’t occurring with the help of these charlatans?

    If you DO believe in present-day miracles, can you cite an example? If you don’t believe in present-day miracles, can you show where in Scripture it states that miracles would cease at the culmination of the canon?

  21. anybody ever hear that old joke about the guy on his roof during a flood, and a boat came by and he told them “I don’t need you, God is going to save me”, the another boat, and a plane, and he told them all the same thing, “God is going to save me”. the flood carries him off and he drowns. when he gets to heaven he asks God, “what happened? I though You would save me?” and God replied, “I sent you two boats and a plane”. I remembered this when I read your story about your aunt and her hip. Good reputable doctors should not be ignored when our health is in danger.

  22. The true church, those who are truly born of God is NOT a mess. It’s the organizational “things” that call themselves “church”, but are mostly sanctified social clubs or entertainment centers for “unchurched” which never made sense to me.

    The problem with any segment of “Christendom” whether it be pentecostal, fundamental, or whatever other terminology is the lack of sound Biblical knowledge from personal experience. So many are so slothful in their “spirituality” and the lack of dedication and passion for what they believe in. They don’t know who God is, much less who Jesus and the Holy Spirit are, they don’t have any foundation on which to believe. They just go to “church” for whatever reasons I’m not certain. BUt they don’t know anything of any depth. They don’t even have an interest in Bible studies. I don’t know how many churches I had visited or attended and they did NOT have a Ladie’s Bible study, and if they did, it was only in the AM and for working women, they needed something for the evenings. It was like pulling teeth to stir some nominal interest. It was to the point that I said to the Lord, I don’t know what else to do. I’ve prayed, we’ve tried but to no avail. People want their spirituality handed to them in junk food morsels that are dribbled here and there, some from TV and some from pathetic books, while others attend local clown assemblies with little spirituality, and more entertainment.

    It’s so sad that because of the high number of bad examples of false teachers/preachers and “movements” that many who are seeking God are finding total jokes and not really finding Him. But there are people who gather in homes because of the famine in the land and the growing number of churches going bad, or new churches coming that are bad to begin with.

    The state of affairs for the organizational “Christianity” that covers all of the bad stuff, is growing more and more. So you have to know your Bible ever more now.

    Spend more time with God’s Word and less of the world. You can find the time if you truly make it a priority.

    So many people are falling for these wolves because they lack discernment because they are not knowledgable of God’s Word.

  23. The problem is, a vast majority of “Christians” don’t want to read the bible. They think that the lessons learned from the bible(for living a good moral life) can be learned by watching movies and it is alot easier to watch and do nothing for an hour than to read the bible(It’d take what? Half a year to finish it?). People just don’t think there is anything to gain from it anymore. As if we can be good Christians without it.

    I was talking to a friend recently, I encouraged him to read it, he said it would be boring but that he would “try”. I have no idea what he did now. I have no idea how to convince anyone to read it, they just have no real motivation. Unfortunately, that may have been part of end-times plan… To entertain a generation with the world and to grow a generation that loves to be entertained.

  24. I have just finished reading the first two gospels and I noticed how Jesus’ ministry differed from so many “healing” ministries today. The differences I found was when Jesus traveled to a new city He did not send an entourage to advertise and hype it up. When He did heal alot of times He said “tell no one”. He always gave glory to God. Not once did I read that He received anything in return for a miracle. We all must learn to be as the Bereans. If it doesn’t line up with the Word of God stay away from it.

  25. Thank You so much for posting this. The turth needs to get out there, but for those who don’t want to hear it falls on deaf ears.
    None the less we are called to speak and live TRUTH. It’s the first time i am visiting your site, found the link through sliceoflaodicea looking forward to reading more posts you have written!

    May God Bless you!!!

  26. Eli,

    The very same story came to my mind.

    {{{ s i g h }}}

    Lord, have mercy on us all.

  27. [...] Slaughter of the Sheep blog carries news that two of those who were declared ‘healed’ by false prophet, Todd Bentley, have now died.  [...]

  28. I was in deeply involved in the whole Charismatic/Pentecostal movement for 38years which gives me a right to express my views. I say without reserve that it is all deception of the greatest degree. Deception is being deceived and not knowing it …and I was. I travelled the world with an International ministry and was recognised as a ‘prophet’. Then one day I began to see things which didn’t line up with scripture and the more I looked the more bizarre it all became.I cried out to God saying that I only wanted His Truth regardless of the price I would have to pay. Well all I can say is that I have been on the greatest journey I have ever travelled! The cost has been huge, the emotional pain great and the loss of ‘friends’ almost surreal. BUT I would never want to trade it for anything. I now know that God is a Holy God and those ‘powers’ which I played around with were not from Him, the voice I thought was His was nothing but seducing spirits drawing me further and further into clairvoyancy and the ‘language’ I spent hours wasting, in what I thought was a special kind of prayer was no different than what the pagans used to their gods in ancient times and cults still use. As I began to do some serious Bible study and listen to some good Bible teachers I could see that it only takes a little bit of leaven to leaven the whole loaf. Error has totally overtaken most churches and people have fallen for it because they haven’t studied the Truth, they have wanted experiences…just like I did……..We are warned time and time again in the Bible NOT to be deceived and also that the devil comes disguised as an angel of light. Can you imagine how he would look as an angel of light…..just like the real thing! And thousands are falling for it ….hook line and sinker.
    Jesus did many signs and wonders, cast out demons, healed the sick and raised the dead because He was the Son of God and it was done as a sign to the Jews that the Messiah had come….as it had been prophesied.The Jews refused to believe and we, the Gentiles were adopted into God’s family! The apostles and others at that time were annointed with special powers because they were responsible (along with the prophets) for building the foundation of the church. (Jesus is the cornerstone) We only have one foundation and we are the building blocks.
    That’s very brief but in a nutshell. I will forever be grateful that I have been rescued from the lies and deception I once believed in. I am happy to corrospond with anyone who wants to talk about this.

  29. thanks for your responses to my comment.

    sorry but the church is in a mess.

    it is in a state of civil war, all the sides claiming to be right.

    one thing is for sure…the time of the beast is coming fast. there are things going on that point to that big time. i don’t have the time for arguments. the fact is there is a fight to fight here.

    a house divided cannot stand, it is said. jsut be vary careful that you are all not conned into settling the differences for the sake of unity and end up being a part of a world religion.

    beleive me it is very easily done. all this talk of dominionism which is coming out of the NAR is giving me the creeps, i know, i used to preach it myself..what a fool!!

    another word of advice…in the day of battle you will be surprised who you will be standing with you and who won’t

  30. To Yvonne-May God continue to Bless you. My small Baptist church has quite a few ‘former Pentecostals’ as members-we used to worship together at the AG church, and now God has brought us together again.
    Don’t ever give up on your friends-pray that God will show them what you’ve learned.

  31. I wonder where it says in the bible to go to a building and pay a guy to stand up and tell me things I should have learned in kindergarten. “Be nice! Don’t lie! Share!” We got soooo fed up with a baptist church only to hear the same thing from an AoG church. TEACH ME SOMETHNG! We asked and they said we could start or go to a bible study and learn or study the bible on our own. So that’s what we did. My wife and I took our very large tithe our volunteer time and left! I cannot fathom a pastor living on the sheeps income anymore. Get a job! What did Paul do? He was a tent maker and he did not burden his flock, and actually gave out of his extra to those in need. He didn’t wine about paying self-employment taxes or how crappy his health insurance was or that the church would only pay for his cell phone and not his entire families. I’ve found that since becoming a christian at the age of 29 that I know more about the correct interpretation than people who claim to be christians all their lives. It makes me ill, that they are more worldly, when I have fought and taught my family to be in the world and not of it. Here’s some food for thought. How much should we tithe? Jesus told the young man to sell EVERYTHING and follow him, so do we tithe 100%? He said if we have to clokes to give one to someone who is of need. Do we tithe 50%, or go back to the bible and read about the 10%, which actually comes out to 30% when you read further into what those who gave actually were told to give. We attend a Calvary Chapel, which seems to be the closest thing to what I can read as teaching the whole counsel of God. It’s verse to verse chapter to chapter starting and ending in the same book. Is it boring? Quite the opposite, I cannot get enough. The pastor has a full time job outside the Sunday sermon, and they have a Wednsday bible study that is similar, but interactive, a Sat. morning prayer meeting and. When he decides that he’s too good to work and wants to live off of his flock we’ll leave. He’s a good man, but that is all he is… a man. Ps. 118, vs 8!

  32. While I am greatly troubled by those who fleece the flock of God for sordid gain in order to heap riches upon their fleshly lusts, I will not go so far as to say that those who preach the gospel should not get any compensation. Yes, Paul did make tents because he told the church that while he had the right to be supported, he chose not to exercise that right so as not to hinder the gospel of Jesus Christ. Read 1 Corinthians, chapter 9. It will make clear that if ministers preach the gospel, they should make their living from the gospel, and have a right to do so.

    Here’s just a snippet, but please take time to read the rest:

    1 Cor. 9:7-18:

    7 Who at any time serves as a soldier at his own expense? Who plants a vineyard, and does not eat the fruit of it? Or who tends a flock and does not use the milk of the flock?
    8 I am not speaking these things according to human judgment, am I? Or does not the Law also say these things?
    9 For it is written in the Law of Moses, “YOU SHALL NOT MUZZLE THE OX WHILE HE IS THRESHING.” God is not concerned about oxen, is He?
    10 Or is He speaking altogether for our sake? Yes, for our sake it was written, because the plowman ought to plow in hope, and the thresher to thresh in hope of sharing the crops.
    11 If we sowed spiritual things in you, is it too much if we should reap material things from you?
    12 If others share the right over you, do we not more? Nevertheless, we did not use this right, but we endure all things, that we may cause no hindrance to the gospel of Christ.
    13 Do you not know that those who perform sacred services eat the food of the temple, and those who attend regularly to the altar have their share with the altar?
    14 So also the Lord directed those who proclaim the gospel to get their living from the gospel.
    15 But I have used none of these things. And I am not writing these things that it may be done so in my case; for it would be better for me to die than have any man make my boast an empty one.
    16 For if I preach the gospel, I have nothing to boast of, for I am under compulsion; for woe is me if I do not preach the gospel.
    17 For if I do this voluntarily, I have a reward; but if against my will, I have a stewardship entrusted to me.
    18 What then is my reward? That, when I preach the gospel, I may offer the gospel without charge, so as not to make full use of my right in the gospel.

  33. Thanks Doug. We do pray for them! Isn’t it amazing how truth divides? They seem to talk a completely different language from us and I am not talking ‘heavenly’ language….. as we probably do to them. I mean we never even considered the scriptures about ‘the elect’ or being ‘preordained’ I never knew what it was like to totally know that God was in control….after all …it was me in control!….me who ordered the Holy Spirit to do this and that. What absolute disrespect to a Holy and sovereign God. But hey…I used to do all that and now understand because I have been on both sides….so yes I will continue to pray that they too will come to know the truth and truth will set them free. Thanks for your encouragement.

  34. God bless you Yvonne!

    As a child (under the age of 10), my baby sitter was Pentecostal, and so she took me and my brother to church with her for nearly 2 years. I remember how restraining it was, I was told that if I didn’t dress appropriately (by their standards) then I would go to hell. I was told that the only sign that I was saved was to speak in tongues, and I would get the “holy ghost”. I was told that once I sinned, then the “holy ghost” was gone and I had to start all over again. And the list goes on. Once she was no longer my baby sitter, I was out of that church, and I’m so greateful. It is amazing the different interpretations of scripture (that is so clear, and so easy to understand) that are out there. And not only that, how “men of God” twist scripture to control their flock. This same church i was in, also told a young married couple that before they had children, they should come and discuss it with him and he would pray about it and let them know what God had to say. They subsequently left the congregation.

  35. lyn:
    Yes as a matter of fact I have seen people miraculously and instantaneously healed in our services. I’ve seen people who couldn’t walk start walking, people who who were sick truly not sick anymore and people who the doctors gave a death sentence to still alive and healthy as a horse today.

    And I have also been miraculously and instantaneously healed on more than one occasion (from different maladies). Infact, my very existence is a miracle in itself. My parents were told by the doctors they would never have another child (this was after my older brother was born). My parents prayed for 8 years for another baby.

    One night at a concert, Vestal Goodman, who’s gone on to be with Jesus, prophesied that there was a woman in the crowd who was told she would never have another child, but that woman was going to have a baby before the year was over. My mother believed that it was her and claimed that prophecy for herself. On December 31st of that year, I was born.

    Perhaps I didn’t say what I meant quite right when I said “And my pastor will tell you not to go around saying you’re healed and stop taking your medicine until you’ve seen your doctor and he can confirm it.”

    Of course, you should claim your healing and believe without a doubt that you are healed. No it’s not a wait and see thing, but WISDOM says to see your doctor to confirm it before you go of medications that your life may depend on as the people in this article did.

    Has every person I’ve seen in the altar for healing been healed right then? No. Many were healed later. eg Cancer patients. They may not have been healed in that service, they may have had to keep doing their chemo, but eventually, the doctors came and said, “we can’t see the tumors anymore.” And years later, they’re still cancer free. Who’s to say that it was not God who healed them?

  36. Becky~ you state, ‘Has every person I’ve seen in the altar for healing been healed right then? No. Many were healed later. eg Cancer patients. They may not have been healed in that service, they may have had to keep doing their chemo, but eventually, the doctors came and said, “we can’t see the tumors anymore.” And years later, they’re still cancer free. Who’s to say that it was not God who healed them?’
    This is in direct opposition with God’s word. Christ healed ‘on the spot’. If chemo has shrunk their cancer, then it was the medication that temporarily stopped the growth of the cancer cells. My own mother had cancer. She went for treatment. There was a brief time when the tumor was shrunk to a near non-existent stage. This is NOT called a ‘healing’, it is called ‘remission’. ALL cancer patients are considered to be in this stage for a length of time {several years] before they are declared ‘cancer free’. Again, I reiterate, if God heals you, it will be instantaneous, not a drawn out process. This is what scripture teaches, and we are to ALWAYS let God’s word be our ‘guideline’.

    Again, there is no doubt the Lord heals. The healing/miracles Christ performed while on earth served a purpose; they solidified His claim of being the Son of God, ‘But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.’ John 10:38
    As for someone prophesying about a birth, that was more ‘chance’ than a word coming from the Lord. Why wasn’t your mother singled out as the woman to whom this prophecy was directed? This is what is wrong with the charismatic pentecostal movement. They shout out some prophecy, not directed at any one particular person, then if and when something happens, they claim the Lord has fulfilled the foretold ‘prophecy’.
    As for your birth being a miracle, it could be said that every birth is a miracle. The true miracle is the birth God brings about, being born again.
    I encourage you to review this wonderful teaching by Dr. John MacArthur entitled ‘Charismatic Chaos’ found here… http://www.gty.org/Resources/Sermon+Series/219

  37. Came across this blog via a link from a friend on Facdbook. Just to say that I think there is a lot of distortion of the Word and kingdom principles by many in the Word of Faith movement, and an unbalanced emphasis.

    Nevertheless, what gave my walk with the Lord a mighty kickstart was when, 7 months after giving my life to the Lord, my sister-in-law was miraculously healed of multiple sclerosis. The specialist had given her less than a year to live. However, her minister had revelation during a retreat some time before that the Lord was going to heal her, and she was prayed for by the elders at an old Presbyterian church, privately, between services. No hype, but the Lord moved in power – the fire of the Holy Spirit went through her body. She got so hot that her husband took his hand off her as a reflex action. Her healing manifested after she was taken home. She is alive and well today, 18 years later.

    Later, my other sister-in-law, who’d had one brush with cancer, was told it had reappeared. I went out on a limb in faith praying for her and felt a total spiritual klutz when she died some 6 weeks later, only to discover that 2 other people who’d prayed for her had felt she wouldn’t be healed. She had received the Lord during her illness, which is the most important thing. I asked a more mature believer about all this and she told me that Jesus rebuked people when they lacked faith, so I believe we are to have faith for healing, but to let the Lord be sovereign.

    My own son, who was gluten intolerant, was prayed for at the end of a church service. Our pastor was preaching a series on God’s promises, and that day was on healing. My son (who’d pretty much given up hope after being prayed for many times before) felt nothing, the pastor felt nothing(!), but some weeks later(!) my son inadvertently ate something with gluten in it and had no reaction, whereas a couple of months earlier he was hyper-sensitive when he had something with a “gluten land-mine”.

    Definitely, the Lord still heals, but the big problem in the church is a lack of wisdom and discernment, an inadequate knowledge of God’s Word and a poor understanding of Biblical doctrine, then this is combined with “feel-good” messages that tickle people’s ears, resulting in “carnal” unregenerate believers who end up getting burned when things don’t work out.

    I’ve learned the hard way that faith grows through testing!

  38. I had a friend who “claimed” his healing of a serious illness numerous times over a period of years. Yet, he continued with treatments and medications, which included carrying an oxygen bottle everywhere he went.

    I tried to reason with him, but he chose instead to listen to Benny Hinn, Kenneth Copeland, and other falsies out there.

    My friend died last year.

    When Jesus Christ healed the crippled, sick, and dying, they didn’t need medical assistance, or a doctor’s examination and approval, or continued medications, or physical therapy. They weren’t told that their true “healing” would come soon, nor were they told they would “lose” their healing.

    When Jesus healed someone they were made “whole.”

    When the Apostles used their gift of healing through the power of God, there were no excuses, no gimmicks, and no deception. The sick and dying were immediately healed and made whole.

    And as with Jesus and His apostles, the dead were raised.

    By the way, how many times have we heard the falsies on TV say, “I see a woman with a back problem who is being healed right now. All you have to do is claim it” ???

    So, while every woman with a back problem watching that day claims her healing, they fail to realize that the falsie called out only one woman–out of untold thousands of viewers.

    It’s best to stick with Jesus and His apostles, and the examples of true healings as set forth in God’s written word.. They had results, not excuses.

    Bud Press

  39. lyn:
    Of course I don’t deny the Scriptures and that Jesus healed instantaneously. But if you were terminally ill and were cured by treatments, would you honestly give NO thanks to God? Was it the treatment alone that cured you or was it God causing the treatment to cure you? Plenty of people undergo surgeries and treatments that are supposed to make them better and yet, they die. Can a medicine alone make one better if God is not involved?

    You mentioned that “This is NOT called a ‘healing’, it is called ‘remission’. ALL cancer patients are considered to be in this stage for a length of time {several years] before they are declared ‘cancer free’.”

    And you’re right. Remission is not a healing, but if you go back and read what I said again, you’ll see that I was speaking of people who have gone past the remission stage and have been declared ‘cancer free’ by their doctors.

    As for being in opposition to the Word, where does it say that God can only heal instantaneously as Jesus did in the New Testament? Just because that’s how we see Jesus choosing to doing it, doesn’t mean God can’t operate any other way.

    Furthermore, what about the blind man who Jesus told to go wash out the mud Jesus put in his eyes in the pool of Silom? What about the blind man whos eyes Jesus spat in and said ” I see men walking about as trees” before Jesus touched him again and he saw clearly? And what about Naaman being told by the prophet of God to bathe himself, not once, but seven times in the Jordan river? These were not instantaneous healings.

    As for the prophecy and the miracle of my birth, how can you call something ‘chance’ that was a 100% impossibility? And since when did Christians start believing in chance, anyway? There is no such thing. Yes, all life is a miracle, and the greatest miracle of all is salvation. But that isn’t the point. Let’s give God credit where credit is do. My birth wasn’t like that of most others. Mine was a medical impossibility. I’m not saying that I’m special or anything. Whatever purpose God had in answering my parents prayers past honoring their faith and fulfilling the desires of their hearts, I don’t know. What I do know is that as far as medical science is concerned, I “shouldn’t” be here.

  40. Becky
    It is apparent from scripture Christ healed alone, not with the help of medicine, or man. When you say healings come through medicine, you go beyond what is written. Modern medicine has extended life expectancy in some cases. Modern medicine does not have the power to heal terminal illness; for example, aids, lung cancer, pancreatic cancer, etc. These terminal diseases still cost the person diagnosed with such their life. Chemo and radiation are used to slow the progression of cancer, as in the case of my mother. But, these types of treatment are no cure. You give credit for healing, but the disease you speak of, was it a terminal diagnosis to begin with? I worked with a gentleman who was declared ‘cancer free’ several years ago. Two years ago, he died…from cancer.

    As for your birth, I was puzzled by your claim that Vestal Goodman called out the ‘prophecy’ of your birth, yet, she NEVER spoke directly to your mother. She gave a generalized ‘prophecy’, which increases the possibility of it coming true. How many women were in the audience at the time she prophesied? How many of those same women may have given birth, just like your mother?

    Let me just re-emphasize what Bud Press had to say….
    When Jesus Christ healed the crippled, sick, and dying, they didn’t need medical assistance, or a doctor’s examination and approval, or continued medications, or physical therapy. They weren’t told that their true “healing” would come soon, nor were they told they would “lose” their healing.

    When Jesus healed someone they were made “whole.”

    When the Apostles used their gift of healing through the power of God, there were no excuses, no gimmicks, and no deception. The sick and dying were immediately healed and made whole.

    And as with Jesus and His apostles, the dead were raised.

    By the way, how many times have we heard the falsies on TV say, “I see a woman with a back problem who is being healed right now. All you have to do is claim it” ???

    So, while every woman with a back problem watching that day claims her healing, they fail to realize that the falsie called out only one woman–out of untold thousands of viewers.’

    With all due respect, You are going beyond what is written when you claim people who are declared cancer free {which ONLY happens after they’ve gone through years of testing with no sign of cancer} are ‘healed’. You deny Christ’s power and authority to heal completely at once.

    Again, I encourage you to review this wonderful teaching by Dr. John MacArthur entitled ‘Charismatic Chaos’ found here… http://www.gty.org/Resources/Sermon+Series/219
    May God be merciful, may He open the eyes of all who are caught in the charismatic chaos.

  41. Here is a truly inspirational story of a woman who is dying. She has cancer…no claims of healing, but instead, a story of hope. Please watch the video or listen to the audio and see how the Lord truly works in a sin-cursed world where pain, suffering, and death are a part of life…even for the Christian.
    http://deathisnotdying.com/eventvideo/

  42. Yvonne…

    Your testimony in “nutshell” is the story of my life – almost to a “T”. The only good that came out of the so-called “Lakeland Outpouring” was that God used that whole experience to open my eyes and bring me out of deception. I too have spent over 30 years as a Charismatic/Pentacostal, was deeply involved in the prophetic, and considered the “prophetess” within my church, etc.

    I’d love to talk with you, Yvonne, sometime. Hopefully we can correspond.

    I thank God for His Grace and Mercy. I could have NEVER come out of this darkness on my own!!!!


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